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Gags - 7/6/2004 6:55:52 PM   
Morghan


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I have a boy who is very much into extreme, locking, inescapable bondage. One aspect of this that presents a problem is the gag. Solid ones can often be pushed out partly or entirely, and the inflatables I've seen are not shaped to conform to the mouth, and so they either do an inadequate job or they put pressure on some parts of the mouth and barely reach others. Any suggestions for good, solid, perhaps mouth-shaped gags? Inflatable is a plus in my book, but if no such thing exists, maybe its time to go into the manufacturing biz!

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RE: Gags - 7/6/2004 7:30:28 PM   
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.use the nose/throat connection to the mouth peice so that
when the tempt to push it out is done it pulls on the back
throat and inner nose.





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RE: Gags - 7/7/2004 1:17:52 AM   
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There are inflatable gags.

I've had gags I was unable to push out.

However there is no gag that exists that can shut me up. LOL!

I can talk around those things and all they do is make me drool or muffle me. They don't even cut down the volume.

I used to mock-threaten about learning to throw my voice way back when - but yanno there's just no reall need to LOL cuz I can talk just fine.

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RE: Gags - 7/15/2004 3:00:43 PM   
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Have you considered an inflatible butterfly gag? I don't own one but they're supposed to be pretty effective and "mouth shaped".

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RE: Gags - 7/15/2004 3:54:41 PM   
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I had seen a ponie in a Video that had a rubbr horse bit with some kind of mouth guard on it. It was part of the head gear and I thought it was pretty much effective. So have you thought about getting a Mouth guard like they use in foot ball. So you can have him to bite down on then lock his jaw like a harness so he could not open his mouth. I have used it on couple of subs I had.

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RE: Gags - 7/16/2004 2:05:00 PM   
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We have a bit gag. True you cannot get it out it is firmly strapped into the mouth. Only problem is I can still talk with it on. Not sure if that is an issue or not.
Also, drooling is a serious problem with the bit gags. I can also open my mouth much larger than the gag...which I guess could be a plus?

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RE: Gags - 10/28/2004 12:47:35 PM   
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a pump gag that is put together with a buckling cover does wonders!



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RE: Gags - 10/28/2004 1:09:15 PM   
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I've always prefered a nice dental gag. http://www.medicaltoys.com/whiteheadgag.htm

I rarely use anything but that, my funnel gag, and one of three hard rubber ball gags of varying sizes.

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RE: Gags - 12/25/2004 11:39:06 PM   
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I wear a locking trainer gag. I can't talk at all in it or move it around. There are leather straps all over it and can be locked on. One strap goes over my head and locks in the back, there is a strap on each side and a buckle under my chin. I love it and it does the trick. It has a post with a ball on the end and my tounge always goes under it preventing me from saying a word. I would never use anything else. Contact me for a pic if you would like one.

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RE: Gags - 1/1/2005 1:01:46 PM   
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Happy New Year Morghan !
50 years of practice has shown me that, in my opinion, nothing compares to the variety, intensity and creativity of the Cloth Gag.
Gags fashioned of cloth can range from a simple "muffler", through discipline, punishment, even torture depending on the style.
We don't know if it's appropriate to attach our "Primer on Cloth Gagging" here on Collarme. Drop us a note and we'll send it to you or if you have the book "Screw the Roses", the Primer is the basis of the chapter on Gagging.
MK & SweetCream

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RE: Gags - 1/1/2005 2:08:13 PM   
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If you're the author, you're more than welcome to post it here. I'd be interested in reading it.

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RE: Gags - 1/1/2005 3:18:33 PM   
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I would suggest go simple. I use cloth. Since im in the medical field I have a lot of access to triangle bandages. which is large cut traiangle cloth. Yes they can be bought at walmart. Anyhow i unravel from its nice folded shap and stuff it in there mouth 2 if neccessary It will form to any shape of there mouth. I then secure it with another one around the mouth and tie at the back of the head. Cloth holds tightly and will not work lose. Cloth has a wonderful way of absorbing saliva one reason i like it. So your mouth goes dry . the more your tongue touches it the more dry it gets. They can be easily washed for another day and also work well with bondage.

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RE: Gags - 1/1/2005 4:44:07 PM   
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See and I can still talk - and quite loudly at that - with those. And I might be muffled and my words might not be clear - but *somehow* every curse and all my cussing and shit is understood *perfectly* - to the word. LOL.

Sometimes there is nothing more aggravating than letting loose a strong of beautiful curses that you know they heard and having them ever so sweetly and with much mirth ask, I'm sorry dear, but you were slurring horribly there, could you please repeat that as they are beating the hell out of you. #!!$%@&!! lol. I play with meaniebuttheads. Honest. And they are EVIL. Fucking mean and evil and horrid. God love em. LOL.

