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Rule -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/5/2007 4:48:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne did you watch teh one with the bird that flew away? Yes, something startled that pigeon just before the first visual evidence that another explosion occurred. I noticed how the air pressure of this new explosion caused the very few fires that burned in WTC1 to flame up a bit - proving that there were indeed nearly no fires in WTC1, and minor ones at that. Then the heat from the explosion in WTC2 sucked all the smoke produced in WTC1 towards it. (Hot air rises, so the vacuum sucks in air from the sides.)

Real0ne -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/5/2007 5:22:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef You're wasting your breath. Their world does not intersect with reality, on any level. ~stef Really stef? The reality is that it was demolished. Unless of course you are in some alternate universe. So in your professional opinion tell us why building 7 was demolished. or whatever label you want to put on it

Real0ne -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/5/2007 5:26:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne did you watch teh one with the bird that flew away? Yes, something startled that pigeon just before the first visual evidence that another explosion occurred. I noticed how the air pressure of this new explosion caused the very few fires that burned in WTC1 to flame up a bit - proving that there were indeed nearly no fires in WTC1, and minor ones at that. Then the heat from the explosion in WTC2 sucked all the smoke produced in WTC1 towards it. (Hot air rises, so the vacuum sucks in air from the sides.) yes and what is incredibly interesting is that if you look at the CNN video there is no helio!!! Now in my reality thats impossible unless of course some video cameras are allergic to recording or filming helio's.

Rule -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/5/2007 7:30:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne what is incredibly interesting is that if you look at the CNN video there is no helio! Now in my reality thats impossible unless of course some video cameras are allergic to recording or filming helio's. What is the provenance of this pigeon movie? Why is the WTC blurred and why is the focus on the nearby pigeon? That helicopter to me seems rather large. Was it perchance put in at a later time? I do not trust this movie.

marcpiery -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/5/2007 10:15:15 PM)
Wow!!!!! Rosie O'Donnell is a genius!!!![sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif]

subfever -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/5/2007 10:54:24 PM)
Hmm... if the Mods dropped this thread down into the Random Stupidity forum, I guess that pretty much indicates which side of the debate they're on... [8\|]

angelikaJ -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/5/2007 11:21:36 PM)
just curious... if there was no plane then why did the employers of the people who were traveling on the "plane" have to erect memorial gardens and such for the employees that were lost that day.. you know... business travelers who were picked up by airport limo, dropped off in Boston and never arrived at their destination...never returned ... . no response needed btw... it is rhetorical.

Rule -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 3:15:34 AM)
Indeed, it is rhetorical. At this moment you are halfway to the answer you desire to know: you have asked the question and in this you have achieved more than the multitude that cannot conceive of the question.

Politesub53 -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 4:02:34 AM)
Well i need a response. What did happen to all the people on the flights that never were ? Did the government have them all killed or what ? I take it that if you know the flights didnt exist you can answer this for me ? No sarcasm intended here Rule, provide an answer and i will accept what you say as the truth.

Rule -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 4:57:20 AM)
Flights 93 and 175 did exist, but never crashed and were simply stolen. There are indications that at least some of the passengers had died before the events. Others I imagine if elderly went to Hawaii to spend their last years in luxury, still others assumed a new identity and life elsewhere, and yet others submerged in ultrasecret projects never to see a civilian again. A few of them died years after the event and had their remains 'miraculously' identified as taken from the debris of the wtc towers.

Politesub53 -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 9:29:25 AM)
Any proof ? That would really convince me. After all, you are always asking for verification yourself. See here is the thing i dont get. How could so many people who saw the flights at the airport, or had loved ones on them, all be fooled and yet not one bit of evidence show up. I have the same problem with the towers and the " explosions " i agree with Realone months ago that they fell too fast. Although working in construction i can see how this happened without the need for explosions.

Rule -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 10:01:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Any proof ? That would really convince me. After all, you are always asking for verification yourself. It is in the nature of conspiracies that evidence is always circumstantial. I have got plenty and there is also plenty out there on the web that I added to mine. Merely scratching the surface turns up significant leads, as I did in this post: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1456772 I suspect that more would turn up if someone did an in depth investigation of this vice-president of Merril & Lynch. Start scratching yourself and see what turns up. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 See here is the thing i dont get. How could so many people who saw the flights at the airport, or had loved ones on them, all be fooled and yet not one bit of evidence show up. Have you ever watched one of the Lord of the Rings, or Pirates of the Caribean movies and sat it out to the end and watched the roll call of the cast and all those that did their part? It goes on and on and on - and the roll call of 911 is a fair bit longer. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 I have the same problem with the towers and the " explosions " i agree with Realone months ago that they fell too fast. Although working in construction i can see how this happened without the need for explosions. I am not an explosions expert. Some of the explosions testimony I deem credible and others I simply do not know. I am convinced, though - as there is sufficent circumstantial evidence, that the WTC-buildings were brought down by some form of controlled demolition and that the charges were emplaced during the weeks preceeding the events. Especially telling is that one of the charges ignited prematurely or at least was visible from outside the tower and filmed, dripping white hot molten metal and glass and distorting the adjacent outer columns.

