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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/12/2005 2:33:24 PM

DesertRat

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I agree with you about Kerry. He would have been better than Bush (also true of my youngest cat), but he was a disingenuous twit...and we already had one of those in office. I wish Bill Clinton could run again.

I feel sorry for kids today. As soon as someone invents a "you want fries with that?" machine, they won't be able to find any kind of job at all. I know!! Maybe they could teach them all about science and math and stuff like that, so they could get good, well-paid jobs in the technical sector? Maybe they could then revive our lost technical and manufacturing excellence and usher in a new era of prosperity! .....Naaaahhh....that's just crazy talk... *sees a pretty cloud and chases it off into the distance*

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/12/2005 3:12:21 PM

Pavel

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I just felt like the "anyone but Bush" tactic was idiotic. It just boggled my mind that they'd run someone essentially hope we'd not look at the candiate, and simply vote because he wasn't someone else.

I want a McCain or Powell Presidancy (even better, have them both as a ticket). They've both got tons of experince, and have been able to function outside of party lines.

Still, what the hell am I smokeing? The democrats will run someone to further alienate me, and the republicans will likely run someone who's convinced the last time there was a good cultural shift was 1959....

We're not all lost Desert Rat. I can rattle off a fair number of my peers who've managed to find career fields or educational pursuits that aren't inclined to the fast food industry.

I'm more concerned that when they get out of the education end of things, that there won't be any companies hiring technical field sorts. Industry and non-service jobs seem to be outbound or failing thanks to the ability to do it cheaper overseas these days.

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/12/2005 10:13:54 PM

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I want a McCain or Powell Presidancy (even better, have them both as a ticket). They've both got tons of experince, and have been able to function outside of party lines.

Y'know, even though those two are self-proclaimed conservatives, (and I still think I'm a liberal) I'd vote for them because they're two of a dying breed -- they both have integrity and have stood up to those in their own party who don't. That takes both guts and a commitment to fair play.

I've been very impressed especially by Mr. McCain when he told Bush, Jr. that the personal attacks Bush Jr. was making on his opponents were going too far. I also appreciated Mr. Powell's stepping down from a position with a government he felt to be wildly out of control. I'm just glad there are some people in any aspect of government who still have any semblance of ethical behavior and backbone left. It's refreshing to see no matter what side of the aisle it comes from.

Sadly, it seems there are fewer and fewer people like them in either the Democrats or Republicans -- too many feel the end justifies the means and will do and say anything to get or hold onto power.

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/12/2005 11:17:21 PM

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for what its worth, i checked out that link to the political quiz, and i am right where i thought i was right on the line between 100% conservative and 100% libertarian. i do fell kind of torn... i consider myself very patriotic, but at the same time, i just want to say "fuck the government". i am sick of the government spending the money of hard working citizens on bullshit that no one wants or supports. you know what should be a political ideology.... darwinism! survival of the fittest... why should the strong continually carry the weak and/or lazy on its back in this society? anyone ever read harrison bergeron? (i think thats how its spelled).

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/13/2005 3:03:49 AM

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You know what should be a political ideology.... darwinism! survival of the fittest... why should the strong continually carry the weak and/or lazy on its back in this society?

It's what human society is all about : help each other in times of need. What you suggest is that if someone has a curable cancer but can't afford to pay the bill, he should be put to death immediatly, so that the society wouldn't have to cary him/her. Or is there a limit to your "survival of the fittest"?
If someone has worked for 20 years, has an accident that makes him unable to work, the society should let him die ?
I was going to say that it was what happens in dictatures, but I don't know which one : the nazi Germany or the USSR did nothing like that.
Ever heard of the "Golden Rule" ? (Mat 7:12). I don't think it only applies to christians. Now tell me, would you like the society to let you die when you are in trouble, just like buffaloes stare at a fellow buffalo fighting alone against several lions, when they could fight together and kick the lions easily ? It took hundreds of thousands of years to be "above" nature. I think you could have a little more respect for what thousands of generations of your ancestors have accomplished. Just my opinion.

