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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 11:53:58 AM   
Fidelity


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But let's look at this purely in terms of responsibility.

NEVER give a positive refference on someone you are not 100% sure of.

And never entirely RELY on one.

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 11:56:30 AM   
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I don't do squat for it now (other then post the URL in my sig) and I still get emails from people who want to help.


How many people have offered that you have met offline. In real life at munches or parties? I know the published list as of 3 week's ago were all old collarme board members. Some decent people, some not so decent.
Since it is so easy to fabricate identity...but then you know all of this.
Why? Just a money making venture? You have been around long enough to know that people will get hurt. Most do not have the required common sense to weed out the fakes from the real people.

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 11:57:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
Someone can show up at a dungeon party and walk the walk, talk the talk and have their "gear" with them, it doesn't mean they are safe, or not someone just showing up to get their "verification" and be done with it so they can start prowling for people to scam or otherwise take advantage of.


Things like this just blow my mind...

Does a drivers license prevent accidents? Does a passport transfer you magically to another country? If a person provides references and they check out, does it make them safe?

A verification site is what it is. No more, no less. If you don't get what it is, then it really isn't my job to explain it to you.

Taggard


So then are you saying your site is useless?

And while a driver's license does not prevent accidents, it sets an imperfect mechanism in place for punishment -- fines, revoking the license, etc. How does verifiedbdsm do this?

Akasha

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 12:11:22 PM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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ORIGINAL: Fidelity
NEVER give a positive refference on someone you are not 100% sure of.


I guess I just don't live my life this way. If I meet someone, I have met them. I won't say anything more then that, and I certainly don't give references for people whom I don't know very well, but there is value in knowing someone is who they say they are.

Taggard

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 12:19:56 PM   
DublinSwitch


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Status: offline 		OK - bastartdised quote from Fidelidy below - and shocked and appalled at myself for being in complete agreement (after the pair of us having something of a hissy fit on another thread) on all the points he raises below.

Cheers

DS

(currently sitting in, despite a munch being on in Dublin cos he's just too lazy to get off his arse and go to it - so much for the 'get up, turn off your computer and go and meet people' lol - in my defence Godfather II is on TV soon, its raining, and I'm tired...groovy movie, shit weather, and laze = night in)



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ORIGINAL: Fidelity

They will yap forever online,but when it's time to get eyeball to eyeball-they evaporate like a fart in a tornado.

Two-when it comes to anything hands on,they don't know squat.

Three-they are so caught up in an obvious fantasy, that it's truly ridiculous. REAL people realize that you have to balance vanilla life with bdsm FUN.
Get up,turn off the computer. Go out and MEET people.

It's NOT real till it is REAL.


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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 12:21:33 PM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
So then are you saying your site is useless?


What I am saying is that it has its uses. It should be used for its uses. To use it as something it is not is useless.

quote:


And while a driver's license does not prevent accidents, it sets an imperfect mechanism in place for punishment -- fines, revoking the license, etc. How does verifiedbdsm do this?


It doesn't. That is not one of its uses.

Taggard

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 12:27:55 PM   
AAkasha


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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
So then are you saying your site is useless?


What I am saying is that it has its uses. It should be used for its uses. To use it as something it is not is useless.

quote:


And while a driver's license does not prevent accidents, it sets an imperfect mechanism in place for punishment -- fines, revoking the license, etc. How does verifiedbdsm do this?


It doesn't. That is not one of its uses.

Taggard


So then the comparison to a driver's license isn't really valid. I don't think the passport one is, either.

So what is the purpose of the site anyway? What are the uses it has, if the verifications aren't really verifyable, and there's no reprecussions anyway?

Akasha

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 12:46:09 PM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
So then the comparison to a driver's license isn't really valid. I don't think the passport one is, either.


The comparison is only valid in that a drivers license has its uses and is useless if used for something that is not amongst its uses. A verification site has its uses and, likewise, is useless if it is used beyond what it was intended to be used for.

