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electric collars - 10/30/2007 3:00:48 PM

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I have been put in a locking dog collar before that gave me a painful shock when I tried to go out of their house. can a person be locked into a room with these things? Does anyone else have these or were made to waer them? I would like to know.

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 5:31:41 PM

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I have thought about using these, but I was curious about the safety? Anyone know about this?

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 6:01:16 PM

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I have thought about using these, but I was curious about the safety? Anyone know about this?

Well, the guideline is that you shouldn't use electricity above the waist. It can interfere with heart function. But, many ignore that.

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 7:12:44 PM

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i would think it safe. after all these collars are meant for dogs and i think a human heart would be better able to deal with the shock than a dogs heart. this all my opinion though.

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 7:23:09 PM

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As a Dom, I haven't had any experience with electric collars, but I did do a bit of research in them. They're basically called an "invisible fence" system. They come with a collar with a reciever and a few base stations that have transmitters in them, that you set about your yard. The collar recieves a signal above a certain strength and nothing happens. If the signal drops below a certain level, the collar starts pulsing 'zaps', below a second level, and the collar really gets to work until the animal returns close enough for the signal to get stronger. You can draw your own conclusions on how to make best use of that. However, I should mention that these collars were designed for animals, so there is SOME safety considerations, FOR the animal, that is, NOT humans. Most dogs have fur and a thicker skin around the neck, this is not true of humans. That being the case, you could end up with muscle spasms in the neck, a pinched nerve caused by trauma to the neck bones caused by a jumping muscle to pull it out of alignment. Damage to the nerves TO those muscles, spark burns on the skin where the contacts are on the collar (the contacts are sharp points, not pads) They're not tuned for use on humans. Perhaps some one with some experience with electronics can expand on this.

As for safety, "nothing above the waist" is a common sense rule of thumb. And a good one too.

Electricity will always follow the path of least resistance, similar to the rule of water always finds it's own level. Metal in general has low resistance to electricity, so you can predict with near certainty where it will go in the presence of metal. But, skin in general, and we'll use human skin for now, has a higher resistance to electricity. It will still conduct electricity, though, depending on a lot of factors, like sweat, having just taken a bath, been working in the metal shop, etc. Pretty unpredictable, never mind what's under the skin. Electricity just might decide it would be easier to travel under the skin than through or over it, if there's enough current involved. (Think TENS) However, I do know there are some erotic devices made to induce sensations on the skin, such as the anus or genitals, so some one has given this some serious thought. So, unless you are absolutely certain, meaning trust your life on it certain, stick to the rule of thumb. :)

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 7:33:54 PM

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Believe it's 8 or so miliamps across the chest that will flatline someone. Not sure about the neck, but it does not sound particularly safe to me. I would say ask a medical doctor if you're not antsy about doing so.

Also while inventive those kinds of collars suffer from a fairly predictable flaw anyways, for anyone that uses them for an actual pet by the way. In experimentation with them when I lived in Kentucky. I had a dog (australian shepard, she was possibly the cutest little thing on the planet) and lived in a fairly rural area. Due to being fairly close to a major road, and shepards loving to run, as well as to her being a puppy, I was fairly concerned about her safety running around outdoors. I tried one of those as a temporary fix so I could train her without a leash, and also without having to chase her all over the neighborhood. After a day of watching her in the yard with it I quickly realized she was sitting close to the barrier. It was one of the kind with a "warning zone" that makes a noise when they get too close. She managed to run the batteries down in the collar. Though I hear they make a kind for larger dogs now, that does not suffer from this problem.

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 7:42:46 PM

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Believe it's 8 or so miliamps across the chest that will flatline someone. Not sure about the neck, but it does not sound particularly safe to me. I would say ask a medical doctor if you're not antsy about doing so.

I think it best to simply leave these out of my toy bag. Thanks for the responses.

Oh, and I sort of hijacked the thread. My apologies to the OP.

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 7:43:21 PM

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They really need to develop safe for humans, if the dog ones aren't. Woo...this is hot!

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 7:44:49 PM

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It does sound like a pretty entertaining and viable market doesn't it? Quality control and safety issues aside.

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 7:47:01 PM

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I once saw in an electrical engineering lab a sign which said, "Remember, even 1 milliamp can kill."

