'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site

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stacee -> 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/11/2007 10:51:47 PM)
this actually happened a few months earlier, but I wanted to get your thoughts. How do you defend yourself in situations like this, it seems the law is not on the Dom's side...:). I mean she did agree to be his slave, could she have meant sub, but maybe misspelled it in her agreement? ;). Hmmm... The Associated PressPublished: September 7, 2007 NEW YORK: A man dubbed an "S&M Svengali" by the tabloids was sentenced to nine years in prison Friday for abusing a woman he photographed for his sadomasochism Web site. Glenn Marcus, 53, was found guilty in March in Brooklyn federal court of sex trafficking and forced labor. He was acquitted of obscenity. Using graphic photos of the bound and beaten victim, prosecutors had argued that Marcus crossed the boundaries of both civilized society and the S&M community by holding her against her will. Jurors heard the victim describe how, after meeting Marcus over the Internet in 1998 and agreeing to become one of his "slaves," he systematically degraded her by shaving her head, branding the initial "G" on her buttocks and carving "Slave" on her stomach during liaisons in homes in Maryland, Washington, D.C., New York City and on suburban Long Island. The defense had argued Marcus and the victim had a "contract" to engage in a master-slave relationship. While potentially offensive to the general public, the defense said it was consensual and even pleasurable to the participants.

laurell3 -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/11/2007 11:00:41 PM)
This part of the story suggests to me this is not consensual bdsm: Jodi testified at trial that she consented to the relationship with Marcus from 1998, after she met him over the Internet, until October 1999, after she had moved to Maryland to live with another of Marcus' "slaves." Part of her duties was to build and maintain Marcus' Web site, which included photos of her being abused. On one visit in October, Marcus handcuffed Jodi to a wall, but she tried to leave after she convinced another woman to release her. Marcus was alerted and had her put on the wall again. He stuffed a whiffle ball inside her mouth, shut her lips with surgical needles, and placed a hood over her head before whipping her with a cane and having sex with her. He then handcuffed her to a flat board and continued to brutalize her. She testified against him that it was not consentual. What part about her trying to leave and him sewing her lips shut makes you think he deserves any protection? Contracts mean nothing other than their significance to the people in the relationship.

AquaticSub -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/11/2007 11:47:38 PM)
Of course the law isn't on the dom's side. She tried to leave and he wouldn't let her. That's kidnapping and, quite frankly, I don't think that law should be changed. I don't think any dom or master worth serving needs to physically keep their subs/slaves from leaving. They won't want to. Agreeing to be his slave doesn't mean shit in court, just as being someone's girlfriend doesn't mean you have to do anything for them legally. I don't know about the rest of this mess, it's been going on for quite awhile, but he shouldn't have stopped from her leaving - should have packed her bag and set her out on the doorstep.

thetammyjo -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/12/2007 5:19:16 AM)
You are completely correct. While we may indeed feel we have power and authority in our DS dynamics, a dominant needs to remember that her power and authority is only a matter of mutual consent and respect. At any time the sub partner can withdraw that consent and the legal system in the USA will be on the sub's side. I agree with the other two responses so far: it should be on the side of whomever has withdrawn consent. I say this for both partners, not just the sub. Don't confuse your scene with social and legal rights or acceptance.

Alumbrado -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/12/2007 6:54:33 AM)
quote: How do you defend yourself in situations like this, it seems the law is not on the Dom's side...:). Why would anyone put themselves in the position of being a kidnapper and rapist by forcing themselves on someone who has withdrawn consent? And why would anyone try to defend it? Do you seriously want the law to not be on the victim's side?

SailingBum -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/12/2007 7:31:04 AM)
I don't get the point of this post. The guy was trampeling her freedom. BadOne

Shawn1066 -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/12/2007 12:34:22 PM)
He should have gotten more than 9 years. The moment consent is withdrawn...it's no better than rape.

MsIncontrol -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/13/2007 11:59:11 AM)
Sadly, I am familiar with this person and know of another woman who was abused, raped and permanently disfigured by this person. Thankfully she was able to get out before he could do more damage. I wish he received a much more harsh sentence and only wish the scores of other women who were also abused, raped and kidnapped by him would have been physically and emotionally available to testify. The person I am familiar with couldn't step forward without fear. She was under this man's control from 1996 to 1998 and bares his "G" branding and several other scars. I actually have a copy of the contract my friend signed with this monster. Although this contract may be different..she did sign over all rights and the contract is about 25 pages long and very well and thoroughly written. While I agree no one can consent to the level of abuse these women faced, it was made very clear in the contract.