Real0ne -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 10:05:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marcpiery Wow!!!!! Rosie O'Donnell is a genius!!!![sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif] Hi marc, i have glanced at your post and will respond to it in a bit. I just havent had any real time to do it. As far as rosie is concerned it sounds like you have a big problem with her, why i dont know. i do know that i have no use for any of the shows she does and i am totally not a rosie fan, but regardless of my personal feelings for the woman what i have heard from her so far regarding the wtc is right on target. I dont know however if i heard everything she has ever said however. polite, i can give you more details on their destruction as time allows, right now i have a bunch of stuff i have to get done and cant spend much time on the boards.

Real0ne -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 10:21:53 AM)
Hey Rule, i looked at that vid with the pigeon and it almost looked like he had a brain fart and left the autofocus on didnt it? I cant see anything obviously wrong with that helio. If you look at the length of it then count the width of the windows in the north tower its about what i would expect. Rule did you see this? Metal and concrete mysteriously vaporizes with no fire in site!!! Its amazing how many laws of physics are defied on that day! You may know what can do that, and i know a very few other people on this particular board who know what can do that, but the general public in this country are so intent on keeping their heads in happy happy land that its unthinkable and they are terrified to even go there.

Politesub53 -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 10:36:24 AM)
Rule.... Thanks for the thread link, i will take another look at it. Realone... I seem to recall you posting several links. One led to a site which had lots of documentries on the topic which i looked at. Some of the conspiracy theories looked a bit far fetched while others were more feasible.

joanus -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 10:36:30 AM)
Heliocopters can fly at any speed from 0-70mph. (depending on the choper) The pigeon looked fine to me but the monkey working the camera seems to have brain damage. the reason not all of the cameras show the same thing is because they all have different perspectives. Finally look how the theroy has grown; first it was terrorists who flew the planes into buildings. then it was the goverment flying our own planes into our own buildings. Next it was Planes with bombs strapped to them. Now its there where no planes. You guys need to get your stories straight. As for the wittinesses I doubt the Government hired a bunch of actors to stand on the street and scream "a Plane just flew into that building" and let them drop a buildings around them. Last but not least our government is not smart enough to think that sort of stuff up. I mean come on we had a Redneck in the white house for the last 20 years. Get over it, if you want to be special you don't have to pretend the government is up to something, just walk into some place shoot a bunch of people then your self. Problem solved your "special" and we no longer have to deal with you.

Rule -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 10:53:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Hey Rule, i looked at that vid with the pigeon and it almost looked like he had a brain fart and left the autofocus on didnt it? I cant see anything obviously wrong with that helio. If you look at the length of it then count the width of the windows in the north tower its about what i would expect. I distrust photographic evidence and movies, as they may be tampered with. I suspect that the pigeon and helicopter were filmed against a blue sky - i.e. blue screen - and that the wtc towers were later put in. So perchance the pigeon movie is a fraud. In any case the helicopter flies far above the explosion in the second tower. quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Metal and concrete mysteriously vaporizes with no fire in site!!! Its amazing how many laws of physics are defied on that day! You may know what can do that, and i know a very few other people on this particular board who know what can do that, but the general public in this country are so intent on keeping their heads in happy happy land that its unthinkable and they are terrified to even go there. I see four pictures taken out of context, so I do not know what to think about them.

Politesub53 -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 11:35:16 AM)
Okay i have always said i dont believe there was a conspiracy. However, there are still a few questions that need answering. Firstly flight 93 and the lack of debris, plus the hole in the ground, which sounds more likely to have been caused by a missile than a plane. I suspect it is possible that the plain exploded in mid air. I base all of this on the following news link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc&feature=related Secondly WTC7, although the timing issue of the BBC broadcast may just have been due to poor communication, there is a wider problem. I read, and i forget where, that they decided to demolish the building by placing lorry loads of explosives in the basement and detonating them. In all my experience of demolition, and i was in construction and not the actual demolition team. To bring down a building within a set area requires carefull planing. Normally jackhammers are used withing the building to reduce the amount od concrete around the columns. Any steelwork that can safely be removed is done so. The explosions are set to go off in a certain pattern so the building colapses floor by floor. I dont see how they just dropped a 47 storey block by blowing out the lower floors, given the time frame to install any explosives. Here is a link showing what can happen if not done right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiNrzmbdC1Q I am still not saying its a conspiracy but there are certainly a lot of unexplained events.

Rule -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 2:47:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joanus The pigeon looked fine to me but the monkey working the camera seems to have brain damage. Quite. quote: ORIGINAL: joanus Finally look how the theroy has grown; first it was terrorists who flew the planes into buildings. then it was the goverment flying our own planes into our own buildings. Next it was Planes with bombs strapped to them. Now its there where no planes. You guys need to get your stories straight. My perception of the events evolved. I was straight all along, as I am the one-eyed man. quote: ORIGINAL: joanus As for the wittnesses I doubt the Government hired a bunch of actors to stand on the street and scream "a Plane just flew into that building" and let them drop a buildings around them. Seems to me this vice president has sufficient motive to lie: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1456772 quote: ORIGINAL: joanus Last but not least our government is not smart enough to think that sort of stuff up. I thought that you were from Japan? So I must conclude that you emigrated to the USA? So your government has provided you with sufficient reasons to conclude that they are not all that smart - giving them license to make a fool of themselves again and again and not getting blamed by the citizens whom they hoodwink. That is what con men do: let the other guy have a sense of superiority and meanwhile rob him blind.

luckydog1 -> RE: 9.11 "mystery plane" still unknown (12/6/2007 6:11:09 PM)
Polite sub, why do you think the towers fell too fast? By what method do you determine the speed it should have fallen at?

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