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375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 8:47:47 AM   
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A Southern California couple is facing criminal charges after allegedly being caught with 375 pounds of “bathtub” cheese at an open-air market in San Bernardino County, the California Department of Food and Agriculture says.

The illegal soft cheese products are known to cause serious illness such as listeria, salmonella or E. coli.

Floribel Hernandez Cuenca, 29, and Manuel Martin Sanchez Garrido, 44, of Montclair, were arrested for selling a variety of unlicensed cheeses to the public. Ms. Cuenca was also arrested on felony cheese making charges.

The 375 pounds of seized illegal cheese included panela, queso fresco and queso oxaca varieties, the CDFA says. It was a significant find, the department says.

“Illegally produced is cheese is serious threat to public health,” says CDFA Secretary A.G. Kawamura.

Unlicensed products may carry a bigger price tag than consumers expect: the risk of severe illness, the state says.

Infants, the elderly and those with weakened immune systems are the most susceptible. Expectant mothers should be especially guarded, as the listeria organism can cause miscarriages.
 
http://www.centralvalleybusinesstimes.com/stories/001/?ID=6794

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 8:53:46 AM   
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Only in America can food be a crime.

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 8:58:36 AM   
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It probally has toe lint in it.

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 9:01:48 AM   
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It probally has toe lint in it.


Sure why not all the good french cheese has toe lint.

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 9:03:25 AM   
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"felony cheese making charges"

That sounds like it came out of an article from The Onion.   Will there be follow-up charges like felony possession of cheesecloth with the intent to strain?

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 9:05:07 AM   
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If I knew what was in food- I probaly wouldnt eat much. Pumpkin pies were on sale marked down to $1. After Jan 2nd they are out of style.

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 9:09:50 AM   
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quote:

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"felony cheese making charges"

That sounds like it came out of an article from The Onion.   Will there be follow-up charges like felony possession of cheesecloth with the intent to strain?

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I understand a re-straining order is already in place.  Cheese it, Fellas!!!! The Cops!!!!

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 9:18:38 AM   
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Only in America could they ban the world's best cheeses as a WMD. You can't blame someone for wanting to introduce gastronomic delights into the American eating culture.

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 9:28:29 AM   
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Our food culture sucks. All you can eat buffets are like a cow trogh.  Food on the floor everywhere.  Then we have most every food is unsofisticated. The one time I had food poisened from shrimp cocktail- i wouldnt eat anything but fresh fruits and nuts. It was weeks before i had meat. When I took it back the store was inconvenienced. Gag me!

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 9:51:08 AM   
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Just try to sell raw milk. They'll bring a SWAT team.

Radical in the afternoon.

I have an immune system, I haven't had an antibiotic in twenty years. Nothing, no vaccines, no nothing. Bring on the illegal cheese.

And if people die eating it, the rest of us can enjoy the space they used to take up. At least that's the way it used to work.

I think in years to come, there will be diseases that affect many, possibly kill them. But some will survive. Think typhoid Mary here. I'm sorry if that translates that some of my friends even should be dead. But modern medicine has been fucking with natural selection for quite some time now. Nature is going to fight back. When you forestall a catastrophe like this, you only invite a bigger one later. Look at MRSA for example. That is nature's response. Nature is winning. Nature always wins.

I submit that if they had used different methods to fight staph infections in the past, MRSA might not even exist today. You hear about it time and ytime again, new AB resistant strains of bacteria and virii. We are the problem. The human immune system is so weakened by not having to do anyuthing that we fall to any microbe that isn't on some sort of list. And microbes evolve.

And cheese has everything to do with microbes. Y'know, for the first ten years of my life I would not eat cheese. I dunno if that has any importance, but it may have affected me somehow. After that I was appalled by canned goods. I thought if it didn't need to be in the fridge it isn't any good. Probably kept me away from alot of sodium.

I believe that we have deteriorated. While nature responds to medicine with new diseases, our immune systems are laying dormant, because of treatment. And people's thinking. Must be clean, must be clean, must be clean. Then you get sick when you see dirt. The Earth's crust is made of dirt. It is where you came from.

Y'know Pasteur recanted his theories shortly before his death. That reminds me to go look for that.

Damn, I just popped up with a theory. I'll be back.

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 10:00:06 AM   
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-- my tatse buds came back since i chug water. many people are dehydrated- and thus sickly.
The inventor of the nuke decried his work too. We all die at some point. Some will die this year- others will live to 2040. The main thing is- can you wipe your backside. Can you get thru the day.

When the titanic sunk- the band played till the very end. S00 we need band music!

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 10:00:26 AM   
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This is basically about pasteurization and whether or not that's a good idea or even a health benefit. More details would be needed to offer a meaningful opinion. Phrases like "bathtub cheese" don't inspire confidence in the cleanliness of the manufacturing process. Then again, if all that is meant by the phrase is that the cheese was "homemade" or "raw milk" cheese then it's possible we need to consider some exceptions to the codified standards for hobby cheeses.