DesFIP -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/18/2007 11:57:56 AM)
The contracts aren't legal. This case was written up in the Daily News, tailor made for a tabloid. She withdrew consent when he ordered her to get her sister to agree to be his slave. She withdrew consent when she applied for a job as a teacher and told him she wanted the photos down and she was done with him. His response was to blackmail her to stay and get her sister to join or else he would send the photos to the board of ed. At that point she went to her lawyer who contacted the authority. They couldn't prove the blackmail but they did prove a lot.

topcat -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/19/2007 10:39:56 AM)
I am NOT condoning rape, or saying that what happened was in anyway SS&C BUT Looking at a lot of the time timeline involved, there are alot of things that shouldn't have been considered in the case. Many of the events that were protrayed as non consentual occured months and years before any complaint was made. I have a bit of an issue with retro-rape claims in cases like this...

teal -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/19/2007 7:53:21 PM)
"NO" .......might end a relationship. i am sub, not slave, but even if i agreed to a slave relationship, while i may be agreeing to no rights IN the relationship, one ALWAYS has the right to END that relationship. Prior actions be damned, once she wanted to leave, he had no right to stop her. That's what i see here.

HisRayne -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/19/2007 8:09:25 PM)
My thoughts are simple...this "dom" is in no way different then any other abusive man who has no concept of the meaning of the word no.he deserved MUCH MORE then the little amount of time he got.

Alumbrado -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/19/2007 10:03:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsIncontrol I actually have a copy of the contract my friend signed with this monster. Although this contract may be different..she did sign over all rights and the contract is about 25 pages long and very well and thoroughly written. From a legal standpoint, people cannot 'realy have someone sign over all rights, nor write a contract which will hold up in such matters (no matter how many details they put in it), when it violates the most basic principles of contract law.

ShibariJon -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/20/2007 2:33:46 AM)
A dungeon does not a dominant make and any "slave contract" that includes a model release form for the rights to any and all photographs becoming the property of the "dom" has nothing to do with DS but more like business. His actions are a slur on every real Dom out there.

bipolarber -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/20/2007 5:22:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: topcat I am NOT condoning rape, or saying that what happened was in anyway SS&C BUT Looking at a lot of the time timeline involved, there are alot of things that shouldn't have been considered in the case. Many of the events that were protrayed as non consentual occured months and years before any complaint was made. I have a bit of an issue with retro-rape claims in cases like this... I don't think it was a case of pressing charges on old actions. Rather, all those actions were brought up to establish that he had a long history of abusive behavior... Obviously, the blackmail had a limit. She might be embarassed and "outed" by going to the cops, but the the creep is now going to be spending time. With luck, he'll be on the recieving end of his own behavior, being made the cellblock "bitch". Maybe even end up with someone running the gears on him with a homemade shiv.

MisPandora -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/20/2007 12:28:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stacee this actually happened a few months earlier, but I wanted to get your thoughts. How do you defend yourself in situations like this, it seems the law is not on the Dom's side...:). I mean she did agree to be his slave, could she have meant sub, but maybe misspelled it in her agreement? ;). Hmmm... The court didn't give a flying fuck what his "agreement" said. The word sub or slave is meaningless to a court. She tried to leave, therefore the activities that transpired thereafter were non-consensual. She withdrew her consent, plain and simple. When are people going to get it through their thick skulls that our stupid little "contracts" don't mean a hill of beans in a court of law when in many states, it's technically illegal therefore impossible to give consent to an assault on your person.

MisPandora -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/20/2007 12:31:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: topcat Looking at a lot of the time timeline involved, there are alot of things that shouldn't have been considered in the case. Many of the events that were protrayed as non consentual occured months and years before any complaint was made. I have a bit of an issue with retro-rape claims in cases like this... So, am I hearing you say that you also have problems with a woman who claims abuse after being tormented mentally and physically by her husband for ten years and only finally gets out of it when given an opportunity or has a moment of bravery and clarity? shakes head

bschwimmer -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/20/2007 1:16:29 PM)
do we have theres photos?

laurell3 -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/20/2007 1:19:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MisPandora quote: ORIGINAL: stacee this actually happened a few months earlier, but I wanted to get your thoughts. How do you defend yourself in situations like this, it seems the law is not on the Dom's side...:). I mean she did agree to be his slave, could she have meant sub, but maybe misspelled it in her agreement? ;). Hmmm... The court didn't give a flying fuck what his "agreement" said. The word sub or slave is meaningless to a court. She tried to leave, therefore the activities that transpired thereafter were non-consensual. She withdrew her consent, plain and simple. When are people going to get it through their thick skulls that our stupid little "contracts" don't mean a hill of beans in a court of law when in many states, it's technically illegal therefore impossible to give consent to an assault on your person. Agreed and actually said contract might be good evidence to prove intent and convict. The fact that an allegation may be several months old means nothing as long as it's within the statute of limitations, which in many states may not even apply to rape.

Aswad -> RE: 'S&M Svengali' sentenced to 9 years in prison for abusing woman he photographed for Web site (12/21/2007 5:01:42 PM)
I don't know... There's something odd about admitting document, stating that the parties have signed it willingly, then throw out one party's accountability for it. When did we stop being responsible adults, able to make our own choices and accept consequences that follow from said choices? Not saying this guy was sensible, but 9 years seems harsh if she's actually agreed to it up front, even though she changed her mind later. Seems a bit arbitrary that you can agree to irreversible and unnecessary surgery, but can't agree to something like this. Anyway, I dunno... if she *didn't* sign it willingly, that's a different matter. (Before anyone comments on that, I wasn't talking about the legality, but the principle of it.) Health, al-Aswad.

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