It might be that I can talk without moving my lips and without needing to move my tongue much (just never learned how to *throw* the voice, sadly - cuz what funnnnnnnn that would be LOL) so inflatables do nothing, even when they compress my tongue down, and it has nothing to do with how secure the thing is on my head, and NOTHING cuts my volume. Nothing. Unless of course the situation calls for it, or that is what would please my partner and we aren't doing a resistance scene or just having free for all fun.

Thus, I see gags as being more a mental trigger that tells someone that they are free to not say anything and just experience, or that they have had the option of being able to verbally resist taken away so that they can be free to *give up*, rather than something that actually inhibits or removes the physical ability to voice any sound or words at all.

JMO.

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RE: Gags - 1/2/2005 7:50:12 AM   
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Thanks Stef...Here it is.
A PRIMER ON CLOTH GAGGAGE
By Master Ken / SweetCream
The basis of our chapter on Gagging, contributed to the book, "Screw the Roses, Send Me the Thorns"

MUFFLERS: Applied as a reminder to be silent, to annoy, mildly humiliating
to wearer.
Fold clean or used dish towel to 4" width, tie over mouth
knotting at back of neck ON TOP OF blindfold knot to prevent
slipping. Or, fold dish towel on diagonal and tie tightly about
subject's face at mid-eye level, allowing her only to see straight
ahead and requiring her to breathe through the towel.

BIT GAGS (Cleaves ): Applied to cause discomfort and annoyance, stretching jaws and mouth.
Dish towel or scarf folded to 1 1/2" pulled between teeth,
tightly knotted behind neck, drawing back corners of mouth.
Bandanna wadded into mouth. 3" folded bandanna brought forward from
back of neck and knotted tightly between teeth, pressing wadding
deeper. Third bandanna folded 3" tied over gaggage, tightly
knotted behind neck.
Two bandannas laid atop each other, fold to smallest wadding and
pack into mouth; hold in place with 1" rolled dish towel or scarf.
Or, bandanna wadding, hold in place with rolled flour sack towel
with center knot in mouth holding wadding deep. Holds jaw wider,
hurts mouth corners when TIGHTLY tied.

KNOT GAGS: An expansion on the bit gag design. Knot Gags, depending on size
and material are less comfortable, prevent intelligible speech
and can be used to stretch mouth and jaws to a punitive extent.
A Knot Gag is an excellent choice for LONG TERM DISCIPLINE
such as overnight wear since there is no danger of choking.
To create the knot, a large square or rectangular cloth is folded
once on the diagonal. Starting at the point(s) roll tightly toward
the long edge forming a rope-like affair. Tie a single overhand
knot beginning just off-center of the cloth so the ends are equal
in length. Obviously the dimensions and thickness of the cloth
determine the size of the knot created. We tie and keep several
sizes and styles on hand for instant use.
#1 - Most women have large head squares available and flour sack
towels are available at WalMart, Target stores. Either of these rolled
as above create a fairly small knot. Excellent for use on a novice.
A mouth filling bandanna packing may be used before the knot is
thrust between the teeth and tied off behind the neck.
#2 - Formed of a larger cotton cloth <29" sq. flour sack> or a head
scarf in which a bandanna has been laid out and rolled into the "rope"
The additional bulk provides greater mass and the knot holds the
jaws wide apart. Ends should be tightly tied, drawing back the mouth
corners when used punitively. Wadding may also be inserted to acquire
the desired silence.
#3 - A cotton or muslin square of 36" or so is large enough to form
the GIANT knot tied to spread the jaws most uncomfortably wide. It's
punitive for long wear though not silencing. Add dry bandanna wadding
and it becomes a CONSUMING! type of gag when tightly drawn
back and tied off.
In order to insert the larger knots in the mouth, place the knot
on the captive's lower teeth, pressing downward as you "roll" the
knot into the mouth. Much like a well fitted ball gag, the knot
is nearly impossible to expel with the tongue and tying the ends
tightly behind the neck completes the appliance.

