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malloves69 -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 8:16:06 AM)

whatever it is must say i LOVE  it [:)] will gladly bendover for a woman and her strapon [:)] just please make it a big one [:)] and when your done if you want to fist me im game for that as well [:)] but then again your the one in control calling the shots ..have fun ..mal [:)]



lockmeupplease -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 8:27:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DianeB269

Not according to a judge here in San Francisco. In 2001 I was busted for prostitution doing
my Pro Domme thing. I was doing a undercover cop with a strapon (I did him 6 times before
I was arrested)
Diane


Great story Diane (though I'm sure you weren't amused at the time)..  What I want to know is if the undercover cop busted you or if a few of his fellow officers burst in while you had the strap-on buried in him? :) 



defiantbadgirl -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 8:27:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

It's a bit graphic, but here's why I don't consider it sex:

Say, for example, I would chose to give Myself an orgasm using an insertable.  Just because I'm using a vibe or a dildo, that, to Me, is still masterbation.  I don't consider it sex, because whatever I'm using is still just an object.

Change the circumstances.  If someone else uses the same insertable on Me, it still isn't sex.  Just another person happens to be manipulating the same object for the same result.

Take that same object, make it external, rather than internal.  Add on a harness (just for arguement's sake).  It's still just an object giving Me pleasure.  Granted, I wouldn't get the same pleasure if someone wasn't on the receiving end, but We're still talking about an object here.  There's still no genital to genital contact.



This is more along the lines of what I was trying to say. Well put.



AquaticSub -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 8:30:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

It's a bit graphic, but here's why I don't consider it sex:

Say, for example, I would chose to give Myself an orgasm using an insertable.  Just because I'm using a vibe or a dildo, that, to Me, is still masterbation.  I don't consider it sex, because whatever I'm using is still just an object.

Change the circumstances.  If someone else uses the same insertable on Me, it still isn't sex.  Just another person happens to be manipulating the same object for the same result.

Take that same object, make it external, rather than internal.  Add on a harness (just for arguement's sake).  It's still just an object giving Me pleasure.  Granted, I wouldn't get the same pleasure if someone wasn't on the receiving end, but We're still talking about an object here.  There's still no genital to genital contact.



This is more along the lines of what I was trying to say. Well put.


The problem for me is that how do two women have sex then? I am entirely uncomfortable, and in fact do not accept, any defination that does not consider two women sharing a double-ended didlo as sex.



LadyPact -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 9:23:21 AM)

Perhaps, aquatic, then I would have to go with My secondary definition, which would be fluid transfer.  Being One who doesn't have sex with other women, I am at a loss for what would work for Me.



rob425 -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 9:30:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: unforegvn

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

I just stated this on another thread here.
A Mistress that specializes in using strap-on's says she does not have sex with her subs.

Hello!
Strap on sex is sex folks.
   Sodomy is against the law in most states :o)~

I disagree with you - I never consider myself having sex with a submissive/slave if I am using  a strap-on; no matter how much pleasure and/or empowerment I feel while using one. The use of a strap-on to train a submissive can be erotically intoxicating but it is not SEX. 

I'd like to direct you to the Supreme court case of 'Lawerence versus Texas'

The majority decision found that "the intimate, adult consensual conduct at issue here was part of the liberty protected by the substantive component of the Fourteenth Amendment's due process protections."(Wiki)

Oh how I love constitutional law.....Law school next year will be fun



vampchick88 -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 9:32:26 AM)

 I must agree, strap on sex is still sex. Anything penetrating and moving in and out of the ass is sexual. Especially if the Mistress is nice enough to give her male subby a lucky reach around to really blow their mind...as well as other things[;)]



vtviceversa -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 9:47:18 AM)

Well...

FIRST, let me just say I adore strap on sex - giving and receiving it (yep, that's an "M" that checkbox :) and to me is it sex!

But... Where were all of youse peeps when good ol Bill Clinton had his woes???? Man, he coulda used a few of you on his defense team: "Define 'it'"

:)



Koala -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 9:57:50 AM)

It all depends how you define sex. I think it's a very personal and subjective thing.

Strap on sex to some may be sex, to others may only be foreplay.

Social theory holds that western culture believes sex to be penis in vagina, penetrative sex with the male as the primary agent.



MistressDolly -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 10:00:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

It's a bit graphic, but here's why I don't consider it sex:

Say, for example, I would chose to give Myself an orgasm using an insertable.  Just because I'm using a vibe or a dildo, that, to Me, is still masterbation.  I don't consider it sex, because whatever I'm using is still just an object.

Change the circumstances.  If someone else uses the same insertable on Me, it still isn't sex.  Just another person happens to be manipulating the same object for the same result.

Take that same object, make it external, rather than internal.  Add on a harness (just for arguement's sake).  It's still just an object giving Me pleasure.  Granted, I wouldn't get the same pleasure if someone wasn't on the receiving end, but We're still talking about an object here.  There's still no genital to genital contact.



This is more along the lines of what I was trying to say. Well put.


I agree.


I see a difference between sexual activities and sexual intercourse.


If a woman is inserting a cucumber into a man's ass, I don't consider that having sexual intercourse with him.


I see sexual intercourse as: penetration by a man's sexual organ into a woman's sexual organ or anus (male included).

I consider two women as having "sexual relations" but not sexual intercourse.


I consider the use of insertables (strap-ons, dildos, fingers, etc) as sexual activities, but not sexual intercourse.




I consider mouth to genital "oral intercourse" but not sexual intercourse.



girlygurl -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 10:09:32 AM)

This is interesting.  How can strap-on sex not be sex?  It's a sexual activity, isn't it? 

