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Modern slavers - 12/12/2007 7:10:03 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		Robots, are they not just slaves?

Is the many millions of whatever currency and technical thought employed in robots just a human need for something to work for us and do what it is told, basically a modern and socially acceptable slave?

The slave trade was outlawed in the western world, is this going to be another slave trade, buying and selling human like machines to do as they are told, what happens if and when a machine gains intellegence of it's own, free thought, the ability to decide for itself, will it then still be a slave to be bought and sold?

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RE: Modern slavers - 12/12/2007 7:22:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Have you read "I, Robot" by Isaac Asimov? I think the premise of the book deals with some of your speculations, although it's been years since I've read it. =)

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RE: Modern slavers - 12/12/2007 8:02:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Robots, are they not just slaves?

Is the many millions of whatever currency and technical thought employed in robots just a human need for something to work for us and do what it is told, basically a modern and socially acceptable slave?

The slave trade was outlawed in the western world, is this going to be another slave trade, buying and selling human like machines to do as they are told, what happens if and when a machine gains intellegence of it's own, free thought, the ability to decide for itself, will it then still be a slave to be bought and sold?


Nope. Anymore then a cloths-washer is a slave.

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RE: Modern slavers - 12/12/2007 8:08:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, technically and from a word definition (dictionary) POV - a washing machine is a slave.
 
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RE: Modern slavers - 12/12/2007 8:09:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gardenista

Have you read "I, Robot" by Isaac Asimov? I think the premise of the book deals with some of your speculations, although it's been years since I've read it. =)


I believe that is correct. When the robots start to feel, as in Blade Runner with the "replicants" that is when the line between man and machine start to blur and the mindset of slave started to impact the robot and replicants.

They started to rebel because they felt independent of their owner/inventors.

You can even take it a step further and look at 2001:A Space Odyssey with our friend HAL.

Can you tell I am in a movie mode?

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RE: Modern slavers - 12/12/2007 8:31:43 AM   
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Well, technically and from a word definition (dictionary) POV - a washing machine is a slave.
 
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  My point,exactly.Thank you.
 
Does anyone remember the panacea that robots were supposed to be?
 
Yes, they do good things,like dangerous/un-healthy work in paint-booths and under-ground mining,as well as handling bombs and dangerous materials.
 
But they have also stolen jobs,and replaced workers, over the years.,thus having  negative influence on us as well.
 
Any thoughts on that?

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RE: Modern slavers - 12/12/2007 8:47:23 AM   
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RE: Modern slavers - 12/12/2007 10:08:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Robots, are they not just slaves?


Rights come from their Creator.

We created them, we determine their rights.



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RE: Modern slavers - 12/12/2007 10:42:31 AM   
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RE: Modern slavers - 12/12/2007 10:53:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Until such time as they decide they wish to no longer follow your rights?
 
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Then we turn some of them to salt… if that doesn’t work we make it rain for 40 days and nights…maybe it will short them out. Make them march in the desert for a few years that will do wonders for their innards.

If all the above fails then make them feel guilty for enjoying life’s pleasures…maybe a good portion will commit suicide.

Butch

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RE: Modern slavers - 12/12/2007 1:44:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		This discussion usually revolves around simulated humans - robots that would display awareness and feelings analogous to our own and easily recognizable by us. More likely, truly self-aware machines would not have or express "feelings" in any way we would recognise.

The computers we use today are made with the assistance of computers that were themselves made with the assistance of earlier generations of computers. It has been generations of humans and computers since we have actually built logic circuits ourselves. I suspect that the self aware machines of the future will have inner workings which are not directly accessible or comprehensible by us, having been made by machines we already barely understand.

In "Terminal Cafe" Ian Macdonald introduced an internet based creature which arose spontaneously from mutations in roving viruses and similar self-serving programs. While this djin (if I remember his term correctly) has tremendous power it also has the emotional maturity of a two year old - scary combo.


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