SILENCERS: Mouth fully packed with cloth prevents noise, may introduce gag-
reflex conditions.
Dish towel or flour sack cloth folded to smallest rectangle then
to a "V" shaped wad which is inserted deep in the mouth, all the way
back on top of tongue, between back molars and resting against the
back of the throat. Tie in place with cloth of your choice. This is
an uncomfortable gag, difficult to wear and has a highly subduing
effect on the wearer. The wadding becomes slippery and may induce the
gag reflex which the wearer must "control". An enhanced silencer is
applied by packing the mouth as above, then work fingers into "V" in
wadding and open it vertically. Force 1" wide towel "bit" into wad
and knot tightly at neck. Punishment level is determined by volume
of wadding and tightness of knotted bit. Add a dish towel, folded once
and tied over mouth and NOSE as a further discipline device.
COMPOUND GAGS: Completely silencing, uncomfortable for short wear,
intolerable for long wear ("Punishment Gags")
"Jawbreaker" Insert "V" wad as above all the way into mouth.
After a few minutes, work a cavity in the "V" and insert a
knotted flour sack into wadding , holding jaws wide. Bind a folded
dish towel over mouth and knot behind neck to hold jaws
"back" Tie a diagonally folded dish towel over the lower face
at mid-eye height and draw tightly to impede captive's breathing.
Fold a large cloth to 4" wide and draw up under chin trapping
the face cover and knot it tightly atop the head. Now the jaws
are at once "forced" wide open, tied "shut" and bound motionless.
This is an excellent motivational gag for a *maid* with cleaning to
do. Assure her/him that freedom awaits at the end of her task!
If it passes "inspection"

VARIATIONS: The use of cloth allows for many variations of the
gaggage. Kitchen/dish towels (non-terry) may be freshly laundered or soiled
ones spontaneously pulled from the towel rack and applied ...
introducing various aromas and tastes.

For greater SILENCING, saturate the mouth packing/wadding with
water. Two purposes are served ... the liquid clogs the fiber of
the cloth further preventing the passage of sound. The dampened
wadding will not stick to the lining of the mouth as sometimes
happens. Rubbing the wet wadding on Ivory bar soap increases the
degree of displeasure, as does saturating in lemon juice, vinegar
or unsweetened Kool-Aid.

These are but a few gags in a myriad of possible gagging ideas.
Take a close second look at the cloths around your home....You may
never look at a dish towel or kerchief in the same way again !

Silence is golden....and FUN too !

MASTER KEN
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RE: Gags - 1/3/2005 9:07:13 PM   
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hello Master Kenn Sir,

the gags in Your post are very effective.i for one would love to be trained in them.however what is the sexiest looking and most effective gag in Your collection Sir.i know looks dont really matter but i am curious Sir.
sincerely,
wulfie

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RE: Gags - 1/7/2005 5:07:07 AM   
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when it comes to gags imho Master Ken is truly a Master.i am hoping that this link might be helpful as far as safety is concerned.

http://www.albanypowerexchange.com/BDSMinfo/gags.htm

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A favorite Gag... - 1/9/2005 4:02:37 PM   
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Hi Wulfie...
I believe you can look up from your post to see a photo of my slave/wife SweetCream in weekend attire.
Looks simple, I guess but in fact her mouth is stuffed with a 31" acetate scarf ( from the 60's ) It has been Clorox'd and folded to a triangular cone shape and inserted deep in her mouth on top of her tongue ( the tip of which she must show me under the wadding ) A 28" cotton bandanna folded to a 1 1/2" band is tied through her teeth and tightly knotted behind her neck. Her muffler is an "antique" cotton dishtowel which has been bleached and fresh air-dried. Her Kerchief is a 36" square of white cotton broadcloth and is always worn during service.
By our standards, this is a "mild" working Gag for a day of housework or PC work. A photo of the wadding is embedded.
If this board is up for it, we practice far more severe Gagging between us and friends who proudly call themselves "Gag-Sluts" :)




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RE: A favorite Gag... - 1/9/2005 4:04:39 PM   
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I don't know (or care, really) if the masses are up for it, but I certainly am

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RE: A favorite Gag... - 1/9/2005 10:31:51 PM   
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Master Kenn Sir,
thank You so much for Your wonderful and informative reply Sir. i can"t speak for the entire board...especially if i was gagged like that...hehe.but i must say i am up for it Sir.i would be honored to read and learn about the more severe gagging.
i am a sub that is always interested in learning especially from People whom i admire and trust. even though i am a male someday i want to become a gag slut(that whole John Willie is very erotic to me).i am not sure but i think i might be a little bit of a gag slut already Sir.
once again thanks so very much Sir.
sincerely,
wulfie

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RE: A favorite Gag... - 1/18/2005 9:52:42 PM   
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gag slut....who me?

http://www.lamansardadimiele.org/immagini/Willie/Galleria/slides/32.html

john willie fan....meeeeeeeeeeee?

http://www.lamansardadimiele.org/immagini/Willie/Galleria/slides/03.html

http://www.lamansardadimiele.org/immagini/Willie/Galleria/slides/14.html

weg

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