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subspace08 -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:04:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

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ORIGINAL: shootingstar67


slaves are owned. Submissives are not. If you are a submissive who is owned you are a "slave"

If you are owned you are property. You are human chattel. You are a slave.

Or, a pet.  I guess. A human pet.





Really? And where did you get this info from?


From all the slave vs. sub debates I imagine




AquaticSub -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:05:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subspace08

From all the slave vs. sub debates


And you completely missed the fact that people leave them still disagreeing on exactly what makes a slave or a submissive?




subspace08 -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:11:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

quote:

ORIGINAL: subspace08

From all the slave vs. sub debates


And you completely missed the fact that people leave them still disagreeing on exactly what makes a slave or a submissive?


Probably.

But personally I would not want to be considered the property of my partner unless I officially consented to it. 

A past relationship left me jaded about men and valuing freedom.

If having two Masters gave each the message to each that neither "owned" me it would be a good thing

Owning exists in vanilla relationships, it is just expressed differently. And it can be a very ugly thing.




AquaticSub -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:14:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subspace08

Probably.

But personally I would not want to be considered the property of my partner unless I officially consented to it.  This might be because I was considered my vanilla husbands property and had to do restraining orders and had to move and hide and still don't feel safe years later.

This is the way I look at it. This is the way I state it. You don't own me. You will never own me.




That's fine. However, your orginal statement was:

quote:


A submissive isn't really owned. Slaves are owned. A submissive can submit to anyone she feels like


which just isn't true for a lot of submissives. But kudos to you for knowing what you want and being able to articulate it. It's probably going to help you out a lot.




chellekitty -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:15:03 AM)

i agreed to disagree several posts ago....

but to address new issues...ethnocentricity has to do with ethnic group (culture in america, because we have blended ethnicities as opposed to most other countries where their cultures are devided by race) not religion exclusively, and ethnocentric people have the mentality of "we are the only culture that matters"

and the post you took the second quote from was asking for pet peeves, the title of the post has improper subject verb conjugation she said "is" (a singular verb) with a plural subject noun, it is a pet peeve...the mention of the native language was for the allowance of english perhaps not being the OP's native language as this is not an exclusively American message board and i know we have non-english speakers on the boards, and i did not want to seem that anal retentive in that i could not accept that someone who had not been speaking english their entire life might not know when to use "is" verses "are"...i don't know, the OP on that thread did not have a profile...and i did not mean it as an insult, but rather an attempt not to be insulting....please try again, i did insult someone this morning, but that was not it...

not that i really care to continue this discourse...i have no issue with presenting differing points of views...i merely have an issue with the way they were presented

it is not what you say, but how you say it...

chelle




AquaticSub -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:20:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

i agreed to disagree several posts ago....

You agreed to disagree while continuing the discussion.
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and the post you took the second quote from was asking for pet peeves, the title of the post has improper subject verb conjugation she said "is" (a singular verb) with a plural subject noun, it is a pet peeve...the mention of the native language was for the allowance of english perhaps not being the OP's native language as this is not an exclusively American message board and i know we have non-english speakers on the boards, and i did not want to seem that anal retentive in that i could not accept that someone who had not been speaking english their entire life might not know when to use "is" verses "are"...i don't know, the OP on that thread did not have a profile...and i did not mean it as an insult, but rather an attempt not to be insulting....please try again, i did insult someone this morning, but that was not it...

It really doesn't matter Chelle. You were rude. Why are you allowed to insult people quite clearly yet someone else, when posting their opinion about themself and their relationship that happens to exclude you or offend you with no malice, suddenly comes under attack when it didn't even mention you?

I'm not insulting you. I have said over and over that your opinions are valid and just as correct as mine.
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not that i really care to continue this discourse...i have no issue with presenting differing points of views...i merely have an issue with the way they were presented

it is not what you say, but how you say it...

chelle



No, your issue was that it was presented at all. You outright told her so.
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to me slavery is the only way i can be content (happiness comes and goes)...i will defend your right to call yourself whatever you and your owner wish to, but please do not post such broad and missinformed definitions...this lifestyle does not use "standard" definitions for many words, slave is one of them...


Exactly how would you have prefered her to say that she can not call herself a slave and why?




chellekitty -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:22:51 AM)

sorry for answering out of order...
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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it is not that she, nor you, cannot apply the word slave to yourselves, it is that you refuse to accept that there is another definition of the word....

