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"Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/17/2007 3:00:41 PM   
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So one day MsK sends me an email from work asking..."what deepens your 'submission?'"

This was my answer....

"Well, since You wanted this in writing I figured it'd be waiting for You when You get to work.

To answer the question entirely I need to talk about the connection that I feel D/s (M/s...and I'm just gonna leave it at D/s from here on cuz I'm lazy) establishes between the persons involved. The D/s connection is the energy (power) exchange the dynamic of that exchange. The energy exchange is what happens for anyone in any kind of relationship. The dynamic of that exchange is what makes D/s relationships different.

For me that connection...tapping into that flow of energy within the dynamic... is aided by intimacy, spirituality, and humility. And I think to a degree this has to happen for the Top end of the dynamic as well as the bottom end (which is obvious). And when I talk about humility on the Top end of things I talk about humility for life. On the spiritual level. When I talk about humility on the bottom end of things I talk about humility for life and in spirituality but as well as within the relationship itself.

So what deepens my submission?...Hell of a question. And I gotta say it's what brings out submission in the first place. That connection. The deeper the Connection the deeper the submission. It's circular. The more intimate and spiritual the relationship, the more instilled humiliation, the deeper the connection.

There are different ways to get there. For me service is just one of the vehicles to establish that connection. Service isn't that connection itself. Just a way to get there. Since play doesn't always mean a display of Dominance or submission to me, it doesn't HAVE to be a way to get there. Play CAN be it doesn't have to be. Which allows me to have fun and relax and enjoy my play and the intimacy of the moment but not be wrapped up into "do I need to be protecting myself?" "Am I letting too much go?" Or anything like that.

Some types of play can get me there. There's no doubt about that. But then again it all depends on the energy of the person I'm playing with and what we're doing. For instance, the first cutting you did on me...I've had cuttings before. But with where we were in our establishment of the dynamic between us and with who you are...it meant something more. It got me THERE. In a way I hadn't really expected. And I enjoyed it far more because of that.

So is there anything specific? No...it's lots of things and the accumulation of them. Is it dependent on what You do? Not entirely. I have to be open to what You're doing and the flow of what's happening. I have to trust You. And I do. Daily humility. Expression of intimacy and spirituality. These things are important to who I am as a person. They are also the axis and center of who I am within a power dynamic.

Does that answer the question?"

I went on to ask...what triggers Your Dominance...


Well everybody now that you see me...lets see you

What deepens/triggers your Dominance/submission?
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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/17/2007 3:07:54 PM   
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wow you always seem to bring very thought-inducing threads. Cool stuff!
Okay i will try my modest best:
i think to me what is to deepen my submission is a certain sense of day-to-day intimacy, the slow "invisible", growth of confidence in one another, through just being together under all circumstances, play or not play, special event or simply a routine mundane activity...etc...
So in the end something very simple, yet very slow-building and untangible.
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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/17/2007 3:31:58 PM   
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What deepens my submissions is the calm gentle control that Aerith portrays. She is very kind and gentle when she wants to be, but she has a power and presence about her that brooks no questions or attitude. The more that she commands and shows how much she cares for me just makes me want to submit.

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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/17/2007 3:40:09 PM   
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I'm a lot like you and I react to the energy that is there. I remember when slave bruce and I first truly interacted as people. Oddly enough, I was serving along side him for the weekend as a slave at a spiritual event. he's gender queer and very much enjoys dressing up, and especially enjoys accessories. It's part of his identity. Us slaves were all sitting and joke and he made a comment that it was hard to accessorize when he was naked. Some suggested, humorously, that he tie a bit of the ribbon we had used earlier around his cock. he laughed and let it drop, but I saw he was really serious. I motioned for him to follow me. We found the ribbon and I spent a few minutes intertwining a length in his collar.

I'd gotten it worked through about three links when I felt "that shift". I had to work very hard to NOT go into Master space; I'd given my word that I wouldn't for the weekend 'cause I'd decided to be there as a slave. But, it didn’t keep us from looking each other in the eye and nodding to each other. We talked about it after...and now we're getting to know one another and considering an Ms relationship.

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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/17/2007 4:21:18 PM   
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Time and continued maintenance of the authority dynamic with the same person over time plus living together deepens my sense of ownership and thus my dominance.

Oddly it also frees me up to be more romantic and more silly and more vulnerable as well because for me it's all really a matter of trust and reliability.

So the more I know someone, more I interact with them and exercise my authority and affection, the more natural it feels to keep exercising my authority and think of the person as mine. I know for some folks it works the completely opposite way.

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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/17/2007 9:08:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Time and continued maintenance of the authority dynamic with the same person


It works same for deepening my sense of submission.  "Time and continued maintenance" is what is needed, and why the deepest forms of D/s require LTRs.

