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SubmissiveGael -> Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 3:42:27 AM)

Just a thought...

Are online relationships actually possible? At what point in the correspondence should they become real-life meets, and how reliable are they versus those relationships that begin in reality?

Many questions from a distant submissive... ;)




MissMagnolia -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 3:56:43 AM)

Yes, there are tons of people here on CM alone who have online relationships.

As for there being a point when people meet, no. It's as individual as the people involved. Some only want online, some want part time, some want 24/7.

Why would they be any less "reliable" than any other relationship? Yes, some meet and have no spark, but that can happen in any relationship. Some people are together for life, some for short periods of time, etc. That's life.




Dari -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 4:33:43 AM)

Absolutely online relationships are possible, if the people in the relationship are willing to work at it.  Why not ask if you can be friends with someone who doesn't live in the same city as you?  It's the same question.

The internet has allowed a great many people who would not normally be able to meet, to get to know each other.  Where you take it after that is up to you.  I have a few friends I knew for 5 and 6 years online before I met them, and others that I met within a month of first talking to them online.  It all depends on the people involved and the type of relationship you both have, and you both want.




MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 4:44:47 AM)

Just be realistic and upfront about what you are really looking for, what you want, and what "online" is.   Online isn't a substitute for real life, and an online relationship isn't going to teach you how to be in a face to face relationship.




Lashra -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 4:46:55 AM)

Yes they can work out, I met my malesub in an online game. He lived in New Orleans and I lived near DC. We took it slow with emails, telephone calls and lots of talking online. When I went to meet him after a year, I went with the idea that it may or may not work out in real life. Luckily for us it did and continues to be a wonderful relationship. Its even better because he moved back up here to his hometown in VA. [:D]

~Lashra




lateralist1 -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 9:48:17 AM)

Of course on-line relationships are possible and presumably some people are quite happy with them.
There is no should about anything.
Reliability depends on the people involved.





MstrssPassion -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 10:03:17 AM)

I met my partner of 4 years on a different website for lifestyle-minded folk

You can obtain reality in a virtual world so long as you don't set yourself up with unrealistic goals or expectations




CollegeConundrum -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 12:23:27 PM)

They should be real-life meets before they become online "relationships."

The realiability depends on the people: You need to be strong, faithful, very trusting, and limit your emotions.  I tried it once; it sucked, it failed.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 1:35:56 PM)

Try as we might, we fall in love with who we perceive a person to be, not who they really are. How far apart the two things are differs from person to person. Online phishing scams work. Real time cons work, too. They work because we want to believe a person is what they're telling us.

Master Fire




AFlyInYourWeb -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 2:30:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SubmissiveGael

... and how reliable are they versus those relationships that begin in reality?



I  see no difference in "reliability".

The difference is in the advantages and disadvantages inherent of how each type of relationship begins.

If one meets a local Domina "real-time", the advantages are that the "chemistry" question is settled up-front, and the couple is likely to "play" together sooner.

The disadvantages are that one risks playing and getting "involved" before intellectual, social and emotional compatibility have been established.

If one meets a Domina on-line, especially if distance is a factor, there is probably going to be a lot more exchange of ideas and feelings about Life in General and WIITWD before the first meeting.  Those e-mails, phone calls and IMs can accumulate, and if utilized properly by both sides, that can build up a great deal of rapport, mutual understanding, trust and anticipation before the first face-to-face.  It can certainly make that "first date" feel much less awkward...more like two friends getting together for dinner.

On the other hand, it can be that, in spite of all the rapport, trust and understanding, the face-to-face meeting results in one person or the other feeling there is no "chemistry" between them.  It happens.

Either way, it requires both sides to take a risk of one kind or another.  It comes down to which type of risk one prefers to take. 




LadyPact -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 2:52:51 PM)

I don't do online dating.  However, the first introduction that I had to My current sub was in a chat room on another site.  It didn't take long for a real time meeting in O/our case, so I'm not sure the question really applies in this case.




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 3:00:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubmissiveGael
Are online relationships actually possible?

