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How many switches......? - 12/7/2007 12:59:16 PM

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How many of those here that label themselves as switch would prefer a no labels title?

How many think that one should not limit their self as there is so much to experience and learn?

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/7/2007 1:56:26 PM

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What no changing light bulb joke? I'm very disappointed indeed.

Switch is the cover all label I use switch because it's the nearest match in the drop down list.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/7/2007 3:09:25 PM

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LOL I thought the same thing. No label is just another label. It would make no difference.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/7/2007 3:25:07 PM

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To me, labels are just tools. I change how I refer to myself according to my goals in the situation. And I prefer to use adjectives, rather than the nouns sub/dom/switch, I would more often say "I'm switchy", or "submissive to my Man, and dominant with his slave and most non-BDSM interactions." A noun seems more like a label, whereas an adjective is simply a trait, leaving room for other traits. YMMV

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/7/2007 3:44:24 PM

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I only use the word switch cause its the closest thing to describe in one word.

otherwise it be more like

well somedays i'm feeling like i want to submitt other days i want to the be the dominate one. Oh heres one person i love to submit to but not the other Dominate nope, and etc.

just like i use the word Bisexual when i'm really non gender specific usually.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/7/2007 4:38:32 PM

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I don't mind the label. I just wish it didn't so often cause people to think w can't be twue submissives or dominants. And although it is even more likely to be misinterpreted, I often just like "greedy slut". Pretty much, I love giving and getting sensations, with, from, and to any gender and I like power exchange, whether fluid or static, so greedy slut pretty much covers it. In any event, I use the word switch fairly often. I think that while the idea of "no labels" is appealing in some ways, really people just want lables to get a better sense of us. If we had no lables at all, conversations would get pretty muddled.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/7/2007 6:23:15 PM

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As I don flame proof material, It is my thought that what could be called a switch or something near to could even by an advanced level of thought in BDSM in that we think in both directions not one.

And yes, I did start the topic with that title thinking people would be looking for a joke.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/8/2007 12:06:14 AM

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I find switches very confusing. As a Dominant I don't know any switches that I relate to as dominant when they are in their Dom/me "mood." I find that other Dominants of both sexes think like I do and we "get" what the other one is saying with few words. I also find it mentally restful to be with Dominant friends because it's so easy.

I'm a Domme that most switches are submissive around. The reason I think that is so is because it seems I elicite submissiveness from switches because I am so comfortably what I am and they react to that submissively.

From my experience I have found that most switches are submissive identified by nature and then come out to Dom/me secondarily. I know many fewer Dominants that go "submissive" in switching. That's just my experience.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/8/2007 12:10:18 AM

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I find switches very confusing. As a Dominant I don't know any switches that I relate to as dominant when they are in their Dom/me "mood." I find that other Dominants of both sexes think like I do and we "get" what the other one is saying with few words. I also find it mentally restful to be with Dominant friends because it's so easy.

I'm a Domme that most switches are submissive around. The reason I think that is so is because it seems I elicite submissiveness from switches because I am so comfortably what I am and they react to that submissively.

From my experience I have found that most switches are submissive identified by nature and then come out to Dom/me secondarily. I know many fewer Dominants that go "submissive" in switching. That's just my experience.

MsKane ~

Go ask on the Mistress section how many of them are approached by Doms to be topped. I find your assumptions, assertions and stereotypes amazing. It may be why you are confused by switches.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/8/2007 12:52:08 AM

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"Go ask on the Mistress section how many of them are approached by Doms to be topped"

What does that have to do with anything I said about switches and my experience? Your bitterness and/or defensiveness speaks more about you than it does about me.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/8/2007 1:43:45 AM

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I'm honestly not even remotely close to bitter or defensive, however, my reply could have been worded better. I don't actually have an opinion about you other than that your experience as you relate it seems to be quite limited with regard to switches which might be what is causing the confusion. Read the threads here in the switch forum and those in the other forums about Dom/mes changing roles and you will see what I mean. However if you want to remain confused and believe that you can only relate to Dom/mes that is also your choice, although again a limited one.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/8/2007 2:43:31 AM

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"I don't actually have an opinion about you other than that your experience as you relate it seems to be quite limited with regard to switches which might be what is causing the confusion. Read the threads here in the switch forum and those in the other forums about Dom/mes changing roles and you will see what I mean. However if you want to remain confused and believe that you can only relate to Dom/mes that is also your choice, although again a limited one."

