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DomKen -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 9:17:21 AM)

No enlistment runs 20 in one cotract. 2, 4, 6 years are the standards I've seen. although a single 2 years active contract usually entails a bunch of reserve commitment and now adays why bother?

So now Joanus is some sort of special ops expert. Unfortunately he doesn't know the first thing about the US military in Iraq. We haven't had a soldier MIA for even 1 month that was an unidentified victim of a car bomb.

I've now seen you make outrageous claim after outrageous claim that you provide no support for. There is a four letter word for people that do that.




joanus -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 9:19:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

joanus,

I don't really want to embarrass another Kentuckian, but ... really, joanus ... I've got a hard time crediting this entire story of your visit to Iraq.

Firm



Please do not insult me. While I may live in this backwards infested Heehaw convetion I am by no means a "Kentuckian". I live here but I'm not from here. For example I have pride, ambition, an education, and I don't mind working for a living, when employmeny permits, personally I'd rather kill myself than live like most of the people here. I also don't employ such words as ain't, worsh, ya'll and Git-r-done, now if you'll excuse me im going to gargle with comet so as to get the taste of those words out of my mouth.




DomKen -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 9:32:22 AM)

So now you're insulting people.

Here's the thing about your latest lie, US forces in Iraq aren't suffering many KIA's and virtually no MIA's and no long term MIA's. There aren't large quantities of unidentified corpses around. US forces have DNA samples taken so that there will never be another inknown soldier. If a soldier was MIA and a corpse showed up in a morgue with a medical apparatus that said missing soldier also had you can be sure the body would have been taken by US forces and tested. Before you claim the metal whatever, that you supposedly looked at to identify the young man but aren't sure if it was a rod or something else, wasn't known to the US military why are you portraying the father as a bumpkin? If a soldier really was MIA the military would have sent someone out to talk to the parents and that conversation would have included if the man had any such identifying characteristics. Althougg actually as a metal device it would have set off metal detectors and would have been known to the military since he would have needed to clear a detector to board a military flight for the ME.

Grow up. Stop telling lies.




joanus -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 9:35:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

No enlistment runs 20 in one cotract. 2, 4, 6 years are the standards I've seen. although a single 2 years active contract usually entails a bunch of reserve commitment and now adays why bother?

So now Joanus is some sort of special ops expert. Unfortunately he doesn't know the first thing about the US military in Iraq. We haven't had a soldier MIA for even 1 month that was an unidentified victim of a car bomb.



Actually I think you can get 20 and 22 year contracts but im not 100% on that. I'm pretty sure that on carrer day the recruter guy said something like that, but that was a while ago and all I really remember was the guy telling me I couldn't enlist because of my dual nationality.
No I am not a speical ops expert. My grandfather was contracted to train the JSDF back in the 70s and 80s and when he raised me I did get the same type training, which I'm pretty sure would have counted as child abuse..... Anywho that contankerous old man did teach me basic military identafacation knowledge, including how to ID a soldier by equipment, uniform tactics and movements. The basic point is yeah I do have some training and am probably more formatable than your average civilian and one on one I could handle basic soldiers but I doubt I could take on a team of trained Navy Seals.

As for his status I wasn't given spacifics just a picture a name and  plane ticket. All I knew was he was missing and his parent wanted to knnow want had happened, farly commen.




SuzanneKneeling -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 9:49:03 AM)

I don't blame the soldier who didn't know about Knight-Ridder. Most Americans have no clue that 99% of their news comes from five different news conglomerates. Which goes a fair way toward explaining how we ended up in Iraq when the AIPAC-connected power brokers decided we should go in, evidence against WMDs be damned. Most Americans also don't know that most of their radio stations are owned by Clear Channel, the ultra-conservative, pro-war company with numerous connections to the Bushes.

"Knight-Ridder" is usually only listed in small print in the bylines of articles, in any case.

Service members mainly get a steady diet of Fox and rightwing radio to keep them thinking that Saddam got us good on 9/11 and that he was allied with Al Qaeda. Sad that we have to keep lying to these brave and well-meaning Americans to keep them devoted to their difficult mission.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

The wide-ranging poll also shows that 58% of those serving in country say the U.S. mission in Iraq is clear in their minds, while 42% said it is either somewhat or very unclear to them, that they have no understanding of it at all, or are unsure. While 85% said the U.S. mission is mainly “to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the 9-11 attacks,” 77% said they also believe the main or a major reason for the war was “to stop Saddam from protecting al Qaeda in Iraq.”




TreasureKY -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:08:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joanus

...I'm pretty sure that on carrer day the recruter guy said something like that, but that was a while ago and all I really remember was the guy telling me I couldn't enlist because of my dual nationality.


Interesting.  My understanding is that you don't even need to be a citizen of the US to join the US military.  Of course, if you are a citizen of a country considered hostile to the interests of the US, you might need a waiver.




FirmhandKY -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:13:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joanus

... I am by no means a "Kentuckian". I live here but I'm not from here...