Perhaps you should instead be asking yourself why it matters so much to YOU that THEY accept YOUR definition.
<snip>


i don't care if they accept my definiton, just that there is another definition....i am not the only one who has attempted this...i don't really wish to revisit that tho...




AquaticSub -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:24:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

sorry for answering out of order...
quote:

ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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it is not that she, nor you, cannot apply the word slave to yourselves, it is that you refuse to accept that there is another definition of the word....

Perhaps you should instead be asking yourself why it matters so much to YOU that THEY accept YOUR definition.
<snip>


i don't care if they accept my definiton, just that there is another definition....i am not the only one who has attempted this...i don't really wish to revisit that tho...



Again please, please, PLEASE tell me where someone said there wasn't another defination.




chellekitty -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:27:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

No, your issue was that it was presented at all. You outright told her so.
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to me slavery is the only way i can be content (happiness comes and goes)...i will defend your right to call yourself whatever you and your owner wish to, but please do not post such broad and missinformed definitions...this lifestyle does not use "standard" definitions for many words, slave is one of them...


Exactly how would you have prefered her to say that she can not call herself a slave and why?


yes, she defined slavery for every one.... here...let me remind you

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl
No, I'm not a slave. To me, slavery is something involuntary and terrible. Slaves are the girls that are smuggled over the border to be prostituted out and fear for their lives on a daily basis, among other examples. I will not give my happiness the same name as their suffering.

How dare you try to define my life for me.


she did not say "for me, to live in slavery would be to live like..." she said "to me, slavery is..." she defined slavery as something involuntary and terrible...

my slavery is voluntary and anything but terrible...




AquaticSub -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:28:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

she did not say "for me, to live in slavery would be to live like..." she said "to me, slavery is..." she defined slavery as something involuntary and terrible...

my slavery is voluntary and anything but terrible...



Jesus, if I say "To me bubble gum is nasty" does that mean I've defined that bubble gum is nasty to everyone?




chellekitty -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:31:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Again please, please, PLEASE tell me where someone said there wasn't another defination.


tell me where she said there was another definition?

you are assuming a lot....i posted one response, and there has been 2 pages, without giving her a chance to respond...i don't know what her response will be...i have a lot of respect for OsideGirl, i agree with her a lot of the time, but you have suited up and defended her for a good long time...give it a rest...or better yet, i will...i will refrain from responding to this post anymore if and until Oside chooses to respond....




AquaticSub -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:34:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Again please, please, PLEASE tell me where someone said there wasn't another defination.


tell me where she said there was another definition?

you are assuming a lot....i posted one response, and there has been 2 pages, without giving her a chance to respond...i don't know what her response will be...i have a lot of respect for OsideGirl, i agree with her a lot of the time, but you have suited up and defended her for a good long time...give it a rest...or better yet, i will...i will refrain from responding to this post anymore if and until Oside chooses to respond....



I'ved defended her idea, which I happen to agree with for the most part.

Oh no... 




Mercnbeth -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:40:39 AM)

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how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom


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shootingstar67 -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 10:40:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

i agreed to disagree several posts ago....

but to address new issues...ethnocentricity has to do with ethnic group (culture in america, because we have blended ethnicities as opposed to most other countries where their cultures are devided by race) not religion exclusively, and ethnocentric people have the mentality of "we are the only culture that matters"

and the post you took the second quote from was asking for pet peeves, the title of the post has improper subject verb conjugation she said "is" (a singular verb) with a plural subject noun, it is a pet peeve...the mention of the native language was for the allowance of english perhaps not being the OP's native language as this is not an exclusively American message board and i know we have non-english speakers on the boards, and i did not want to seem that anal retentive in that i could not accept that someone who had not been speaking english their entire life might not know when to use "is" verses "are"...i don't know, the OP on that thread did not have a profile...and i did not mean it as an insult, but rather an attempt not to be insulting....please try again, i did insult someone this morning, but that was not it...

not that i really care to continue this discourse...i have no issue with presenting differing points of views...i merely have an issue with the way they were presented

it is not what you say, but how you say it...

chelle



I wasn't going to say anything but I wasn't sure. Now I am

So that WAS directed toward me! 

I stated in another thread that I had such bad learning disabilites that I was on SSI and that it took me eight  years to graduate from community college.