I am unsure which voltage / amperage combinations will kill whom, but it is best to err on the side of caution. Remember that Tasers where designed to be nonlethal, yet there have been many deaths from their use.

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 7:49:01 PM

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Just like any thing else moderation,I have used them on dogs horses and slaves..they work well...bounty

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 8:02:47 PM

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I once saw in an electrical engineering lab a sign which said, "Remember, even 1 milliamp can kill."

I am unsure which voltage / amperage combinations will kill whom, but it is best to err on the side of caution. Remember that Tasers where designed to be nonlethal, yet there have been many deaths from their use.

Voltage can do absolutely nothing to a human being, except cause all of your hair to stand up, without the amp. You can stand in a million volts and nothing happens other than a bad hair day. Go to the Boston Museum of Science where you can do just that; stand in one million volts. Add an amp and become a chicken fried steak. Voltage is simply static electricity and a million volts means a lot of static but it is just that, static as in unmoving. A current must undulate to cause problems and that is where the amp, an undulating current comes into play.

On the other side of this, should one require electricity in the form of a collar to keep or controll a slave then said slave isn't a slave. All I have to do is look and I can guarantee you that mine feels plenty of electricity and not always the good sort! I am also highly medically/science trained and have for years on these boards been warning against the messing of electricity with people. I won't even touch a tens unit because you know what? Someone could have an electrical or heart problem that they themselves are not even aware of. Fire I will play with and love it but electricity no way as there are simply too many variables to mess with.

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 8:09:12 PM

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Long story short: don't.

Law enforcement has wanted these kinds of things for a long time. Reviews show that they have discharged in error more often than they have discharged on purpose. And that's with equipment that's supposedly manufactured to a medical standard, not discharged through the neck at all. If anyone is considering the neck, read up on the vagus nerve. I'd suggest putting a collar around the thigh or somesuch instead, if one absolutely wants to use one.

Apart from that, I'll leave the rest to natural selection.

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 8:18:53 PM

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I raise dogs and I can tell you that a Shock collar can harm a juman if not used correctly.
I have trained 220# Neo Mastiffs with these devices and the collar is "above" the waist.

These r used to correct and not used to punish or abuse

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 8:26:58 PM

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At the risk of being a 'know-it-all'... Oh what the hell! I'll embrace it! :)
Here's the Wikipedia entry for electric shock, it also includes issues involving the heart;

Wikipedia: Electric Shock

It's true, btw; less than 1mA could kill.
As for a TENS? If my memory serves me, the output is about 0.5 mA at it's strongest, but the voltage is about 15,000 or so.
Pacemaker patients have to be careful regardless of the voltage, even static electricity can fry the electronics. Hard casing, but delicate circuitry.

Okay, I'll put my mortarboard away for now. :)

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 8:36:34 PM

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If around the thigh it won't be dangerous, about the neck is very dangerous. Remember dogs have fur and people don't.

However it's not at all uncommon for dogs to accept the shock in order to get out of the yard if they want to badly enough, but they won't risk it to come back in. Don't know if that's directly translatable to people, but it might be.

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 8:40:24 PM

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Shock collars today come with many setting to change the intensity levels.Like in many things we all do things that we aren't supposed to do,I haven't kill a single dog or horse mum on the humans ....

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 11:07:52 PM

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Voltage and current are inversely proportional.

It helps if you think of electricity like water - it follows the path of least resistance. Voltage would then be the size of the flow, Current would be the rate of flow, and Resistance is the size of the pipe. V = IR.

As you can undertand, being caught in fast flowing water, of a small stream, is more dangerous than standing in slow flowing water of a larger stream. However, a smaller slow stream is also less dangerous than the larger. Try and force the same amount of water down a smaller pipe and you increase the rate of flow (current).

The danger here, however, isn't from the current at all - it's from disruption of your brains control of your heart inducing filbrilation and tachycardia.

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RE: electric collars - 10/30/2007 11:46:42 PM

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I have often thought about a stun belt:
http://www.forcegroup.co.za/scape_stunbelt.htm

, which would be triggered by the invisible fence, to keep someone (me) confined to a particular area.

Kevin

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RE: electric collars - 10/31/2007 12:01:27 AM

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I have thought about using these

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