Hard one to call.

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 10:01:42 AM   
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I have to say most american food is rather discusting. But it is quick and some of it tastes good.

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 10:07:25 AM   
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By raw milk, do you mean any milk that doesn't say pasturized and homoginized on the carton? Years ago (before I knew any better) I bought a gallon of milk at ALDI and my bf at the time got pretty sick from drinking it. Since then, I've seen cottage cheese on store shelves that isn't pasturized as well as cartons of eggs with no expiration date. Scary.

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 11:07:40 AM   
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The changes to the USDA regulation for producing milk products back in the 1960s are designed to put small dairies and creameries out of business.  Hey, they might compete with Archer, Daniels, Midland, Inc.

You can make cheese at home, but you can't sell it.  You would have to have a separate building, lined in stainless steel or sealed concrete.  You have to sterilize with strong bleach every 4 hours and steam clean every 24 hours.  It has to be climate controlled to keep the milk products below 34 degrees Fahrenheit at all times. 

Personally, I would prefer to buy the small produceer stuff as long as I knew it was produced in a "home kitchen" and was willing to accept the risk of their being sane in their sanitation.

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 11:32:01 AM   
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By raw milk, do you mean any milk that doesn't say pasturized and homoginized on the carton? Years ago (before I knew any better) I bought a gallon of milk at ALDI and my bf at the time got pretty sick from drinking it. Since then, I've seen cottage cheese on store shelves that isn't pasturized as well as cartons of eggs with no expiration date. Scary.


I got curdled milk at Adlis. I should have brought it back for a refund- which they do.  Thier chease is good.

Aldis is a no frills grocer where you bag your own groceries. It has off brands but a 100% guarantee. They are in several countries.  The savings adds up- you get alot for the money there. [but] domt buy the milk- ditto for many of the frozen stuff.

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 11:42:48 AM   
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Large companies don't make good cheese, its a fact, you just have to taste the plastic they produce. The small producers don't have to worry about a sloppy, disgruntled, underpaid workforce, their cheese is their art. Anyone who has enjoyed the delights of French cheese know the passion that is invested in it. British cheese is going through a renaisance at the moment with small milk producers refusing to sell their milk at a loss to large companies and making their own cheese with it. The lack of pasteurisation is not an issue if hygeine is up to standard. Government inspections could enforce those but it is not in the interest of small producers to have lax standards. France has a 139 different cheeses and I'm doing my best to try them all and I've never had a problem and I've had some cheese from many a small farm. I suspect Me4chtech is right, banning non-pasteurised products has more to do with killing off small producers for the benefit of the big.

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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 12:08:47 PM   
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There was an outbreak of tainted homemade cheese in North Carolina in 2000-2001.

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All 12 patients were Hispanic; 11 were women with a median age of 21 years (range: 18-38 years), and one was a 70-year-old immunocompromised man. All but one infection were laboratory confirmed. The 11 women did not speak English, were born in Mexico, and had resided in the United States for a median of 2 years (range: 0-5 years). One had traveled outside Forsyth County during the month preceding illness. Ten women were pregnant, and infection with L. monocytogenes resulted in five stillbirths, three premature deliveries, and two infected newborns. The 11th woman was 5 months postpartum when she presented to a local hospital with meningitis caused by L. monocytogenes. She had no preexisting medical conditions. The male patient, who presented with a brain abscess, was receiving corticosteroid therapy after brain tumor surgery. On hospital admission, the 11 women reported symptoms that included fever (nine), chills (nine), headache (nine), abdominal cramps (five), stiff neck (five), vomiting (three), and photo phobia (two)."      http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0906/is_26_50/ai_76937428

To say there is no risk buying this stuff is simply not true.  Unless you subscribe to the "good it will kill all the weak philosphy." 

From a disturbingly deranged view point, it is mostly mexican immigrants eating this stuff, and mexican Fetuses being killed.

It is not difficult to get liscened as a food making operation, and 1 or inspections a year is not a bad idea.  As well a paper trail in case something goes wrong.  If you are selling it, it is not a hobby.

To sum it up reputable craft cheese is great stuff.  Buying unliscened cheese from someones truck is bad idea, and borders on Criminal if pregnant.


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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 12:14:40 PM   
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Maybe yes, maybe no...

Legally yes, but there are plenty of factories that are inspected by the usda and in fact have USDA inspectors on site at all times, but that don't mean by a damn sight that that rat turds dont show up in the lettuce and have to be recalled from several states, nor does it mean that infected hamburger and poultry isn't dumped into the food supply pretty often.

So.......you are risky taking the bathtub options where little Conchita was floating turds last night while playing in the Mister Bubble.

The mom and pop farmers markets have flourished.



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RE: 375 pounds of illegal cheese seized - 10/29/2007 12:54:17 PM   
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Has any one bothered to ask....
why did they call it BATH TUB cheese?
Do you want to eat something made in some ones bath tub?

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