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MystressDream -> RE: Eroupen Lifestyle (11/13/2007 9:10:10 AM)
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ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne
Dusty
When I was living in the States, I met at least one Grande Domme who claimed to "have been trained in Europe, darling".
She had a toffy New England accent and waved her hands around in what she no doubt assumed was very "European" manner
It doesn't surprise me that this lady thinks describing her style as "European" sounds somehow more glamorous than "American", "Australian" or "English"
It is the lady in question's BDSM fantasy. Please don't deflate her by saying "I asked on the net and there's no such thing as your so-called European Lifestyle!! You are deluded!!"
She is far from the only person on the net with a delightful imagination and a loose grip on reality [;)]
Instead, let her keeping making it up as she goes and pretend to be impressed. At least her imaginary "lifestyle" isn't from another planet! Count yourself lucky, dusty [:)]
Wow.... from these last few posts, you would think anyone who loves and ascribes to protocol is a "snob" and "living in a fantasy world". (Rather amusing when you think about how much fantasy plays into what we do)
I will NOT get into a posting war over this, however, I will take the word of the Doms we have in this area about what their M/s, D/s or BDSM lives were like as they spent a good portion of their lives in their respective areas of Europe. The high protocol events in Vienna, for example, are not the casual play parties in the dungeons. They are very formal and very beautiful.
I am not impressed with people who have just visited a few dungeons or parties in different countries, spouting off that what these people who grew up there are teaching is all fake.
I don't see a damn thing wrong with using protocol. It is beautiful to watch a slave serve a Master/Mistress using medium to high protocol. I have had the pleasure of attending a couple of high protocol dinners and throroughly enjoyed that level of service.
Contrary to what has been said here, there ARE different styles of protocol.... and there are some that are used in the higher levels of the communities in different parts of the world. Instead of being so judgemental of those who use it.... and making fun of them for it... just say it's not your "thing" and leave others to do what they enjoy. Isn't that what this is all about? Diversity, Ladies.... Don't tell a sub that his prospective Mistress is a fake and living in a fantasy world just because she enjoys and requires protocols that you think are stupid.
While most of the original Old Guard are long gone, those men trained others in their form of the lifestyle... and those trained younger men they brought in... and on, and on, and on... and the Old Guard traditions and formalities have been passed down through time. Are they the "original" Old Guard? Of course not. But, to say "nobody can be Old Guard because all of those gay men are dead" is really not true.
If "delightful imaginations" indicate we have a "loose grip on reality", then we are all a bunch of nuts. I would rather believe we are enlightened about the lifestyle we choose to lead and have the imagination to adapt it to whatever it is that we truely enjoy.
I know the Doms who are teaching the classes here and have known them for years. They are not fake. They have just grown in this lifestyle in different parts of the world, and have taken it to a level that most are not interested in. Does that make them better? No. But, does it make them fake? Again, no.
We don't know.... It is possible this woman used the terms Victorian and Old Guard because they have some similarities and she thought he could relate to them? I won't judge her based on that. I won't judge her at all, without the opportunity to sit down and talk to her about it.
I love protocol. If that makes me fake and living in a fantasy world in your eyes, so be it. Frankly, it won't slow me down, or dampen my interest in it for one minute.
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