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RE: hypnosis - 9/1/2005 1:48:55 PM

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Regarding injections, the commonly known "truth serums" are nothing more than psychohypnotics. Also, hallucinogenics have some psychohypnotic properties.

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RE: hypnosis - 9/1/2005 4:24:46 PM

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Regarding injections, the commonly known "truth serums" are nothing more than psychohypnotics. Also, hallucinogenics have some psychohypnotic properties.

Would you care to qualify that statement? Preferably with checkable web references. (Saves me searching through my texts and drug references)

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RE: hypnosis - 6/15/2006 4:29:37 PM

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Verced is a good drug for hypnotic purposes. So is a sterile hypo injection with proper waking suggestion.

I disagree with the statement that beginners are less problematic than pros. Either can be easier to deal with than the other depending on what way you want to look at the problem.

A beginner can/will cause problems. Althought they are usually fairly simple, they can also be quite pervasive, and quite hard to fix if you come at the problem from a wrong perspective.

Professionals can do a lot of damage, but the work tends to be cleaner. As such, it is usually easier to iron out of the subject. Or it could be extremely detailed, and well integrated into the psyche, which is interesting to unravel(gives one good insight into the mind of the offending hypnotist).

It's remarkably easy to put people into a hypnotically useful state against their will, and as such I will not mention any methods for doing so. I will however mention that I find it is easier to get people to perform anti-social acts in the waking state than in the hypnotic. Although, hypnotic methods can be used to amplify the effect, or as a substitute for any of the ways of doing this that I am thinking of.

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RE: hypnosis - 6/16/2006 9:40:29 AM

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Binural Beats are very good for getting someone into the mindset before hypnosis.
Especially women as the female brain is more receptive to binural beats.

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RE: hypnosis - 6/16/2006 6:20:09 PM

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I know this is the "ask the Masters" forum, but if this girl could give her two bits (and not the ones I keep in my clothing :P )

I've had experience with a Master using hypnosis. Several of the things he's done have been little more than pressure-point suggestions, although that sounds tame, YOU have someone press the area just below your thumb in public and immediately cum, trying to do so quietly to yourself.

I go under rather easily (I knew this before He started, as I'd done hypno-therapy before) however, there are risks.

I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks, and there has been at least one occasion where I woke MYSELF up because of an attack. Normally to find myself waking up from hypnosis with Him half naked and in another position would not be alarming, however, in the panic-attack state (which is an increase in the adrenaline in your bloodstream, followed by a severe fight-or-flight response) it was rather scary.

He has also used hypnosis in non-play situations as well, to give me a "safe place" to go in my head when I'm stressed or during my attacks, that allows me to deal with these things in a mental environment he has made feel secure for me.

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RE: hypnosis - 10/28/2006 9:55:55 PM

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According to NLP we go into trances many times throughout the day. Trances are supposedly normal states of consciousness, and i don't think there is a whole lot of mystery to hypnosis...i agree with KnighRaven, it seems it would be more dangerous with a very skilled practitioner who is intending to manipulate rather than with a relatively amateur but caring and well meaning hypnotist. i mean, i've read a few books and used self hypnosis all the time, and i'm not trained. As far as i can tell, i haven't done any damage to myself.

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RE: hypnosis - 10/28/2006 10:25:17 PM

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We are constantly hypnotizing ourselves without even realizing it. A book called "Monsters and Magical Sticks" was a very interesting study, and proof to me of such a fact. Im not really a big believer in hypnotism except in the way it is explained in this book. A really really eye-opening read.

As far as nlp, in and of itself it can be used as an amazing tool of influence in the hands of someone who knows how to observe it, alter it and then use it to get someone following their own patterns, but I don't see how this is at all something akin to hypnosis. In my mind, it really has nothing to do with hypnosis, as you don't need to be hypnotized in order to use NLP techniques. In fact, I would think you would want your subject in a clear state of mind. Though I could be wrong. I don't hold myself out as an expert by any means.

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RE: hypnosis - 10/29/2006 8:44:18 AM

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Originally and until relatively recently, in order to be recognised as a Hypnotherapist or Medical Hypnotist, you were required by the Government to be either a Medical Doctor or a Dentist. Now provided you have completed the suitable training with an accredited facility you can gain legal recognition as a Hypnotherapist.

