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Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/10/2007 12:56:59 PM

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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=3977702&page=2

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RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/10/2007 1:52:30 PM

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The country we were spoon fed about as children never existed. People who have two cars in the garage and a fat paycheck don't question where it comes from. People who rock the boat too much get chucked out of it.

Our beloved land of the free has been murdering, raping, brutalizing, and degrading other people since 1776. They just didn't have reporters capturing it on video tape quite the way they do now.

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RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/10/2007 2:30:51 PM

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The country we were spoon fed about as children never existed. People who have two cars in the garage and a fat paycheck don't question where it comes from. People who rock the boat too much get chucked out of it.

My thoughts fall along these lines also.

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RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/10/2007 3:42:21 PM

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Asked what reasons the departments gave for the apparent slowness of the probes, Poe sounded frustrated.

NOTE: He's talking about the probes into how to bring the contractors into the jurisdiction of some form of legal system.

Having been a contractor in Iraq, I know all too well the how and why.

The how is simple, government contractors aren't under the jurisdiction of the Unified Code of Military justice as are service men and direct employees of the government. The security and ordnance disposal contractors that were so desperately needed from the very start of the conflict didn't want to undertake anything except the least riskey of job unless they had immunity from Iraqi courts (for obvious reasons). The Iraqi government granted them that immunity to get the job done. Thus, you have a place where no courts or system of laws have jurisdiction and the companies must be self policing. They are very strict because they know they will loose their contracts if they aren't, but they are also quick to cover up events and fire everyone who was involved (victims as well perputrators.)

The why it's stayed like this is also quite simple. The people who would be the one's to run it up the flag pole and push for it to happen have taken advantage of the immunity. They have requested contractors to do favors for them. Things that would send them to jail under the UCMJ if they were caught, but the contractors can get away with it and the contractors are more than happy to do such favors for the people who are hiring them. There have been several examples of U.S. intelligence taking a prisoner who didn't want to talk to a contractor held security check point and asking for the contractors to "watch him" while they went to get lunch. They come back from lunch and the guy is suddenly more talkative.

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RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/10/2007 4:03:20 PM

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The US Military has never been intended to serve as an occupational force. We're simply not conquerer minded. We much rather kill people who won't deal with us directly, and put in native strongmen. We also don't have a clue how things work in foreign cultures, and care less.

Thus Iraq is unique, in that we aren't actually 'warring' with the country. Yet at the same time, we're deeply involved in an undefined (but politically sanctioned) 'war.' Bush clearly doesn't wish to assume responsibility for these atrocities as commander-in-chief, so passes the buck on to corporations who have no legal responsibility to anyone.

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RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/10/2007 4:20:41 PM

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The US Military has never been intended to serve as an occupational force.

IMO, you REALLY nailed it with that comment. Our military has focused on the symetrical battlefield and fighting the conventional war. We are OUTSTANDING at that and our performance during GW1 as well as GW2 demonstrates how nasty we are in a stand up fight.

We were totally unprepared to perfom the most difficult of tasks....national building. Our troops weren't trained for it, we have a very limited number of the specialty units that are required, and we didn't take the development of insurgency organizations seriously.

Now we are bringing our forces up to speed on HOW to operate in this kind of environment, but the insurgencies are well organized, trained (some of them VERY well trained), and very well equipped.

We had a window of opportunity in 2004 and we totally blew it. The current surge is working and I hope it is enough to make it happen.

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RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/10/2007 4:45:03 PM

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Every day it seems I wake up to a new story that makes me wonder what happened to the country I thought I grew up in. Did my country never exist in the first place, a product of equal parts political indoctrination and fantasy? Or are these days actually different and far worse than ever before? Is this how it all ends under our watch? The thugs just win and walk off snickering into the night jingling their loose change and talking shit about what we let them get away with?

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I think we are just learning about things that have always gone on. We live in an information age. Everyone has a blog, even people in war-torn countries. Communication has become very easy thanks to the internet and 24 hour cable news.

Corruption, greed, abuse of power, dishonesty, atrocities..... these are things that all civilizations have been struggling with for thousands of years. It's nothing new. Humanity has always had these problems with their governments. And the US no stranger to these things. Corruption in American government goes back to its very founding. In the 1800s, there was all sorts of shenanigans. Look what we did with the Indian tribes. President Andrew Jackson (founder of the modern Democratic party) killed someone in a duel. President Grant was involved in bank and train robberies. And Lincoln was no honest Abe. He probably told more lies during his campaigning than Bill Clinton has in his whole life.

The trend is that as one gains more education and knowledge of history, they become more critical of their government. That is true everywhere, not just America. And there is a reason for that.... And that's why in oppressive regimes, they try to limit high levels of academia to the elite. That is what the Soviet Union did.

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RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/10/2007 5:53:30 PM

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Well its basically the same shit we were doing in nam.   Nam was nothing more than a way to prop up the economy, iraq is the same, only this time we can celebrate the communion of several groups.

The military industrial complex, oil, politics, and media.

What did happen to that "war on theft"?   Remember the 2.3 TRILLION dollars that rummy announced missing on SEP 10th 2001?

Yes that is trillion with a T that the military misplaced.   You dont suppose the timing of that announcemt is significant do you? :)

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RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/10/2007 9:42:45 PM

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Every day it seems I wake up to a new story that makes me wonder what happened to the country I thought I grew up in. Did my country never exist in the first place, a product of equal parts political indoctrination and fantasy?

Bingo.

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Or are these days actually different and far worse than ever before? Is this how it all ends under our watch? The thugs just win and walk off snickering into the night jingling their loose change and talking shit about what we let them get away with?

I'd say that this current band of thugs is a bit more arrogant and transparent than those in the past.

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RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/11/2007 7:42:51 AM

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haliburtin is hiring. remember how we planned to end the contracts? we changed our minds. it was on yesderdays democracy now.

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RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/11/2007 4:17:46 PM

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Seems like the military and private contractors plan for *everything.*
Almost everything.
Even the French Foreign Legion sends along hookers for the guys.
Would it be such a "burden" for them to provide for our Troops and contractors sexual needs?
If they'd done a proper job things like this wouldn't happen.

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RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/11/2007 4:35:32 PM

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Seems like the military and private contractors plan for *everything.*
Almost everything.
Even the French Foreign Legion sends along hookers for the guys.
Would it be such a "burden" for them to provide for our Troops and contractors sexual needs?
If they'd done a proper job things like this wouldn't happen.

Are you kidding?????

You can't even buy a Playboy or a Cosmopolitan magazine through AAFES (the organization that runs the Base Exchanges and Post Exchanges......e.g. the military's version of Walmart.)

However, you can by condoms and sultry undies. In short, you can't look at it but you can purchase items to help you do it.

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RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Govt Rape Cover-up - 12/11/2007 4:55:19 PM

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with each new revelation of abuse of power and government cover-ups as a result of illegal and unconstitutional activities, i lose more and more faith in my own government. i think this caps everything off for me.

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Wait, there's more... (was RE: Halliburton/KBR/U.S. Gov... - 12/11/2007 6:35:16 PM

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"Hersh: children raped at Abu Ghraib, Pentagon has videos"
http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/15/hersh-children-raped.html

" Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

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