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whisperjade -> DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/8/2005 4:28:15 PM)

this has never been even close to an issue with other Doms that Master and i have included in Our play until now.

As many do, i use the terms “red” “yellow” and “green” to indicate my tolerance level during play with other Doms which is always agreed upon before the encounter actually occurs. i, indeed, have a safe word but have never needed to use it until now and now only because the Dom (him not being my Master) did not respect my using “red” to indicate that the current activity he was inflicting upon me was to stop, immediately, and to change to something else.

i won’t go into details about the other things he did that angered me out of respect for him but the lack of his respecting my using the “red” term is imperative.
What i got back from him was a reprimand that i “need to use more yellows” before he wants to hear me say “red”. When i used the “yellow” term to indicate that i may be approaching “red”, i then was admonished for using “too many yellows” and made to feel as if i was “not up to par” for him. So, i stopped using any words at all regardless of the pain i was experiencing. Finally, when i could not and did not want this activity to continue and used “red” in my sheer exasperation, he says to me that he did not hear “yellow” from me before i yelled out “red” which then resulted in me yelling at him that the activity was going to stop right then and there. i finally became even more angry with him when he still didn’t get it, that i yelled out my safe word just so he would finally understand that this activity was to cease – NOW!

Rather than spewing out a whole bunch of angry statements and profanity as i did not want to seem like a disrespectful submissive, i immediately placed myself in the bathroom until he left.

Feedback on this situation is most welcome. [:@]




dominmd -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/8/2005 4:43:37 PM)

To me you did nothing wrong. It is the Dom who must respect the safeword no matter what. I would not play with that person again, ever. The trust would be gone.

It does not matter what HE believes should have happened. The thing that matters is when YOU use a safeword.




angelthighhighs -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/8/2005 4:48:22 PM)

you are more polite than i would have been....considering he wasn't my Master but that my Master ALLOWED him the right to play with me and he then disrespected my Master and myself by not taking better care of my Master's propert......i would have reached over grabbed him by the balls and squeezed hard and ask him if he understood that if he didn't stop he would be losing them.




Craftsman -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/8/2005 5:08:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: whisperjade
this has never been even close to an issue with other Doms that Master and i have included in Our play until now.

That it has not been close to an issue with other Doms indicates to me that this is not a normal situation, but one that needs to be addressed, and you are addressing it.
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As many do, i use the terms “red” “yellow” and “green” to indicate my tolerance level during play with other Doms which is always agreed upon before the encounter actually occurs. i, indeed, have a safe word but have never needed to use it until now and now only because the Dom (him not being my Master) did not respect my using “red” to indicate that the current activity he was inflicting upon me was to stop, immediately, and to change to something else.

I'm a little concerned that the color code that you use was not heeded. This situation is, pardon the pun, a red flag. While it is within the fantasized 'right' of the Dom to push the limits, it is also within the Dom's responsibility to understand what the sub means and what the sub is saying when using this kind of communication. It is irresponsible to play with anyone one is not the primary and long term Dom for, while not knowing what the needs and limits are. For example, I would never flog a diabetic as hard, especially on the feet if that were the 'play of the day', because of increased vulnerability. Also, I know a very good sub who will yell "Red" anwhere on her back between the base of the ribcage well past the tailbone, simply because she has had spinal surgery and it hurts like hell to be caressed, let alone tormented or punished in that area.
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i won’t go into details about the other things he did that angered me out of respect for him but the lack of his respecting my using the “red” term is imperative.
What i got back from him was a reprimand that i “need to use more yellows” before he wants to hear me say “red”. When i used the “yellow” term to indicate that i may be approaching “red”, i then was admonished for using “too many yellows” and made to feel as if i was “not up to par” for him. So, i stopped using any words at all regardless of the pain i was experiencing. Finally, when i could not and did not want this activity to continue and used “red” in my sheer exasperation, he says to me that he did not hear “yellow” from me before i yelled out “red” which then resulted in me yelling at him that the activity was going to stop right then and there. i finally became even more angry with him when he still didn’t get it, that i yelled out my safe word just so he would finally understand that this activity was to cease – NOW!

Ask that 'Dom' how many times he was told by a sub that he was Dom material. I suppose, to carry his ideas to their logical conclusion, he would need 'x' number of "I love you" statements to qualify a "Let's explore your fantasy." Then it would take 'y' number of of "Let's explore" to qualify the meaning of one 'Yes Sir" How many "Yes Sir" statements does he need before he can accept "Yes, Master"? See how stupid and rediculous quantifying like that gets? I know, I know -- I'm preaching to the choir here.
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Rather than spewing out a whole bunch of angry statements and profanity as i did not want to seem like a disrespectful submissive, i immediately placed myself in the bathroom until he left.