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So what is the purpose of the site anyway? What are the uses it has, if the verifications aren't really verifyable, and there's no reprecussions anyway?


Yes, it is obvious you don't get what one would use such a site for. As I wrote before,

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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty
it really isn't my job to explain it to you.


If you are genuine in your desire to understand what it might be used for, you could visit the site itself, or even have a peek at PrincessinLatex's post here.

Taggard

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 1:28:10 PM   
Veav


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Collar and cuffs = cloak of elvenkind + boots of elvenkind
Leashing = telling your familiar to stay put and guard something
Dungeon = spawn point for orcs, dragons and gelatinous cubes
Flogging = stopping by the local tavern for some Diplomacy checks on barmaids
Needle play = quick draw, point blank shot tree and weapon focus: darts
Blood play = hauling out the vampire templates from Savage Species
Bondage = a T-Rex appearing out of nowhere to keep you on the GM's map
Chained = bard: Enthrall, barbarian: high Fort save, cleric: Protection From Fire, wizard: Fireball
Slave = halfling henchman acting as Polish Trap Detector (hands over ears, stomp foot)
Subby = picking up a level of, say, monk for those unarmed bonuses

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 1:28:51 PM   
AAkasha


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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
So then the comparison to a driver's license isn't really valid. I don't think the passport one is, either.


The comparison is only valid in that a drivers license has its uses and is useless if used for something that is not amongst its uses. A verification site has its uses and, likewise, is useless if it is used beyond what it was intended to be used for.

quote:


So what is the purpose of the site anyway? What are the uses it has, if the verifications aren't really verifyable, and there's no reprecussions anyway?


Yes, it is obvious you don't get what one would use such a site for. As I wrote before,

quote:

ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty
it really isn't my job to explain it to you.


If you are genuine in your desire to understand what it might be used for, you could visit the site itself, or even have a peek at PrincessinLatex's post here.

Taggard


You still didn't answer the question, and I have looked at the site. By saying "you just don't get it" is an easy way out -- you just really can't say that the site serves any true legitimate purpose. And charging money for it on top of it -- yet you won't take time to answer the question -- raises some questions.

I did read the thread of your one (1) supporter. I invite you to also read this thread, which has some strong opinions -- none of which you ever addressed or responded to.

Akasha

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 1:36:09 PM   
CalliopePurple


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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 2:13:47 PM   
Veav


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*patpats* But don't worry... I'll keep your dirty little secret regardless. }:D

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 2:46:37 PM   
mnottertail


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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 4:22:00 PM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
You still didn't answer the question


Yeah...life is great that way...I do exactly what I want and not a bit more. *wink*


quote:


By saying "you just don't get it" is an easy way out


If it were any easier, it would do itself.


quote:


I did read the thread of your one (1) supporter. I invite you to also read this thread, which has some strong opinions -- none of which you ever addressed or responded to.


I think you have me confused with someone who actually cares what most people think...

Taggard

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 5:36:11 PM   
AAkasha


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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
You still didn't answer the question


Yeah...life is great that way...I do exactly what I want and not a bit more. *wink*


quote:


By saying "you just don't get it" is an easy way out


If it were any easier, it would do itself.


quote:


I did read the thread of your one (1) supporter. I invite you to also read this thread, which has some strong opinions -- none of which you ever addressed or responded to.


I think you have me confused with someone who actually cares what most people think...

Taggard


Maybe you should then replace your tagline on verifiedbdsm from "don't be mistaken for a HNG!" with "You're mistaking me for someone that gives a damn."

Last time I checked, people who are involved in offering a service, especially one that charges money, generally care what the people they serve (customers and potential customers) think. Pretty arrogant not to, isn't it?

Akasha

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 5:43:04 PM   
sanita


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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

4) People that photoshop the same picture to look like two pictures


seriously! and when you can see the pixilation from resizing any one part of the pic!