Thank Gawd.  I'm glad we cleared that up.

I's shore glad t' knowed ya ain't from my home state.

Ya'll jus' donna now how happy dat make me.  [:D]

Firm




joanus -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:13:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: joanus

...I'm pretty sure that on carrer day the recruter guy said something like that, but that was a while ago and all I really remember was the guy telling me I couldn't enlist because of my dual nationality.


Interesting.  My understanding is that you don't even need to be a citizen of the US to join the US military.  Of course, if you are a citizen of a country considered hostile to the interests of the US, you might need a waiver.



No Im pretty sure you have to be a US citizen to join up, I'll check on that. Last I check the only hostial act the Japanese did was start building the motors for John Deere mowers.
The reason they dont let dual citizens join is in case of war the soldier isn't tempted to switch sides or go moe for a forgien country.




FirmhandKY -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:18:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: joanus

...I'm pretty sure that on carrer day the recruter guy said something like that, but that was a while ago and all I really remember was the guy telling me I couldn't enlist because of my dual nationality.


Interesting.  My understanding is that you don't even need to be a citizen of the US to join the US military.  Of course, if you are a citizen of a country considered hostile to the interests of the US, you might need a waiver.


My oldest (as you know) - who is currently serving in Iraq - has dual citizenship.

The recruiter thought it was neat.

Also, I'm surprised about there being any "20 year" enlistments.  Must be something new, as well.  [:D]

Just think ... some people who joined the military without that option had to actually work, get promoted and stay current in order to get a 20 year retirement.

Firm




TreasureKY -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:19:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joanus

No Im pretty sure you have to be a US citizen to join up, I'll check on that.


If it makes it any easier for you, you can just click on the Department of Defense link I provided in my post.  [;)]

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I's shore glad t' knowed ya ain't from my home state.

Ya'll jus' donna now how happy dat make me. 


*swoons*   You know your soft southern accent just melts me.  [:D]




joanus -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:20:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

My oldest (as you know) - who is currently serving in Iraq - has dual citizenship.

Firm


I guess it depends on the country then. What country is his citizenship.




Alumbrado -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:21:48 AM)

Dual citizenship might affect the ability to get a higher clearance, but the US military has been taking enlistees from other countries for a long time.




joanus -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:23:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I's shore glad t' knowed ya ain't from my home state.

Ya'll jus' donna now how happy dat make me. 


*swoons*   You know your soft southern accent just melts me.  [:D]



His southern accent (aka lack of english skills) makes me want to stab my self in the ears with Costello's bass bow. He doesn't so much as speak the language as he chews on it the spits it out.




FirmhandKY -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:27:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joanus

No Im pretty sure you have to be a US citizen to join up, I'll check on that. Last I check the only hostial act the Japanese did was start building the motors for John Deere mowers.
The reason they dont let dual citizens join is in case of war the soldier isn't tempted to switch sides or go moe for a forgien country.


First service, then citizenship
Military gives immigrants a fast, if not easy, ticket in

Saturday, June 3, 2006

By MIKE BARBER
P-I REPORTER


FORT LEWIS -- At 13, Cesar Aguilar came to the U.S. from Mexico, where he had worked in the fields picking produce since he was 5.

He crossed the border illegally, joining millions of undocumented immigrants.

On Friday, Pvt. Cesar Aguilar, 24, a U.S. Army infantryman who could soon be deployed in Iraq, took the oath of allegiance to become a U.S. citizen.

In between the years of hardship, hard work and sheer endurance in the face of prejudice and obstacles, Aguilar has fought to be part of a country he would die for.

"I'll be honored to go over to Iraq or anywhere to defend this country," Aguilar, a husband and father of two, said before taking the oath of allegiance at Fort Lewis' Evergreen Theater. "This country has given me a lot."

Aguilar, who will be promoted to private first class on July 7, joined 23 other active-duty Stryker Brigade soldiers and 15 Army spouses from 20 countries who had sworn to defend the U.S. before they could hold a passport, serve on a jury or vote.

They join a growing number of men and women in uniform whose military service put them on the fast track to citizenship. At a time when the nation debates immigration, amnesty and citizenship, thousands of soldiers, sailors, Marines, Coast Guardsmen and airmen are signing up while still holding green cards.

Some become citizens after they have already seen combat, and some after dying for their adopted country.

Active-duty servicemen and women from all branches, as well as certain components of the National Guard and reserves, can move to the front of the line for U.S. citizenship under an executive order that President Bush signed July 3, 2002.

The order allows those serving on or after Sept. 11, 2001, to immediately file for citizenship. They once had to complete a year of honorable service before qualifying to file.

It takes about six months once someone in the military files for citizenship to have it granted. They pay no fees. Any children they have under age 18 who are legal residents automatically become citizens when their mothers or fathers do.

The spouses of men and women in the service who become citizens don't automatically become citizens, but they are immediately eligible to apply for naturalization.