That was in my opinion a good move on your part. Bathrooms have doors that have locks. Some so-called Doms don't respect those, but for them there are other means to secure the door and / or safety. I would suggest politely asking the wanna-be---- ummmm--- Pretending Horribly Offensive Nauseating Egotistical Yokel (Make aconym of that?!?) -- Ummm --- Dom to depart the premises, and to not let the moveable portion of the portal impact his Gluteus Maximus on his way out.
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Feedback on this situation is most welcome. [:@]

Please remember that this feedback is written from the top of my head, and may offend some. It is how I feel having read your post. If I have mis-interpreted, then accept my apology and tell me where I read it wrong.

For any flamers out there... I am a Professional Nurse and a Volunteer Firefighter. I know how to treat burns as well as put out fires.





imtempting -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/8/2005 5:18:29 PM)

I think the dominant was an idiot. I hope your dominant speaks to him and tells him where to go




sub4hire -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/8/2005 5:54:07 PM)

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To me you did nothing wrong. It is the Dom who must respect the safeword no matter what. I would not play with that person again, ever. The trust would be gone.

It does not matter what HE believes should have happened. The thing that matters is when YOU use a safeword.


I totally agree with the above statement. When communication breaks down, and you are doing all you can to communicate it certainly is not your issue.

The only difference I would have had is we would have played and he would have been the bottom.
I'm not a switch in any form until I'm angered.




MadameDahlia -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/8/2005 5:57:06 PM)

Yup. Definitely an idiot. Doesn't sound safe to me...

I liken the "too many yellows" to a vanilla "if you loved me you'd sleep with me" sort of situation... it's all about guilt. I can't say this is what was going through his head. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't.

But to me - as it stands after reading what you wrote - he seems as though he was trying to use guilt in order to back you into a corner.




dominmd -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/8/2005 7:31:21 PM)

I'll be honest once again. The guy was a prick. And not only that he is most likely the kind of guy that would refer to rape as "lay back and enjoy the ride". First I would bitch slap him, them put his dick in a vise.

Sorry, but I have no tolerance for this type of "man".




SweetDommes -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/8/2005 7:38:40 PM)

If I were your Dominant, I'm afraid that guy and I would have to have a nice, long, private chat in a dark alley with a baseball bat and some surgical equipment for after he was unconcious.

You were well within your rights with everything that you did. The only thing I would have done differently was grab the phone to call your Dominant and the police if the guy did not leave IMMEDIATELY. It's that kind of asshole that gives BDSMers a bad rap.




imtempting -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/8/2005 7:53:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

If I were your Dominant, I'm afraid that guy and I would have to have a nice, long, private chat in a dark alley with a baseball bat and some surgical equipment for after he was unconcious.



I thought the same but did not want people to think im violent...




subversiveone -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/8/2005 8:10:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: whisperjade

Finally, when i could not and did not want this activity to continue and used “red” in my sheer exasperation, he says to me that he did not hear “yellow” from me before i yelled out “red” which then resulted in me yelling at him that the activity was going to stop right then and there. i finally became even more angry with him when he still didn’t get it, that i yelled out my safe word just so he would finally understand that this activity was to cease – NOW!



Just playing devil's advocate...
Where was Master?
You sound as if you wanted to stop waay before this final straw was broken. You yellowed repeatedly before your exasperation and he didn't take you seriously. Personally, if someone disrespects my yellows, they don't get a chance to make it all the way to red. That's just me though, and i mean you NO DISRESPECT. I would encourage other subs to take it very seriously if a Dom doesn't hear your yellows and questions, even in the slightest, a red.




IronBear -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/8/2005 9:53:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dominmd

To me you did nothing wrong. It is the Dom who must respect the safeword no matter what. I would not play with that person again, ever. The trust would be gone.

It does not matter what HE believes should have happened. The thing that matters is when YOU use a safeword.