You had stated in one thread you had problems too. And up to this moment I actually thought you were a nice person.

If a occasional slip up of grammer annoys you this much you got some major problems honey and it is not me

Do me a favor..you and Irish please not post on the threads I start.

I noticed some people never start discussions themselves but are full of critisism for those who do.

[Mod Note:  flaming removed]





DesFIP -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 1:25:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: shootingstar67

I wasn't going to say anything but I wasn't sure. Now I am

So that WAS directed toward me!  You fucking bitch.

I stated in another thread that I had such bad learning disabilites that I was on SSI and that it took me eight  years to graduate from community college.


Are you really that self centered that you think everyone here on this board has nothing better to do than follow all your posts and remember every personal detail. Because I can assure you, you aren't that distinctive to me.

You want to tell everyone all your problems, then fill out a profile and put it there. But expect that most people won't bother to look at it. If you need people to understand that your posts can be confusing due to learning disabilities, then add a signature line saying just that.

It is your responsibility to make yourself understood, not everyone else's to spend their time trying to decipher your posts. As I've said in a post a while ago on dyslexia, the ones that don't try to use spell check and grammar check are the ones I just skip over. I chose what to spend my spare time on, other posters don't determine that for me.




fsub4use -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 4:43:42 PM)

Hands Lucky Albatross a Library Reference Goddess Award




chellekitty -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 5:13:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: shootingstar67


Do me a favor..you and Irish please not post on the threads I start.

I noticed some people never start discussions themselves but are full of critisism for those who do.


going to break my word to say this...

i am sorry you were offended...i can't cover all my bases...that is one i did not think about...but if my disclaimer were longer than my post it would be beyond rediculous...

you have no control over where and what i or anyone else posts...btw, Aquatic, yes i have said something to those people who say "thats so gross" on the scat threads...like perhaps they should just skip them next time...i have a problem with apathy...anyway...

being that you are relatively new i will give you some lee-way on the second comment...i have started many new threads...just not recently...i am attempting to change somethings...trying to be positive in my posting...i guess i can't succeed all days...but at least i didn't resort to name calling or pidgeon holing...i am good with myself tonight...

chelle




lusciouslips19 -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 5:26:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

hi

being  "owned" by 2 Doms may sound confusing to you however it works perfectly for us. in this relationship, there's no Alpha Dom. just two separate relationship ...each one unique from the other.

Daddy is merely Daddy in my life ...a father-figure to guide His daughter towards her goals in her submissive life. we have a loving, non-sexual, long distance relationship in which we both agreed upon when we moved towards this dynamic. yes i'm collared by Daddy and we have a lifetime commitment to each other as Daddy and daugher. it was His goal for me to find and be with another man yet keeping our relationship as well.

my fiance will be both Dom/husband. we'll have the best of both worlds (nilla and kink) but keeping the kink side private and behind locked bedroom doors. as you can imagine, finding a second was hard because i was asked to give up my relationship with Daddy if i wanted to be with them. i can understand their jealousy yet i'm not dumping Him.  it took awhile when i wasn't really searching to find the one guy who understood Daddy's place in my life and wants us to continue that special relationship even after we're married.  incidentially, i will be wearing 2 collars on my wedding day.

i hope that answers your questions. 



Actually, it makes the most sense of all. thank you for answering. i wish you nothing but happiness. you are very lucky.




OsideGirl -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 6:41:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty


she did not say "for me, to live in slavery would be to live like..." she said "to me, slavery is..." she defined slavery as something involuntary and terrible...

my slavery is voluntary and anything but terrible...

I said TO ME...ie: my opinion, my view.

I really don't give a crap how someone else labels themselves. If you makes you happy to describe yourself as a female porcupine trapped in a male human body...go for it.

My view is that my happiness (notice the word MY) should not share a label with something as ugly as human trafficking. I did  not say that I think it's stupid/silly/assinine or anything else for someone to refer to themselves as a slave. I did not tell anyone else that their relationships weren't real. No where did I attempt to define anyone else's relationship. I've stated my view on my relationship and explained the label that I have given myself. You don't have to like my opinion, but I still have the right to hold that opinion.












LuckyAlbatross -> RE: how can a sub be owned by more than 1 Dom (12/3/2007 7:41:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fsub4use
Hands Lucky Albatross a Library Reference Goddess Award

Aww thanks, now I need to reference all the links to my thank you speeches ;)




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