Absolutely.  I am living proof. Angel and I were online for a long while before we finaly met face to face. He and I are stil together now, I have relocated and it is a RT relationship now, it did start as an online one. We met here.

quote:

At what point in the correspondence should they become real-life meets, and how reliable are they versus those relationships that begin in reality?

That differs for everyone, depending on the distance you are from someone, your comfort level talking to them, your or their ability to travel...
It took me about 4 months to meet Angel for the first time. I moved down here about 6 months later.
Fox came out and met me after only a day, since he was about an hour away and it was convenient.  WAY out of character, but convenient to do so.

There are no absolutes when it comes to relationships.
However, the few times I have met people "in reality" have not worked out quite as well.  Kitten was an exception, but there are few.

DV





DiannaVesta -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 3:18:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubmissiveGael

Just a thought...

Are online relationships actually possible? At what point in the correspondence should they become real-life meets, and how reliable are they versus those relationships that begin in reality?

Many questions from a distant submissive... ;)


Yes for me they are. I remember back in the bbs day before the web I would often meet distance slaves. My best relationships were first established online, however I won’t be happy with just an online slave. I have a set rule that they train for at least 3 month steady. I get to know them and make sure they are for real. After three months I agree to meet them… they fly to or I to them or I have even met half way. The first meeting is nice, comfortable with a little play to make sure we are compatible. After that we keep building.





rob425 -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/26/2007 4:18:25 PM)

ONline relationships can work as lioing as there is a strong chance of meeting in person with in the first 6 months of interaction....Being faithful to someone you just talk to over the internet is much harder if you never met and I don't feel i could call someone my girlfriend if i have never ment them in person not matter how much we talk...

I gave up my last dominant who i thought would be perfect because she said it was either i stay faithful to her or we no longer talk. At that point in time we were talking daily either by phone or IM




stella41b -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/27/2007 7:02:37 PM)

I'd say it's got nothing to do with the method of how you get to know each other, but far more to do with the two people involved.

If you're not with the right person, or rather, more accurately, the potential right person, the circumstances in which you interact with that person are never going to be reliable or successful, and it doesn't matter whether it's online, offline, real time, meeting, dating, whatever.

MasterFireMaam made a very valid point here in that we fall in love with someone on the basis of how we perceive them, not how they are in reality. These are very wise words. The reality is usually quite different, and you need to ask yourself if you are prepared to give that person enough opportunity and benefit of the doubt to enable them to develop a successful relationship with you. Can you accept the reality of that person? Can you give them enough opportunity? How much are you prepared to shift, be openminded and flexible in the relationship? Can you find enough flexibility and openmindedness to be able to make the development of the relationship possible, but without compromising either your needs and expectations or causing the other person to do the same? These I feel are the very relevant questions which need to be answered and which determine whether the relationship is going to be successful or not. These are questions which quite often need to be addressed constantly, openly, together and thoroughly discussed if the relationship is to have any hope of working out.

This might seem a strange concept to a few, but not even advanced technology such as what we now have at our disposal can ever change human nature, which is fluid, flexible, constantly changing, experiencing, maturing, developing, learning. We all change, and we change every day, often in small ways, but we're all running in a race against the clock and the calendar and it's a race which we know we're never going to win, but still we live, we experience, we interact, we learn, we change, we mature, we get older, and often who we were a couple of months ago is no longer relevant to who we are today. Getting to know someone isn't a part of the relationship, but the basis of the complete relationship.

Life doesn't come with a guarantee, not for anybody. Each new relationship is really nothing more than a crap shoot, a shot in the dark, the chance to explore, learn, interact, share feelings, emotions, thoughts and ideas and to gain (hopefully) from the experience and the relationship.

The Internet is really nothing more than a very powerful tool of communication and resource. It's brought a lot of benefits into our lives, it makes communication, interaction, and the gathering, processing and distribution of information so much easier and simpler. It's made our lives much more convenient, easier, simpler, and it's also a very useful tool as a preliminary means of getting to know people prior to meeting face to face. But it's really nothing more than this.