Never were truer words spoken……. Lass to my mind you were remarkably in control with your comments and I do like you taking yourself to the bathroom until the idiot left… At the risk of upsetting one or three people who don’t know me, were something like that to happen to mine, I would be having a serious conversation with this man and he would be left with no uncertainty what action I would be taking if he ever tried to touch you again. Mind you I for one would be monitoring any play with any girl of mine unless I knew the Dominant extremely well and trusted them.




whisperjade -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/9/2005 2:45:18 PM)

[sm=kiss.gif]

once again you have all proven to be some of the warmest, supportive people i have come across in all the sites i am a member on and i thank you all. i am simply blown away with the generosity, honesty and down-right "real"ness of members on this site - right from the first dom who contacted me to answer my simple question. (yup - i can be damn long-winded! LOL)

in all fairness to my own Master, He is always a quiet voyeur during encounters with new doms and He remains there for my protection during the initial stages of these encounters until the trust factor is solidly embedded.

As His strong-willed and naturally feisty submissive, He knows i will only put up with so much while always pushing my own personal limits. Hence the reason i did not put a stop to it long before and the main reason He did not interfere right away despite noticing my anger from the beginning. When the final "red" escaped my lips in hot anger, He got up immediately to ensure the encounter was over. He gave me the space and time i needed to cool off while He took a drive with him and had a very specific and indepth chat. Upon my Master's return, We had a great cuddle, soft caresses and discussed the situation.

i have also been given permission to contact this dom via email. did i want to grab him by the freakin' balls and become violent with him? damn right - no nilla guy would have gotten away with that kind of behaviour with me but my desire/need to be a proper submissive/slave and learn to control my anger/temper is great so i diplomatically apologized for my angry outburst yet told him i felt it was definitely validated and gave him the opportunity to respond and discuss with me......neither Master and i have heard a word since. am i surprised? not in the least. i am sure he would have a completely different version yet it was not his ass that was being abused.

chalk it up to my first "bad" experience.




sub4hire -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/9/2005 3:58:27 PM)

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i have also been given permission to contact this dom via email. did i want to grab him by the freakin' balls and become violent with him? damn right - no nilla guy would have gotten away with that kind of behaviour with me but my desire/need to be a proper submissive/slave and learn to control my anger/temper is great so i diplomatically apologized for my angry outburst yet told him i felt it was definitely validated and gave him the opportunity to respond and discuss with me......neither Master and i have heard a word since. am i surprised? not in the least. i am sure he would have a completely different version yet it was not his ass that was being abused.


Do you think the abuser who did not respect you learned anything? Do you think he is sorry? Will he abuse another again?

See the doormat thread?

Not trying to be critical but it is important people think before they act in this lifestyle so I ask questions to get you to think.




whisperjade -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/10/2005 4:18:15 PM)

thank you sub4hire - i appreciate your thoughts/feelings...i am the furthest thing from a doormat submissive...believe me. i was trying to get something out of this experience by pushing my own limits.....it definitely won't be tolerated again though




cbtFemDom -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/11/2005 11:09:28 AM)



When I was in Training to my Old School Master- oh so long ago I wanted to be the BEST submissive he had ever known. In my desire to be better than those who came before me allowed the scene to continue, even though I was very aware the pain being showered across my breasts was going to bruise my ivory skin and possibly cause problems in my life.
Ego is a bitch sometimes.

As was His way, after I was released from my bounds and my tears were dry we chatted about the wonderful time we just had. When he noticed my poor boobage begining to color up He became very concerened and started to apologize. Even though it was very difficult, I was Honor bound to tell him to tell him I didn't call my Safe Word, when I knew the force he was using would bruise me.

Oh boy dear readers talk about your Punishment Due. Or next Training session was near brutal, when he used his ham-hock hands to teach me a Lesson I have never forgotten. Along with the Lesson a Rule was added to my growing list and I was given an assignment. Each time we played for the next month I presented at the start of the day, one sentence, neatly handwritten 50 times:

The safeword protects my Master and His property from harm.

He was a fine man, G-d rest His soul.




MasterBenedict -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/11/2005 4:58:13 PM)

Unless it has been agreed to--IN ADVANCE, disrespecting a safeword is DEFINITELY cause for ending a scene IMMEDIATELY




MasterBenedict -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/11/2005 5:00:49 PM)

Please see my post on this very issue on 11 August '05




Mercnbeth -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/11/2005 5:10:55 PM)

After reading all the comments this thread is another reason to forgo the dependence on safe-words. Instead of not knowing the person and putting your trust in a word, better to take the time and be able to put your trust in a person. Here's another instance where it would have been much safer.




dominmd -> RE: DISRESPECTING “RED”/”STOP”/”SAFE WORD” (8/11/2005 7:01:22 PM)

Or even her Master should have been there while the play was happening?




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