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/13/2005 6:07:15 AM

pantera

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I always love the way people try to label others so they can feel better about themselves.

we are not talking about people labeling others, but themselves- being a socialist means being in agreement with that economic/ social model (which is unfair and bad for people), but that doesn't make them worse or better than me-

And I already feel great about myself- ....can't make it any better!!!!!

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/13/2005 6:11:34 AM

pantera

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ORIGINAL: Pavel

I'm a moderate conservative. Basically, that means when I'm visiting my folks in Seattle, people see my views as facist. When I'm back by Idaho for school, people see me as the commie pinko liberal.

I just can't win.

In any event I don't follow any party in particular. The Democrats will always run Washington, regardless of how little they actually care for the rest of the state outside of the Puget Sound. Combine that with the my perception that the Democratic party disconnected from reality when they ran Kerry, and I'm rather pushed away from that group of people. I'm markedly unimpressed by the actions of many Republicans, and just how backward many of them seem to be (It's the 21st century damnit, we can't keep harkening back to times when my grandparents were young and nubile as examples of the way things should be).

You are probably more of a libertarian then- and you are right about Kerry- he's just not "genuine" enough- plus the swifties really put a dent in his campaign efforts- sometimes your past does come back to haunt you!!!!

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/13/2005 6:13:58 AM

pantera

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I just felt like the "anyone but Bush" tactic was idiotic. It just boggled my mind that they'd run someone essentially hope we'd not look at the candiate, and simply vote because he wasn't someone else.

I agree, that was not very smart (surprise!!!) - anyone but W means that Castro, Jesse Jackson or the BTK would have been acceptable-

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/13/2005 6:26:44 AM

pantera

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ORIGINAL: youngnwilling

i do fell kind of torn... i consider myself very patriotic, but at the same time, i just want to say "fuck the government".

those two things do not exclude each other- I feel exactly the same way- I have been in this country for 10 years now and I would give my life for it- I meant it when I answered that question in my citizenship application- but government needs to shrink- quick!

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i am sick of the government spending the money of hard working citizens on bullshit that no one wants or supports. you know what should be a political ideology.... darwinism! survival of the fittest...

every specie does it for survival... and I can only think it goes against nature when we don't do it this way- what would the result be: the "weak" will adapt and become strong to survive- unless they choose to die- because at least in this country it is a matter of choice.

this may seem "unsensitive", but it is actually the best way to ensure that everyone can enjoy a life- any other system will makes us poorer -

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/13/2005 6:27:21 AM

pantera

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by the way youngwilling- you are too young to be so wise!!!!!

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/13/2005 6:31:44 AM

pantera

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I think you could have a little more respect for what thousands of generations of your ancestors have accomplished. Just my opinion.

I think the best way to show respect for our ancestors and forefathers is to make sure this country stays the way they intended for it to be: FREE- and taking by force from ones to give to others, is taking a bit of that person's freedom away-

We should all help others...we do it everyday- but it should be voluntary- NOT by force-

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/13/2005 6:39:26 AM

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Chica... Tengo gusto de su fuego y comparto algunos de sus ideales, pero me pregunto a veces si su experiencia entera con Castro ha sesgado su visión tanto, que usted no puede ver el bosque a través de los árboles

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/13/2005 11:53:40 AM

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quote:

we are not talking about people labeling others, but themselves- being a socialist means being in agreement with that economic/ social model (which is unfair and bad for people), but that doesn't make them worse or better than me-

I responded to your comment -

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I haven't hear them refer to themselves as socialists, but there are several people here that are- (I'm not sure if they know it or not)

Looks pretty much like you label people because they may have ideals that you assume are socialist - although how you can gather what someone is politically by sentances on a screen, I would be intrigued to know. You could sell it and make a fortune! LoL...