Sexual intercourse involves penetration hence the use of a strap-on is sex.  Of course, if one is wearing a strap-on and not penetrating then I suppose they aren't having sex.  

*wishes someone would "not" have sex with me and use a strap-on*  [:)]

girly



YesMistressIrish -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 10:15:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

I just stated this on another thread here.
A Mistress that specializes in using strap-on's says she does not have sex with her subs.

Hello!
Strap on sex is sex folks.

This is the 'Ask a Mistress' threads. Did you have a question?

'Cause this subject has been beaten to death.




unravel -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 10:26:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressDolly

I agree.


I see a difference between sexual activities and sexual intercourse.


If a woman is inserting a cucumber into a man's ass, I don't consider that having sexual intercourse with him.


I see sexual intercourse as: penetration by a man's sexual organ into a woman's sexual organ or anus (male included).

I consider two women as having "sexual relations" but not sexual intercourse.


I consider the use of insertables (strap-ons, dildos, fingers, etc) as sexual activities, but not sexual intercourse.




I consider mouth to genital "oral intercourse" but not sexual intercourse.


This is an interesting perspective Mistress Dolly. one to ponder for sure. Thanks!
unravel



sensubmaybe -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 10:31:43 AM)

Seems like the whole "is or isn't" question is one of semantics. People pay prostitutes to jerk them off, watch them jerk off, blow them, talk dirty to them, etc. and it is still considered prostitution if money is exchanged. Any action, words, engagements and thoughts that pruriently arouse are sexual. If a person gets paid to do or say them to another person, in some ways, whether the law agrees or disagrees, makes them a prostitute. I don't mean it judgmentally...it is what it is, but to pretend that it isn't is just silly.  

I once talked a lover to orgasm without touching her or her touching herself. I suppose that wasn't technically sex either, but it was erotic and sexual enough to consider it that way...she wanted to be held afterwards, isn't that part of the def of sex? ;-) She bought me dinner later that night...I guess I was her whore. 



BoiJen -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 1:58:49 PM)

Here I come to bust a few bubbles...
Sodomy is no longer illegal in any part of the US. In 2003 in the case of Lawrence v. Texas the US Supreme Court ruled that consentual sodomy between two adult is a matter of privacy and no gov't authority in the US may invade said matter of privacy.

Traditionally by the most legal standards sodomy is a number of things including blow jobs, anal penetration (male or female), masturbation (male), homosexual acts, and basically anything that isn't missonary between a male and female.

That being said...in most states, no matter how you personally feel about it, strap-on sex can be ruled as sex. And doing "strap-on training" (a silly phrase in my head...go ahead justify sex however you want) would be considered sex. San Fran is a place out of this world and if that case had gone any further outside of San Fran it's not likely Ms Diane would be writing and responding by her computer. That's the honest fact of the matter. There have been several lucky individuals who have been able to quietly have small cases and battles with the system over "sex." Just in the last couple of years a lawyer in this area was able to prove that "community standards" could indeed be limited to the space of a gay leathermen's bar and if in said community at odd hours being asked for a blowjob isn't outside of those community standards. (In MI inappropriate behaviours are defined by the community around one's self.)

And "sex" boils down to alot of things...there are still lil catholic gils who consider themselves "virgins" no matter how many outbreaks of herpes they have at their assholes. It's still sex...so is oral...that's why it's called "oral sex." And yep I'm a bit liberal in my opinion of what "sex" is...I feel it's safest that way in many regards.



mnottertail -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 2:01:18 PM)

Well if the sodomy laws have been struck down-----

Whatcha got on for tonight?

Ron



BoiJen -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 2:09:44 PM)

recently strap-on blow blow jobs and lots of strap-on sex...good stuff man.



Wickad -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 2:33:29 PM)

(fast reply)

Greetings Eeveryone,

For those who are interested in my 'missing out' on something ... no need to worry, I am not.  I am doing quite fine with what I am doing with a strap-on or without one.  Thank you for your concern though.

Beyond the legal definition .... if I do not find strap-on play sexually arrousing because ....ohhh, I'm wearing my pants or something under my harness .... or .... if strap-on play just doesn't arrouse me in a sexual way (not to be confused with mentally stimulating) .... then it is not sexual for me.  The person recieving said play may, or may not, feel it is sexual for him.  Another party, doing the exact same thing might find it completely sexual for them.

How about we leave what each of us feels is, or is not, sexual up to the individuals in question.  Perhaps I'm putting to much thought into this but ... why on earth are any of us trying to make 'rules' about what each of us does?  We all seem, on some level, to be bucking societal rules just by admitting we enjoy certain acts or certain relationship dynamics, yet, here we sit trying to determine what is, or is not, for someone else.  Maybe we should just let other people do what they do and concentrate on doing what we do with like minded parties.

Wickad



BoiJen -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 4:16:45 PM)

I really wish the rest of thw world would feel the same way bout that as you do (the not making rules about sex) however, the law does prosecute on socitial rules of what is and is not sex. And that's what we have to abide by.

And just for those of you who aren't counting certain activities like mutual masturbation or strap-on sex as sex: if someone were to do it to the UM in your life...and you'd be angry as hell about it...then it's sex.



brightspot -> RE: Strap on sex is sex folks (12/3/2007 4:47:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

I just stated this on another thread here.
A Mistress that specializes in using strap-on's says she does not have sex with her subs.

Hello!
Strap on sex is sex folks.


I know when my Domina "did me" with a strap -on
it was definately sex, and mind blowing for both of us!!!! [8D]
I would have multiple orgasms and my Domina usually had
a least two, with listening to me and her very active imagination at times it was over the edge! [;)]
 
Missy



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