I am an accredited Hypnotherapist although I rarely practice as one. My reasons are personal and ethical but certainly it is one of my techniques, which I can use within my practice as a Counsellor/Therapist. I’ve lost count of the people I’ve seen hypnotised at parties and the corresponding shirt I’ve had to clean up and deprogram the “victim”. In The Hands Of A Trained Professional, Hypnotism can work wonders. It is NOT a party game no matter what the “Showmen” who supposedly use it in their shows on stage or TV, will tell you. It can be the ultimate Mind Fuck and I’ve seen it all done even using mind altering drugs etc.. If you want the ULTIMATE MIND FUCK… Contact me with US$750,000 cash and make sure that your Will, Medical Insurance and Funeral Plan is paid up and we’ll fly from there.. It will be the ultimate trip from which no person returns in a sane or even human condition….. You don’t want this? Then leave hypnotism alone and in the hands of trained practitioners.

Sir, I have 2 question's please.

Can you hypnotise someone over the phone? And are there people who just can't be hypnotised?

Thank you for your time.

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RE: hypnosis - 10/29/2006 8:49:23 AM

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The only thing dangerous about hypnosis is that it doesn't work, and people thinking that it does.

They'll go to a "hypnotheropist" to "fix" them when they should see a doctor for whatever their troubles are.

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RE: hypnosis - 10/29/2006 10:32:21 AM

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I will be one for you but not on Yahoo how about on here. Some Dom contacted me told me he was a hypnotists and could releive me of my inhibitions over the phone. I said "Yeah right!! In the first place I can't be hypnotized in the second, I don't want my inhibition removed this way thank you," he said "Oh do as your Master says" I'm thinking "F#@*You you are NOT my Master." To make a long story short he goes through the process of telling me to relax to listen to his voice that I will drift off to sleep. Then he proceeds to tell me he will have orgasm control over me with a key word, and whenever he says that word I will cum but I will not remember any of the sleepiness at all I will wake up refreshed and feel good. Well I went along with it, and pretended to cum. I asked him if he did any tricks on me he said no he was not that kind of person,

Yeah Right LIAR.!! well eventually I got tired of playing his game and hung up the phone. He has since changed his name on here it was XXXXXXXX. He said he was a liscensed and Bd certified hypnotherapists he is a Flake, and uses it to me falsely. I do not think I can be hypnotised though. I have had several others contact me about him and I guess he is getting a bad rep even outside this community. That is his problem I just say beware of anyone who wants to try those tricks on you, unless you ask for it first.

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RE: hypnosis - 10/30/2006 9:44:36 AM

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I would be extremely cautious about letting anyone inject me with anything. Only my doctor (or the nurse) gets to do that.

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RE: hypnosis - 10/30/2006 7:43:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: patina

Sir, I have 2 question's please.

Can you hypnotise someone over the phone? And are there people who just can't be hypnotised?

Thank you for your time.

Patina

Yes. No. There are people who can't be hypnotised in certain situations or certain times by practitioners with only a certain level of skill/finesse.

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RE: hypnosis - 10/31/2006 1:16:30 AM

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I don't understand why hypnosis is talked about like its an actuality. There is no such thing as hypnosis. Its like a placebo...the effect is as only good as the subject allows. Performance art at its best.

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RE: hypnosis - 10/31/2006 5:10:54 AM

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I am not sure why just because you say YOU dont believe in it.. it doesnt exist...

there are all kinds of things in life that I may not believe in..but I do not deny the possibilities :)

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RE: hypnosis - 10/31/2006 5:48:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

........hypnotize someone .....(edited out. All can read above)

And respectfully, what are your qualifications to make such statements?

You too are posting dangerous inaccurate information, making it easier for those so inclined to abuse hypnosis to do so.

Why do people insist on posting information they are misinformed about that can harm others, as if it is fact, and as if they know what they are talking about?

WARNING! Hypnosis CAN be abused, and IS abused every day by people inclined to abuse others in whatever way they can. There are people who get involved with hypnosis play EVERY DAY who regret it because of the concequences.

And you're doing what to promote safe hypnotism other than to create a stink about how daaaaangerous it is.

Coming soon: hypnotism takes over the Appendix chapter in BDSM101 that used to be Jay's narrative on breath control......

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RE: hypnosis - 10/31/2006 6:55:54 AM

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LOL,

JaySUS!!!! This is THAT thread? I thought the idea was that the conversation had passed into history................

This is Halloween alright, Lovely MisPandora--- talk about the reappearance of the undead..............................

LOLOLOLOL,

Boo!

