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Stitching - 8/15/2005 1:47:08 AM   
wednesday


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I am really curious about the safety/sanitary measures involved in stitching.

I ask because this strikes me as an extremely bad idea out of the hands of medical professionals. I have heard a story or two of sewing a woman's outer labia shut and then ripping them open in a rape scene, or sewing the arms down to the sides, or in some cases sewing the mouth shut.

I'd love to laugh and say "oh yeah right, that's just people trying to shock each other on the internet" but... when friends of mine can produce pictures of the last time they've done it... well... I was compelled to scoot a few inches away on the couch to say the least.

So yes, if anyone has any personal experience with this... umm... what did you know about suturing/stitching before you started? How did you ensure the person's safety (not just from infection, but lasting tissue trauma)? And you know... any other questions I am forgetting to ask...
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RE: Stitching - 8/15/2005 9:30:28 AM   
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So yes, if anyone has any personal experience with this... umm... what did you know about suturing/stitching before you started? How did you ensure the person's safety (not just from infection, but lasting tissue trauma)? And you know... any other questions I am forgetting to ask...

OK I'm not sure how good the idea of RIPPING the stitches out would be, but certainly stitching does happen.

I'm not sure exactly what the Owners experiences in stitching were beforehand but I know he has done needle play and stitching extensively for years. Things are always relatively sterile, and straightforward. It's pretty much the same as normal stitching except there's no pressure to close a wound.

Piercing the skin is one of the best ways to get a huge endorphin rush with minimal, localized and precise damage to the body.

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RE: Stitching - 8/15/2005 9:56:08 AM   
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I have no experience outside the medical arena. Cutting, yes..but stitches no. Yep, I've heard of it on the internet as well. I believe the web site is BME or something like that as well. They are big into this stuff. A dom friend I know in Paris..is huge into it.

Yet, while I've observed him in the past I've never observed him doing anything dangerous.

Essentially the area should be numbed. Cleaned with some sort of antibacterial cleanser.
Painted actually. Then you stictch as you would stitch anything up. Antibacterial lotion goes on before the bandage.
Depends on the stitch on whether it will disintegrate on its own or it must be removed.

Yep, I know this is not BDSM but just a generic answer on stitching in general.
I stitched up my fingertip when I lost it a few weeks back. Not even a scar at the moment.

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RE: Stitching - 8/15/2005 10:00:34 PM   
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Any time you open your skin (intentionally or accidentally) you have a risk of infection. Your skin functions as a barrier to keep bad things out, so when you violate it, you run a risk.

That said, we do this all the time in medicine and the risk is minimal as long as you are very clean about it. To be honest there is less risk of infection if I place a suture into intact, pre-cleaned skin than if I do the same thing into traumatized skin which requires sutures for repair of injury.

Several caveats though:
1)There is some risk in this, you can't make it 0 by following scrupulous technique.
2)Most people do less than perfect technique (even if they are health care providers.)
3)This only applies to healthy people... if you are a diabetic, have heart valve disease, or any number of other problems, this is not necessarily as safe a sport for you, so you should talk with your doctor first.

With regards to technique, two small words of advice. First buy some hibicleanse (chlorhexidine.) Its a pink liquid soap available over the counter. Clean there area you are going to play with in the shower using hibicleanse as the soap. Really take a minute or two to soap and suds the area up. Then if you want to be really safe, use provodine iodine before playing. The deal with iodine is nobody ever does it right. You have to apply it and let the coat fully air dry for it to have a bacteriocidal effect. And its like painting your house... 2 or 3 coats is best, but you really have to let it dry between coats.

Unrelated but if you have any problems with recurrent skin infections, hibicleanse is the cure for plagues of boils.

Lastly don't suture yourself at home! First off, that is way more likely to get infected than piercing clean skin. Even done by health care providers, about 2% of repaired lacerations get infected. Just don't go there. You don't know how many home repair jobs I have to open up 2 days later when the thing is entirely pussed out. And then you are going to get a scar the size of Kansas. If you can't fix it with butterflies and tincture of benzoin, see someone to fix it for you. (But then I am the king of taping shit together with butterflies and benzoin. 6 inch gash? No prob!)

And the single most important thing that ¾ of people don't do before coming to see the doctor is just wash the cut for a minute under clean running water. Flush that puppy for 60 seconds at the time of injury and it is worth me irrigating it for 20 minutes an hour later. Even just upending your drink bottle of water over it if you are outside. The water doesn't have to be sterile, just clean.

Nick

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RE: Stitching - 8/15/2005 10:19:11 PM   
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I want to thank Nick for the time he has taken to give sound medical advice on numerous threads throughout the Health and Safety forum.

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RE: Stitching - 8/16/2005 2:16:21 AM   
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As do I, proudsub. It's fairly obvious he has a job in the medical community, as I will one of these days, and the advice is very good.

But I have a question that hopefully he will answer related to the OP. A good friend of mine is extremely aroused by the thought of sewing the mouth and/or eyelids shut during a scene for an intense form of sensory/vocal deprivation. Are there any dangers inherent to doing something in those areas or would the aforementioned precautions apply?

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RE: Stitching - 8/16/2005 9:02:44 AM   
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personally i do lots of medical scenes during play. i also have medical training, both with needles and sutures (both with human and animal patients). i suture mostly during CBT play with my male slaves, and usually it follows needle play. i practice my med scenes just as cautiously as i did when i worked in the hospital. i have never had anyone get infections or skin problems after the procedures, nor have i had mishaps with my needles. i have been doing med play a long time, and do not recommend trying it without medical background or heavy training. there's always a great deal of risk each time you perform any medical procedure. i have never sewn shut any oraphice of the body, or anything that extreme...i have done corset lacing along the back and chest, CBT suturing, and other needle play...but nothing super crazy. i just don't trust myself nor my patient to do that!




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RE: Stitching - 8/20/2005 5:42:18 PM   
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Both of those areas are way dangerous. I'm a board certified er physician and I wouldn't touch the eyes with a fifty foot pole. Just no no no... a thousand times no.

The mouth is still risky because oral wounds can get infected fairly badly... but the eyelids thing is just plain effing nuts.

Nick

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RE: Stitching - 8/21/2005 7:53:30 PM   
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OOOOUUUUCCCCHHHHH I didnt even know people done this. You asked how they ensure protecting the person I cant answer I dont see how you could 100% there is huge risk there so many I dont know where to start.

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