The problem is however that in using the Internet to deal with other people we are forced to accept others at face value, and not everybody is as honest, open or even genuine as they make themselves out to be. For some the Internet is nothing more than 'theatre of one person', a 'one man show' which is why it is full of people who are unable or refuse to deal with 'real life' or reality, and some of these people get drawn in by the power of the Internet so much that they cease to live in real terms, but merely live online in a world of fantasy and illusion. Often there is no way of working out who these people are until it's too late, as many here I'm sure have discovered to their cost, and this tends to make people more distrustful of others, more suspicious, more sceptical, making the possibility of developing an online relationship even harder. For some it's too much bother and effort.

Then you also have the 'Wal-Mart' philosophy of developing online relationships, which many people actually subscribe to - sometimes I would even suggest that this applies to most people. This is caused by people who approach an online relationship in the exact same way as shopping for groceries online, they don't see the real person behind the profile, they just see the image, and they browse the profiles like happy shoppers browsing supermarket shelves for products - looking for the right image, the right words in the profile, and many honestly and genuinely believe that all they have to do is string a sentence together in a message e.g. to a Domme and they've found a Mistress.

This is where the Internet dehumanizes people, and many feel that they have to 'sell' themselves, to be photoimage perfect, have the right image, wear the right clothing, have the right photos, and also the right buzz words - attractive, professional, experienced, successful, feminine, so much so that what you find on the profile isn't a description of a person but is more like product information or even a list of ingredients. Contains traces of nuts. Not suitable for diabetics, To be taken three times a day after meals.

This affects everybody, more so females than males, and more so Dommes than others - they become fetishized, objectified, dehumanized, to the point where to some they take on this Cruella type persona - the stockings, the leather boots, the heels, the corset, the whips, and who they are as women becomes irrelevant, unimportant. I know this from my own experiences as a TS female, I too am objectified, fetishized, and not just by men but by many women too, and even though I need the Internet to help me become integrated into society, out there in the real world, people who are actually interested in me as a person are sadly very few and far between. The Internet for me personally is my Achilles heel, the necessary evil, and at times I get very cynical about people and life in general.

Fortunately I've developed a sixth sense, I look for and respond to emotional signals, I'm able to read people through their words, this comes from a life of reading people, looking at them, trying to work out who to trust and who not to trust. I still make mistakes, I can still be fooled and deceived, but now it isn't that easy. I'm sharp, you have to be even sharper. Probably like most people here who've either been in the community a long time or who are experienced in life I know the stories, the excuses, the different approaches, and I can work out the gender and the intention of someone on the basis of a couple of paragraphs.

But it doesn't make it any easier - where do I draw the line? Where do I give someone the chance and the opportunity to get to know me and develop a friendship or relationship? And where do I reject, let go, and move on? Even today I cannot answer this question.

I cannot answer this question because I know that human nature by its very definition is unpredictable, almost impossible to define, classify or fit into neat little boxes all nicely labelled.

I know one thing for sure. The Internet is never going to change and it will always be that blessing and curse in my life. Just like the society outside my front door.

I change, and so do the people in my life, and all the people who come into and leave my life. Some stay, some give me things, some take things, some cause me problems, some help me solve my problems, some give me problems I can solve for them, some take one look at me and run a mile.

But it all comes back to the same thing - it's not how you get to know someone that's important, but who you get to know and what relationship you develop and share with each other.




domiguy -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/27/2007 7:12:54 PM)

Online is a ridiculous notion....You have no...NO idea who you are dealing with.  It's a crock of shit.  It at least takes some sort of balls to meet in person and crawl out from behind your computer screen.

Of course the Pros are going to advocate this type of relationship cuz either way they are getting paid.  If you live in the real world and you don't base an income stream or free wanking material or some fucked up pleasure from misleading someone then real life would seem to be the best way.  There is no problem with initially meeting a person off of this site as long as it is going to lead to a face to face in the very near future.....

Just to prove a point....You might want to check out "sickandtired"....I rest my case.




stella41b -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/27/2007 11:02:21 PM)

I disagree with the above.

This is complicated, but I'm currently going back on my word in a new relationship with who I felt was my Mistress, it's all online but for some it's just as serious to some of us as real time. I'm therefore calling this Mistress on her claims to my ownership and suggesting it stays as it is in reality, friendship.

Meanwhile the former Domme from the US who I spent several months corresponding with online under my previous profile of stella40 has come back into my life.