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/13/2005 3:29:16 PM

Pavel

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I like the federal goverment entirely too much to really buy into being a libertarian. I may see the national level of goverment as entirely too involved in the affairs of states (or alternately, the states taking advantage of the federal goverment), but I still agree with it's purpose, and potential beyond collective self defense and foreign affairs.

That and I do believe we have some obligation to the less fortunate members of society. I don't mean fueling drug habbits with welfare (and the level of abuse of that system truely drives me insane), but ultimately we cannot turn our backs on the underprivlaged. I'd like to see a more proactive system where a willingness to work (or at least do somthing to prevent it from just being a free handout) is the only way to get aid. I feel unearned wealth is more likely than not to merely be squandered.

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/16/2005 4:47:01 AM

pantera

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

Chica... Tengo gusto de su fuego y comparto algunos de sus ideales, pero me pregunto a veces si su experiencia entera con Castro ha sesgado su visión tanto, que usted no puede ver el bosque a través de los árboles

- The Ranger

no ranger, no lo creo- what I do is try to see the trees before the seed is even planted...I try to see what shape they will take once they are grown, and try to foresee if they will grow so big and out of control, that they will prevent other plants from enjoying the sun light- that's all-

in other words: vision-

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/16/2005 4:52:25 AM

pantera

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ORIGINAL: dark~angel

Looks pretty much like you label people because they may have ideals that you assume are socialist - although how you can gather what someone is politically by sentances on a screen, I would be intrigued to know. You could sell it and make a fortune! LoL...

Peace and Love

you are saying the same thing- and you are wrong: I don't label people.

and yes...I am a very good judge of people...only because I am very observant and I am always gathering information, processing it and drawing conclusions... could they be wrong? sure! but most of the time they are right- and I do this automatically...I've done it my whole life.... that's how I realised that most Honda drivers were also agressive drivers, etc-

but that's far from being psychic- and I think I'll stick to real estate / financing to make my living

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/16/2005 5:01:46 AM

pantera

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That and I do believe we have some obligation to the less fortunate members of society. I don't mean fueling drug habbits with welfare (and the level of abuse of that system truely drives me insane), but ultimately we cannot turn our backs on the underprivlaged. I'd like to see a more proactive system where a willingness to work (or at least do somthing to prevent it from just being a free handout) is the only way to get aid. I feel unearned wealth is more likely than not to merely be squandered.

We do not have "an obligation"... we help...that is what we do...but that help should be volutary. Putting a gun to somebody's head and taking a plate of food from them to give to somebody else is WRONG, even if it's legal.....even if it's the government the one doing it-

I would like for the government to go back to it's constitutional, limited role. ..and I would like for people to be responsible for their own actions and decisions. Anybody can have a "bad day"...I've had them...I'm having a "bad year" right now!!!! but you'll find that, in most cases people are where they put themselves.

Let family, friends, churches, charity organizations and private citizens take care of those who need help-

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/16/2005 5:39:08 AM

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and yes...I am a very good judge of people...only because I am very observant and I am always gathering information, processing it and drawing conclusions... could they be wrong? sure!

If judgement of charachter is based on information processed and concluded that could be wrong - then the judgement is wrong and therefore bad - not so good
We all have flaws - even our pride has.

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/16/2005 9:45:43 AM

DesertRat

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People who "know" they are very good at judging people crack me up. I think what they mean to say is that they have come up with ideas that work for them. The funny...but also scary bit comes when they think their opinions are universal truths.

Bob

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RE: Political affiliation or designation - 9/16/2005 10:59:56 AM

pantera

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[]If judgement of charachter is based on information processed and concluded that could be wrong - then the judgement is wrong and therefore bad - not so good
We all have flaws - even our pride has.

Peace and Love[/center][/font][/size]

That's what I said- it could be wrong- and I think is overkill to say that we all have flaws-- duh!!! even me!

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