It is never any one thing, but a thousand little things about her, that make me desire to be more submissive to her.  It is built one little thing at a time.

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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/17/2007 9:17:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Time and continued maintenance of the authority dynamic with the same person over time plus living together deepens my sense of ownership and thus my dominance.

Oddly it also frees me up to be more romantic and more silly and more vulnerable as well because for me it's all really a matter of trust and reliability.


Time and continued maintenance of the dynamic work the same way for my ability to submit (and to submit more deeply). For me, as well, trust and reliability are what make it possible.

Thank you for saying that so clearly and so well.

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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/18/2007 10:52:18 AM   
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Curious BoiJen!

Hmmm. "What 'deepens' My sense of Dominance?

Actually, I'd have to rephrase that just a bit to 'What heightens My sense of Dominance?"

Lots of things.  Like MFM, the Domme in Me responds to the energy that's there.  If I'm approaced by the submissive behavior and protocol that, like Pavlov's dog, I've learned through the yearsturns Me on, then My sense and feeling of Dominance over the sub heightens and increases.

It all comes down to the senses, I guess. 

If I hear submission in his voice; see him wearing collar, cuffs, chains, bound by rope; feel him shiver at the touch of a whip or a paddle; smell his spicy cum in the air when I've already forbidden him to cum; taste tears on his face:  My sense of Dominance, a Dominant high, grows in proportion to his responses.

Emotionally, when he backs down from a point of contest or argument, and just agrees to do things as I want them done for the simple reason that I want them that way, My feelings of appreciation for his acts of submission deepen and grow stronger.

I could list many more examples but they'd all be essentially the same: whatever he says, thinks, does, in submission to Me, heightens My Dominant self and strengthens the contrasts between us.

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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/18/2007 12:54:50 PM   
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I think there are several intertwined things that deepen my sense of submission.  The most important one that I need first is a growing sense of trust before anything else can happen.  That probably occurs rather naturally as a basic friendship and attraction develops between us.  Once that's established, there's a spiraling sort of thing that happens with me where the more I begin to care about a woman the more my submission toward her deepens, and the more my submission deepens the more I find myself caring about her or "falling in love" with her. 
 
This all seems to simultaneously occur with a deepening or growing sense of trust that builds as our relationship grows.  Slowly and subtly, she's able to interject herself into dominating more aspects of my life or areas of my behavior as this spiral widens and my desire to submit to her in more ways greatly increases.  It seems to have a very natural flow and pace to it of it's own as the D/s dynamic builds between us.
 
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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/18/2007 11:49:03 PM   
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One night i was in my room.  i was just laying in bed recovering from jo(tmi i know lol)  When She came into my room to see what i was doing.  She decided to lay down in my bed next to me.  i was covered up and immediately got up to clean up.  After i finished i laid back down beside Her when she all of a sudden turned to where She was laying upside down on my bed.  i started playing with Her pussy while she still had her pants up.  She pulled Her pants down and i proceeded to pleasure Her.  All of a sudden i look up and She is motioning for me to crawl on top of Her.  When i did She wrapped Her hands around my neck and made it to where i could hardly breath.  She asked me why i stopped when She came into the room and i told Her i stopped because i had finished. 
   She squeezed a little tighter.  i started freaking out because i didnt know what to do. i was frightened, and then i just relaxed and let Her do what She was doing... She knew when to let go and did so a few seconds later.  That's all it took for me to let go.. To fully submit to Her.
    Ever since then our relationship has been growing stronger and we have experienced other things...
So yeah trust is a major factor when it comes to submitting to someone for me, that and chemistry and the exchange we share with one another. 
To this day i still continue to strive to become better for Her and to not argue so much, and just do as She says,  sometimes it is hard but i just bite my tongue and do what i'm told. :)

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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/19/2007 6:07:19 AM   
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Dude...firstly I posted this for in depth coversation. Please read the context of the OP before posting up your latest romp. I understand that physical actions aide us sometimes however the post was meant to talk about connection and energy exchange and what happens on a daily basis between two people...sometimes three or four.

Not what happened after you jacked off last time. Sex does not a relationship make...it just makes it fun.

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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/22/2007 5:56:48 PM   
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"Let's see if we can get the train on the track again...for conversations sake".

Now that I've had time to ponder your question and to attempt to put my ideas into complete thoughts this is what I'm willing to share.
My slaves are away from me so the coming visits in an of themselves bring a certain excitement and set the tone for the play that will no doubt ensue.  However, for a bit of that time when we do meet its difficult to transition from "I'm so damn happy to see you" to "Yes, Mistress how may I serve you".  So I began my search to find a way of deepening his/her submission and my Dominance to "set the tone".  So my research started out with web searches and reading some books (whose I couldn't begin to remember but to them I owe a sincere debt of gratitude).  Before we attempt to connect our conversation/play/time together begins something like this:

Who are you that approaches..........(response something like this although it varies) it is i your humble slave
Why do you approach............. to serve the One that i cherish greater than myself
How long will you serve me............until i no longer draw breath because that is the depth of my commitment to you
What do you offer.......i offer all that i am, mind, body and soul for your use
Then rise from where you lay and serve with a pure heart, filled with trust and honour

Just typing it almost brings me to tears because those are the words that reach my soul deepening my Dominance,  that I may feed a starving slave that he/she might be filled and brought to a deeper level of submission.