laurell3,
In fact, you seem to be projecting many of your own feelings upon what you "think" you know about me. My experience is anything but limited, for one. I am a 57 year old Domme who has lived this lifestyle for 25 years, privately and publicly. And if you will read my post without your bias, you see that I stated that "switches I know" always tend to be submissive around me. That first tells you that I know switches, and that I have switches around me. It also says that out of respect, or because I am so experienced or simply because I make switches feel submissive, they always tend to "choose" to be submissive around me. It's not my requirement! I've even had them say they've never felt so submissive to a FemDomme. So, as you see, my experiences WITH switches, some of which I have been close to as friends, have been extensive. But again, I will say, and you can judge it as you will, I have never been around a switch that I have the same experience with that I have with my Dominant Male and Female friends. That's my experience.

You judgement that I am closed to switches is ill judged and as I said, sounds more like your issue than mine. And, advising me to read an on-line forum to educate me about what I know and feel with the hundreds of real time lifestyle people I know won't give me more experience.

"Read the threads here in the switch forum and those in the other forums about Dom/mes changing roles and you will see what I mean."

And again, this sentence says nothing about anything I wrote. I didn't say Dom/mes don't switch, did I? If you are going to "take me on" then please at least give me correct and legitimate feedback to what I said that bothers you, because in two replies you still haven't done anything but project your being upset about something onto what you "think" I said. Maybe we'll both actually learn something if you'll quit confusing what I said with what you feel. Utoh, there's that c word that happens when I am around switches.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/8/2007 3:04:07 AM

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And P.S....please re-read that I did not say "I" am confused....I said, I find switches confusing. There is quite a difference.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/8/2007 5:43:31 AM

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No, you are confused... perhaps a good session as a sub would straighten you out...

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/8/2007 8:34:29 AM

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[IMHO]I’m always wanting to learn more about myself but I think does it really matter if two people have different ideas about what a switch is or isn’t? Does anyone have a switch certificate that states they have been independently verified as a switch? Until people care about defining things in such totalitarian way it matters not. I’ll call myself what I like and people can call me what they want.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/8/2007 4:11:48 PM

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[IMHO]I’m always wanting to learn more about myself but I think does it really matter if two people have different ideas about what a switch is or isn’t? Does anyone have a switch certificate that states they have been independently verified as a switch? Until people care about defining things in such totalitarian way it matters not. I’ll call myself what I like and people can call me what they want.[/IMHO]

Well said!!!

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/8/2007 4:16:57 PM

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I'm not "taking you on", projecting, I don't have a bias, I don't know you, I don't pretend to know you, and I have very little feeling about you or this thread and you don't know me or know any of those things about me. The fact you read all that into it suggests something that has nothing to do with me. This is a forum wherein we express our opinions. It is not personal. As I stated before, if you don't chose to educate yourself, that's your choice. Continue being confused about switches, which by the way is being in a state of confusion and confused. Semantics, your 25 years of experience, and your age are not paticularly relevant to a point to which you admit confusion, they are tactics that detract from the actual issue as are your comments on me personally which you cannot possibly have any basis of knowing.

I'm done. Do as you will, discussing with you seems pointless to me.
good luck
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RE: How many switches......? - 12/8/2007 8:39:15 PM

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Well I don't particularly mind the label. But if you asked me what I was, I would not use a label to describe myself. No I don't want to limit myself. Not because there is so much. but rather because I want to be whoever I am and limiting myself in that exploration, being self-limiting is not my way.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/10/2007 7:55:54 PM

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I think labels are a starting point. When I say I'm a switch, most people understand that I am not limited in my interests to just topping, just domming, just subbing, or just bottoming. That's enough of a starting point for me, and I like being able to convey that in one word.

I think if you take a word that describes you and then use it to limit yourself to only those activities, then you are very simply losing out on learning the difference between letting words define you, and letting words describe you.

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RE: How many switches......? - 12/10/2007 8:35:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CliarSiofra
just like i use the word Bisexual when i'm really non gender specific usually.

Hehe.. I haven't heard it phrased quite that way before. I am going to have to quote you on that one because that's the way i see it, too. Thanks! :)

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