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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Its called politics FB. Anyone who is suckered in by any politician's trickery has only themeselves to blame.

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Ron, I do not know why you can't use the search function correctly, And I do not really care. 

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I did post the list of reasons. 

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The text of the joint resolution was sent to Congress by bush (he actually had his people do it, thats how it works).

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Bush didn't bomb anywhere, people working for him did.  Bush didn't detain anyone, people working for him did.  Bush never wiretapped anyone, his people did.  Bush didn't send a resolution to congress, his people did. 

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This is retarded, but seems to be the best you can come up with.  A perfect example of what this thread is about.

You said this:

Bush didn't bomb anywhere, people working for him did.  Bush didn't detain anyone, people working for him did.  Bush never wiretapped anyone, his people did.  Bush didn't send a resolution to congress, his people did. 



Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Treason, constitution.
Section. 3.
Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Clause 2: The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

I agree that he has done nothing to preserve protect and defend the constitution of the united states, as you also have said.

that's two of us bud. Treason.

Ron 

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
Let's get this clear, Iraq is not free, it is in a state of chaos due to the US trying to impose its vision on the country. I am sure the Iraqis would love to be free but the US has not freed them. 2 million in exile and another 1 million displaced and who knows how many dead is not freedom. US government policy is to pressure the Iraqi government into privatizing the oil industry and the US oil companies are in line to get the lucrative contracts.(Maybe US media doesn't report this) but there have been many members of the Iraqi parliament on TV over here angry with US pressure and questioning US motives.

I didn't say my opponents were retarded, I said their thinking was retarded. We can argue about the English language if you want. How people can ignore the evidence of what has taken place, the lack of evidence supporting Bush's view and the number of people associated with Bush that have made big bucks is beyond me.

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1283765/mpage_1/tm.htm

"Freedom is in the head, not on a piece of paper that defines what freedom is. As Sartre noted, 'We (the French) were not so free as when we were occupied by the Germans.' (Think about it) " ....  Meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Sanity do you remeber where Meat (and I think it was Northern Gent) were arguing that the most freedom France ever had was under Nazi Occupation....

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
Let's get this clear, Iraq is not free, it is in a state of chaos due to the US trying to impose its vision on the country. I am sure the Iraqis would love to be free but the US has not freed them. 2 million in exile and another 1 million displaced and who knows how many dead is not freedom. US government policy is to pressure the Iraqi government into privatizing the oil industry and the US oil companies are in line to get the lucrative contracts.(Maybe US media doesn't report this) but there have been many members of the Iraqi parliament on TV over here angry with US pressure and questioning US motives.

I didn't say my opponents were retarded, I said their thinking was retarded. We can argue about the English language if you want. How people can ignore the evidence of what has taken place, the lack of evidence supporting Bush's view and the number of people associated with Bush that have made big bucks is beyond me.

Iraq is in a partial state of chaos as a result of having certain freedoms, meatcleaver. I suppose that Lucky is right, you'll probably always believe that the people of Iraq need a horribly bloody socialist dictator like Saddam Hussein in order to be truly "free".

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
If the democratically elected government of Iraq chooses to privatize their oil, so what? How is that "stealing" it. Even if the United States asked them to privatize their oil companies, it isn't the same as your earlier claim that George Bush (or America) is "stealing" Iraq's oil. Even if American companies are in line to buy some of it, your earlier claim was a hateful, emotionally charged attack and it was dishonest. The fact that you're now backing off of your (earlier) claim that we're "stealing" Iraq's oil only goes to further illustrate FHK's OP talking about hateful, emotionally charged rhetoric overtaking reason on the part of the Left these days.

Finally, it's funny how you minced your words so delicately regarding your last "retarded" statement. Speak in more of a straightforward manner about things, and you won't find yourself having to do that in the future...