I hope I relayed my thoughts cohesively enough to be understood because for some reason my spelling sucks today and I'm just plain old lazy tonight!




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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/22/2007 7:44:34 PM   
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That is a broad question.  Many things could deepen submission.  But to be succinct, deeper dominance begets deeper submission.

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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/22/2007 8:07:17 PM   
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I feel the best way I can answer this is to try and share with you my own 'process of submission'. And it is a process. I'm picky and choosy about who I serve, not because I feel I am anyone special. I am not. Just as with most submissives I'm very well versed in the theory, but the practice? Ah, despite my years of experience there's still quite a way to perfection.

A Domme is a very special person, not just because she's a Domme, but because she's a woman, a special woman, a woman who is essentially herself, an individual.

The way into such a relationship if you are a submissive, irrespective of gender, is to be aware and to be able to interpret to a reasonable degree signals, emotional, psychological signals, and to be able to respond by giving off your own signals. Profile information and lists of interests, postings and all what is written about a Domme is very necessary information to read, it is essential that a submissive do their homework and be in a position to get to know their Domme, but they must also, right from the start, be able to receive, interpret and give out signals.

Therefore for me the most essential thing I need from a Domme are her signals. I know usually within 200-300 words, whether written or spoken, whether she is able to find my mind, but more importantly, whether I am a suitable submissive for her. This isn't always the case, usually it isn't.

Then I need time, communication, honesty, openness. I cannot enter into any sort of D/s relationship with a Domme I don't know. I need to know who I am serving and why I am serving her. I need to know her requirements, her expectations, her needs, who she is looking for, what role I am to play in her life, and in what areas I am to be submissive and what areas and how much of me and my life she requires control of.

I consider all possible angles of the relationship, I perform what I call a Needs Analysis, but it's not just needs, it's requirements, expectations, likes, dislikes, and so on, I am gathering information from her, I need to know as much about her as I possibly can, her life, her past, her family, her previous relationships, her health, her current lifestyle. During this stage I eat, sleep, live and think only about this Domme, I think about the signals I have received from her in our communication, what signals I have given back, and her responses.

But this is a two way street, and I give out as much information about myself as I can, as much information as she needs, BUT... I make no mention of any of my needs, none of my likes, dislikes, preferences when it comes to the D/s relationship. What I'm seeking from the relationship isn't important, not at all. Not at this stage. The only thing which is important is that (1) I am convinced I am with the right Domme, (2) she is giving me signals to which I am responding and there is a flow back and forth of these signals and (3) she is opening up and giving me information about her life, about her needs, about everything and anything which is important to her. The more she opens up and communicates the better.. I am winning her trust, her confidence, her friendship, her support. these are the things I need. I also need her to give me time.

Then I look for one more thing.. something which is very essential to me.. This is her vulnerability. This may seem strange to some submissives out there, that  submissive is so active at the start, going against the grain of the relationship. What about the matching of needs? How can I be sure that we are compatible on a D/s level? How can a Domme be vulnerable? She's supposed to be strong, assertive, in control, dominant.

No she isn't. Not all the time. Domination isn't about having control and power, it's about being able to use it. Being a Domme doesn't make her any less of a woman, or any less of a person. She never has to be bossy and demanding and assertive all the time. She never has to be anything other than herself. Up to this point she gets me, the real me, the me as myself. No submission.

She also doesn't need to know or to be told by any submissive about their needs, which is perhaps the most common mistake a male submissive can make. Any Domme worth her salt can work out a submissive's need all by herself. If she can't be sure she will ask.

That vulnerability from a Domme is the most important part of the relationship, for it says loud and clear 'Make me an offer'. This element of our relationship, where she shows her innermost vulnerability to me is the most important part of the relationship. This is what indicates to me just exactly how deep my submission needs to be, exactly how my submission is to be, and how much time I've got to produce that submission. This marks the end of my opening gambit as a submissive. That vulnerability is also a signal, I know enough, I'm ready to take control, I'm ready to work with you. I make my offer of submission, a proposal. This is the road map. The information she needs to have that control.

My submission to a Domme doesn't start until she has accepted my offer of submission, and accepted me into her consideration. This is where my submission deepens much further. Up until this stage it has been just words. Now it's time for words to be matched by their actions.