I'm flying out to the States next month.

And Domiguy, if you ever make it to the South drop me a message and I'll gladly buy you coffee.

I don't need no 'sickandtired' or any other profile. I myself am living proof that online relationships can and do work and at least are worth a try.

It's got nothing to do with whether it's online or not, but whether you're with the right person or not. End of.




MsLilac -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/28/2007 5:05:44 AM)

I have mixed feelings about it. I find communicating online as an invaluable tool in my LDR, but in this LDR we meet up as much as possible and spend a lot of time together in physical company. Without the possibility of online, I don’t think I would be in this relationship, as being in a LDR is not my ideal, but at this moment we have very few options. Online/LDR leaves a gaping hole in our relationship that really can only be fulfilled when we are together, and I’m not talking about the physical playing stuff (well, not only lol).

In a purely online relationship, it’s just the fuzzy stuff you‘re getting. I feel that regardless of how long the online goes, it never really gets past the equivalent of the first two or three months of dating. You never really get past a romantic ‘barrier’ into something deeper (even though a good intellectual friendship can blossom). Its time and actually spending time together, that you really get to know someone; not just listening to what they say, but observing, learning to how they actually react to a situation, learning to be comfortable with each other, learning how to be with each other.

A solely online relationship without the possibility of spending time together in the real world, in my opinion, is just fantasy, which is not necessarily a bad thing if that’s what is consensually wanted. If the only thing someone is looking for is online, then there is a reason. Another partner, or someone stuck in a fantasy world, or only wanting a part time relationship, could be some reasons. If someone is really ready for a mutual relationship and not playing at it, then at some point they are going to want to meet. So from my perspective, online is really quite pointless, and no win. Just a heck of a lot of wasted time.

As for how long it should be before you meet someone, that really depends on the momentum and the connection. I would say that after exchanging a few emails and a few IM‘s, it should move to voice chatting fairly quickly, in my experience the vibe you get from someones written word, doesn’t always go with the vibe you get from actually talking to them. From there just depends really, if you're only chatting once a week, then I would say that it is not wise to only meet up after a couple of weeks. It was 8 months of chatting everyday for hours at a time before me and mine met up. It would have happened sooner (about 3 months), but circumstances got in the way. If I were in this stage again I wouldn’t leave it much more than 3 months before arranging a meeting, probably more like one or two. Much more than that, then I feel online corresponding becomes a hindrance to communication, not an aid. After meeting, we were re-learning everything about each other, and new stuff as well.

There are people that will say that online is great, and that you can really know someone by online only, and feel love etc. But here’s my experience. As I say, me and mine chatted everyday, for hours at a time, with webcam. Plus texting and emailing each other the rest of the time, we spent a lot of time online together. This went on for 8 months. We felt close, and bonded and a fixture in each others lives, we ‘knew’ each other, we developed very strong feelings for each other, and we felt attraction. Then we met up and spent a few days together, all that time just paled in comparison, like a blip, even though it meant something, at the same time it meant nothing, it was a different ball game. Even after only that first meeting, the relationship moved up to a totally different level that no amount of online communicating could of reached. But without getting to know each other online we would have never of met each other, as we live to far apart; it was the feelings we developed that made the distance worth it. To us, online was a stage in our relationship, not a substitute for one.

As for reliability, all relationships start off with uncertainties, it’s just same with online, you have all the normal ones, and a whole set of new ones.




domiguy -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/28/2007 6:30:39 AM)

Can online work? Sure it can....But nine out of ten online dentists agreed that offline they worked in the fast food industry  and no one was the wiser...Some even had the nerve to portray themselves as women. They had pictures of past girlfriends and would send them out...

Doesn't it just make you hate dentists"?




catleggs -> RE: Ideal Partners-the reality of online dating (11/28/2007 10:11:45 AM)

Sure online is possible, as possible as any other way.

I've been with my sub 9 years now, and moved across the ocean to do it . We spent 8 months online before we met.

As many have said, it has to be the right person, but whether they are online, in person, via mail, telephone, etc. is irrelevent.  The point is, no matter where the relationship starts you have to take the same cautions and have the same relaistic expectations as with any other relationship.

Cat




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