By contrast, a typical legal resident must wait five years after getting a green card to become eligible for citizenship. It costs about $400 in fees.

Both those in the service and civilians must be able to show their ability to speak English and pass a test about civics and U.S. history.

Expedited Citizenship for Military Personnel

President Bush has signed a bill to expedite citizenship for foreign-born members of the military. Fees will also be waived for these candidates. Text of the press release from the USCIS:

Members of the U.S. Armed Forces may apply for citizenship under special provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). Generally, that includes service in one of the following brances of the U.S. military:

- Army - Navy - Marine Corps - Air Force - Coast Guard
- Certain Reserve components of the National Guard
- Selected Reserve of the Ready Reserve

Recent changes in section 328 and 329 of the INA make it easier for qualified military personnel to become U.S. citizens. In addition, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) has created a streamlined process specifically for military personnel serving on active-duty status or recently discharged. As of October 1, 2004, members of the U.S. Armed Forces do not pay a fee when filing for citizenship.

To date, more than 18,000 service members have applied for expedited naturalization. USCIS has helped nearly 9,000 of

Firm




mnottertail -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:31:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Dual citizenship might affect the ability to get a higher clearance, but the US military has been taking enlistees from other countries for a long time.


That is fact right there, now (ex-recruiter, long time ago).....dual citizenship is probably of no matter to the government......I believe you can not hold a dual citizenship where one is the US under our law, so if you hold a Polish and Lithuanian by example, pick one and that is what you are, you can wear our greens and body bags.......no prob.




joanus -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:34:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Dual citizenship might affect the ability to get a higher clearance, but the US military has been taking enlistees from other countries for a long time.


That is fact right there, now (ex-recruiter, long time ago).....dual citizenship is probably of no matter to the government......I believe you can not hold a dual citizenship where one is the US under our law, so if you hold a Polish and Lithuanian by example, pick one and that is what you are, you can wear our greens and body bags.......no prob.


Well then maybe I got a racist recruiter anywho I dont care as he did me a favor and I'm not dead. I like my Dual Nationallity cause I can do all sorts of fun things with it.




FirmhandKY -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:38:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joanus

His southern accent (aka lack of english skills) makes me want to stab my self in the ears with Costello's bass bow. He doesn't so much as speak the language as he chews on it the spits it out.


Not very culturally sensitive now, are you?

I speak at least three languages fluently.  One of them is Southern American.

My recommendation to you would be to return to the place that you like so much ... where-ever that is, as long as it away from my lovely home state.

Or, if you plan on staying, perhaps you might try getting to know the people and culture, rather than just pouring out bad stereotypes.

And, after reading your profile, CM blog/journal, and various posts here in the forums, I wouldn't be too quick to talk trash about anyone else's English skills.

Firm




Alumbrado -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:47:10 AM)

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Well then maybe I got a racist recruiter


20 year enlistments, no foreigners, and now keeping out minorities during a time of increasing quotas?  You've never been anywhere near the US military.




TreasureKY -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:48:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joanus

His southern accent (aka lack of english skills) makes me want to stab my self in the ears with Costello's bass bow. He doesn't so much as speak the language as he chews on it the spits it out.


Considering I actually know FirmhandKY (lol... okay, I belong to him), I'm well aware of his refined and urbane linguistic skills.  I'm also aware of his advanced education, enterprising nature, and enduring work ethic.  Of course, I didn't know these things when I first spoke with this native Kentuckian... thankfully when I grew up I learned that it is wise to be open and not arbitrarily judge people by prejudicial stereotypes.

It's a trick you might try learning.  [;)]




joanus -> RE: An example of why our military loves the press .... (10/25/2007 10:50:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: joanus

His southern accent (aka lack of english skills) makes me want to stab my self in the ears with Costello's bass bow. He doesn't so much as speak the language as he chews on it the spits it out.


Not very culturally sensitive now, are you?

I speak at least three languages fluently.  One of them is Southern American.

My recommendation to you would be to return to the place that you like so much ... where-ever that is, as long as it away from my lovely home state.

Or, if you plan on staying, perhaps you might try getting to know the people and culture, rather than just pouring out bad stereotypes.

And, after reading your profile, CM blog/journal, and various posts here in the forums, I wouldn't be too quick to talk trash about anyone else's English skills.

Firm



First of all I speak two langauges Nihon and English Nihon being my first, and am currently studying a third, Chinese which will encompas both Cantonese and Manderian.

As for your culture ,if you can call booze, welfare and Jerry Springer culture, I stepped in that pile of dog crap 18 years ago and Im still scraping it off my shoes.

Finally since English is my second language no I don't speak it perfectly but I speak it a hell of a lot better than rednecks. Also This my friend is the internet no one give a hot freak rats rump about how they spell, the only reason you do is cause like most you run your stuff through a spell checker, which for you info is listed in part of the html when you post, so its an easy shot to make. When you can actually walk the walk then you can take shots at people.




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