Submission can take many different forms, it can be service type submission, it can be play, it can be sexual, it can be financial, it depends on the relationship and the Domme. My needs, wishes and requirements are not important from my perspective, which is why I never really bother to fill out those lists of interests on a BDSM profile as to whether I like them or not as this to me as a submissive is irrelevant. All what is important is whether I have the necessary knowledge, experience and am able to competently function as a submissive in each of the specific service and play areas. Is it vital information whether I like ironing or not? No, it isn't. Is it vital information that watersports is enjoyable to me? No, it isn't. It's only important to me what a Domme likes, enjoys and needs. I've already covered her sevice needs in my Needs Analysis. When it comes to play I always ask a Domme to use her own BDSM checklist as a basis for our play sessions.

My thinking here is there's no point in me serving a Domme who I cannot serve to meet her highest expectations. There's a difference between Dommes and male Doms. The difference is most Dommes have a basic emotional need to dominate and this is central and a vital part of their nature. Any Domme worth her salt is a highly intelligent, emotionally complex woman, and so it's not just about fulfilling those basic emotional needs, because a Domme also needs constant and varied emotional and psychological stimulation. It's therefore important to consider as a submissive how long term the relationship is going to be and in which direction that relationship is going to go. It's very easy to serve a Domme to meet her expectations today, but what about in five years time? Ten years time? Twenty years? Are you prepared to work with her over that time and go with her wherever she leads you? Will she still be your Mistress in ten years' time? Or will she have moved on? Why do you think many Dommes look for long periods of service in submissives?

And why do you think it's so hard to find a good Domme? This is why. I would be prepared to wager that almost every experienced Domme here, no, in fact every and any experienced Domme you find here on Collarme has either been deceived, let down, cheated, fooled or conned in some way by a submissive. There is nothing more soul-destroying and heart-breaking, let alone stressful and depressing, than having to dominate a submissive who cannot read the signals, who cannot follow instructions, or who cannot even fulfill their basic needs. Yes it's hard to find a good Domme. But in many cases it's just as hard for a Domme to find a good submissive.

This is why many Dommes finally get tired of the casual play. They get fed up of being left alone when the submissive has got what they want, and they've gone home happy and fulfilled leaving a tired Domme alone to clean up after a scene, put the toys away, get the wax off the bedclothes and out of the carpet, just to go to sleep in an empty bed. It's quite easy to be a submissive, you learn to exchange signals and pretty much do as you're told. You don't have to buy the equipment, the clothing, the boots, you don't have to spend time planning and preparing a scene. Ever wonder why some Dommes turn Pro-Domme or demand tributes? Here's your answer. All they want is something in return. But not all Dommes demand tributes or become Pro-Dommes. Many log into Collarme in the hope that one day, one message that they receive from the hundreds might turn out to be that good submissive they've been waiting for. Many Dommes experience a lack of fulfillment and loneliness that few others in the BDSM community can ever hope to imagine or experience. Quite a few of these Dommes are lonely and unfulfilled because it's so damn hard to find a submissive on these sites who's prepared to show a little kindness and consideration, and this is something I personally find to be one of the saddest truths about this community.

Which brings me to my last and final reason over what can deepen my submission for a Mistress - a Domme who has tried and tried, and who has been let down, cheated, deceived, rejected and even hurt. There's quite a few Dommes like this around if you're prepared to look and make the effort. A couple of my previous Dommes have had either health or disability issues. My current Mistress, for whom I'm now working towards her collar, is no different. Only I got to complete a gender reassignment program as she's a lesbian and get myself across the Atlantic to be with her. It's a challenge, it isn't going to be easy and it might not work out, life holds no guarantees, but right now all I am focussed on is doing what I need to do to get to her, I'm even looking for domestic cleaning work, anything, just so I can get to this lady and give her something, anything, which gives her happiness.

What do I get out this? At the moment nothing. I don't need anything from her. She's got her own issues, she's caring full time for a terminally ill relative, she's on welfare. She's risking living in a wheelchair. She came to me, she needs a slave. She's got a slave. I am her slave. She's going to collar me shortly before I have my final surgery to complete my gender reassignment process. This is my dream, I had it when I was 17 and I doubted that I was male, I wanted to be a female slave. This is my dream. All I'd like is for her to be there when I get through this and to give me that life as her female slave. That's all.

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RE: "Deepening" submission...Dominance? - 11/23/2007 12:05:43 AM   
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Friendship and his ongoing commitment to be present for me during my everyday frustrations, successes and failures.  Acceptance and his ongoing ability to see me as who I really am despite my flaws and support me to continue achieving my goals.   Protection and his ability to safeguard me against even myself.

Yeah sure, certain aspects of play and structure can do it too.  However, for me, the relationship and my gratitude to him for being my friend first is the key.

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