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 5:56:47 PM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
Last time I checked, people who are involved in offering a service, especially one that charges money, generally care what the people they serve (customers and potential customers) think. Pretty arrogant not to, isn't it?


You've never worked with world class coaches, have you? They surely don't give a damn what you think. They don't care if you work with them or not. They have all the work they want, and don't need to cater to anyone.

You see, VerifiedBDSM was a lark for me. I threw it together, had some fun, got bored. It is my way... I like the discussions it brings up so I leave the link in my sig.

That said, I may very well want to revive it at some point. You just never know with me.

I am an enigma, wrapped in a riddle...and all of those on the board who actually know me, stop your snickering this instant!

Taggard

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 6:15:51 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		I'm a little confused. Isn't this verification site YOUR site? If it's not your job to explain what it is, whose job is that?

quote:

ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

If you don't get what it is, then it really isn't my job to explain it to you.



< Message edited by Lordandmaster -- 8/13/2005 6:16:44 PM >

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 6:16:00 PM   
AAkasha


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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
Last time I checked, people who are involved in offering a service, especially one that charges money, generally care what the people they serve (customers and potential customers) think. Pretty arrogant not to, isn't it?


You've never worked with world class coaches, have you? They surely don't give a damn what you think. They don't care if you work with them or not. They have all the work they want, and don't need to cater to anyone.

You see, VerifiedBDSM was a lark for me. I threw it together, had some fun, got bored. It is my way... I like the discussions it brings up so I leave the link in my sig.

That said, I may very well want to revive it at some point. You just never know with me.

I am an enigma, wrapped in a riddle...and all of those on the board who actually know me, stop your snickering this instant!

Taggard



You are not "coaching" people for money. You are offering a service that supposedly attempts to verify people are legitimate in the BDSM scene -- where safety is an issue. And on the net, where cyberstalking and other run-ins with potentially dangerous people are an issue.

I sure hope the people you 'service' know how committed you are to it. Or, I guess it's just not that big of a deal to you -- so hey, what's a couple of questionable driver's licenses sent in as "ID", what's a few supicious looking characters showing up at a dungeon to be "verified" -- hell, it's all good. Verify away -- after all, Taggard just did it as a lark. Maybe if you sign up on the site when he actually cares, you will get your $10 worth. Otherwise, oh well.

Great service. I hope you aren't as flakey with your own partners.

Akasha

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RE: Spotting a fake... - 8/13/2005 6:28:49 PM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: Veav

*lovingly toys with his dice and prepares to truly geek out...*

Shibari = oriental prestige class for 8th-level fighters
Collar and cuffs = cloak of elvenkind + boots of elvenkind
Leashing = telling your familiar to stay put and guard something
Dungeon = spawn point for orcs, dragons and gelatinous cubes
Flogging = stopping by the local tavern for some Diplomacy checks on barmaids
Needle play = quick draw, point blank shot tree and weapon focus: darts
Blood play = hauling out the vampire templates from Savage Species
Bondage = a T-Rex appearing out of nowhere to keep you on the GM's map
Chained = bard: Enthrall, barbarian: high Fort save, cleric: Protection From Fire, wizard: Fireball
Slave = halfling henchman acting as Polish Trap Detector (hands over ears, stomp foot)
Subby = picking up a level of, say, monk for those unarmed bonuses

Priceless Veav, absolutely priceless. You bloody little beauty....

I'd have thought that any reference and/or validation realy hold water if the person giving the reference or validation was someone who has credability in whatever group the applicant is seeking entry. Personally, if some want to take issue with small issues like a preference to be refered by their knickname and thus refer to that person as a fake (or is it flake?) it doesn't say much about the objector or for thet matter the group if they rely in the objector's opinion.... I'm finding that the whole BVDSM world doesn't revolve about the most popular cliques but about individualls who are what they say and by dint of sheer hard work are recognised for what they do.

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