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RE: hypnosis - 11/1/2006 6:52:27 AM

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wow ... everyone all worked

an no place to go ... well you know i have to jump in with my 2 cents

Honestly i didn't believe in it either ...

and i don't think not believing

doesn't make something or not

but after a second look and alot of

encouragement from a friend i do believe it now.

I think like other things in life ... its the person doing the act that it boils down to

if the person has the right intentions then its good

i can say a friend who has worked with alot of people

who showed me self hypnosis

and i can get 6 hours of sleep

so to him i will say thank you

but i agree ... its the trust

and if there is no trust ... don't do it ...

just my 2 pennys

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RE: hypnosis - 11/1/2006 7:32:10 PM

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To start this post I'd just like to thank you for making an effort at using hypnosis to change my mind on the subject of the actuality of hypnosis, and I'd also like to thank you for bringing into this conversation the subject of what's referred to as the 'placebo effect'.

Could you explain to me what the placebo effect is? Have you ever heard of a doctor giving a sterile hypo? Do you know what a sterile hypo is? Have you ever heard of waking hypnosis or waking suggestion? Has anyone ever told you to not think of what it would feel like to find yourself becoming more and more relaxed with each breath as you continue to read this post? And, whatever you do, don't imagine your car enough to be able to see what color it is without having to go and look at the actual car. Did you make a mental picture of your car? What color is your car? How do you know? Wait.. don't tell me.. you just know?.. and I just know that you didn't not make a mental picture of your car!

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RE: hypnosis - 11/1/2006 9:37:07 PM

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Tyku and Iron Bear, I still appreciate your posts.

Paradoxy, I'd be curious to find where you got that ax to grind.

Can hypnotism be abused? Of course it can! Does it allow people to be more suggestible and able to focus control over their body to do "extraordinary" things (control bleeding or control/alter/enhance/block sensations, create rigidity or catalepsy) sure it can. Can it lower inhibitions or create a feeling of well-being through the natural release of endorphins and neuro-transmitters that bathe the brain and in particular, the Corpus Collosum? Well, by definition, that's what it does!

But, baring drugs am I less in control in hypnosis than I am if I’m bound? No Effing Way!

The difference between hypnosis and S&M is that the hypnotized subject has the ability to emerge at will, whereas once I am bound without safety releases accessible by Me, I am helpless to the whims of those around Me.

Referring back to Post #19, Hypnotist4u, Would someone emerge if the sensation of pain is blocked and they are abused? Quite probably not, but that's not because they were allowing the abuse because of hypnotism, it's because their pain recognition was interrupted, allowing the abuse to occur.

People are abused through hypnotism, not because hypnotism is dangerous, but because an abuser found a victim. In S&M, the responsibility for safety has an external locus: the person or people controlling the environment. In hypnotism, the responsibility for safety has an internal locus. While it is nice when the responsibility for safety is shared, it ultimately is the subject's responsibility to maintain their safety. If they are tricked or abused while hypnotized, it is because they were taken advantage of... something that happens in the waking state, all the time.

I am sorry people have been burned, beaten, or financially whacked through hypnotism. But, gosh dang it people, this is a BDSM site. 80% or more of the people here are going, "That is so cool." There is not a single "DANGER" of hypnosis that various Dom/mes don't brag that they will do to their submissives or slaves in their normal waking state, and dozens of various submissives and slaves intimate that they are seeking the same.

This is a fetish site. Many of those fetishes have a potential for injury. Of all of those dangerous fetishes, hypnotism, in and of itself does not make the subject helpless. Any compromise to personal safety is acquiesced to by the subject. In and of itself, I am in less danger being hypnotized than I am if I allow Myself to be restrained, have My breathing restricted, drink to personal excess, or experience the effects of a drug. Why, because with hypnotism, the responsibility for My safety remains with Me.

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RE: hypnosis - 11/3/2006 3:13:10 PM

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I once posted a comment that hypnosis can be dangerous and that one can be made to do things one would not normally be willing to do or morally acceptant of. I got slammed by several people who seemed to agree with you that hypnosis is harmless. I assure you that in the hands of one who is knowledgeable in hypnosis, a person can be manipulated to do damn near anything the operative wishes.

I totally agree with Hypnotist4u, it can be a powerful tool and be sadly abused by one who knows what he is doing with it. I have personally proved it to myself, and in no way do I claim to be an expert hypnotist. Please be careful advising others about the "seeming harmlessness" of such a thing as hypnosis. Just because you personally have not had someone take you where you didn't want to go doesn't remotely mean that it cannot be done!

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