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Strangers in my face - 12/18/2007 7:51:55 AM   
thebeastiegirl


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Just wondering if any other subs or slaves have experienced this.  At a group campout play party, just as i was slipping into subspace, blindfolded as i usually am for public play, Master abruptly stopped flogging me and tied some chick W/we had just met a couple of hours earlier to the opposite side of the cross, so that her face was right in mine.  i am not bi (though i try to participate enthusiastically in scenes where He chooses to include other women.)   He knows from O/our discussions about past scenes that during intense play i feel a sense of panic if He leaves the room without warning during heavy play, and also that i become hyper-sensitive to His and O/others' energy/aura/intentions/whatever you want to call it. 

When He has included O/others i know and trust in O/our play, it has been a great time for all.  And i'm happy to have anyone flog or whip or slap or paddle me when He chooses to share my bottom with Others.  W/we are both exhibitionists; i very much enjoy other people nearby watching (or playing in the same room) as long as they aren't engaging in loud conversation or otherwise distracting U/us.  However, when someone i am not comfortable with gets too close to me during play - especially if they are invading the space around my head or face - it has been very traumatic for me.  

A few more bits of background info:  i am fairly new to the scene (about a year) but i am considered a heavy bottom (painslut.)   In subspace, my verbal skills become limited to the point that i often cannot manage more than a yes or no response.  In that headspace, even the cognitive skills required to think about whether i need a drink of water feels like a monumental effort, because it's a departure from my focus on Him.    
  
When He resumed flogging, He was now stopping at short intervals to flog this stranger for a couple of strokes too, so i couldn't focus on the rhythm of the flogger.  She kept talking and breathing on my face.  i considered biting her, but it wasn't really her fault she was there and i did not want to harm her, just wanted the space around me to be clear so i could re-connect with Master.  It was disturbing, and i began to panic but still kept hoping He would ask something, anything, that would give me a chance to let Him know i was in distress.  He did not.  i felt like i was being punished for something i hadn't done, and in my head i was silently screaming, "why? why? why?"   

Finally, i was unable to cope anymore (and safewords did not even exist for me by then,)  i just gave up hope and withdrew to someplace within myself.  i think i was almost catatonic.  He started flogging me very hard, trying to get me to respond again (later said He thought i was just being stubborn.)  i could hear the impact, but could not really feel it - i noticed i did not feel anything anymore - i pull against the shackles holding my wrists above me, but i could not feel them biting into my skin.  How curious.  The talking and breathing on me continued but it wasn't real to me anymore.  i felt like a casual outside observer, watching myself wonder about this new state of being as if watching it all on a movie.  i recall thinking that if i had not been feeling such despair over what i perceived as emotional abandonment, what i was experiencing might have felt like a very deep meditative state. 

Meanwhile, Master was frustrated by my lack of response, assumed i was just misbehaving, stopped the scene and took me down off the cross.  Still blindfolded, He had me sit on the floor next to a wooden bench where He put me while He walked away again and did something else.  i wished He would return and help me find my way back to Him, but i just sat very still and waited - the separation anxiety i always felt in similar circumstances (if He had broken contact and stepped out of the room without preparing me for that) was not as intense.  This time, all i could manage was a mild curiosity about where He had gone - i was really more fascinated by my new, odd state of being, and even though i desperately wanted Him to let me rest my head on His lap, i was angry with Him for putting me through that ordeal, and for no apparent reason. 

When He finally did come back and sit down on the bench, He removed the blindfold and the light was intolerable - my only thought at that point was that i needed to shield myself from the light.  i tried to make myself as small as possible, curled up in a fetal ball with my head under the bench, between His legs.  Later, He said at that point He was ordering me to get my head out from under the bench and sit up, but the light was so loud i didn't hear anything (i know that sounds weird, but it was like my ears were full of water rushing when He took off the blindfold) and still could not feel anything, nor did i even want to anymore.  Somehow He pried me out from under the bench and i ended up sitting cross-legged, eyes shut tight, in front of a big wooden post holding up the roof of the raised pavilion W/we were on.  Again, through that bizarre "outside observer" fog, i recall wondering whether i would be able to feel anything, and banged my forehead really hard against the post a couple of times out of curiosity.  (This actually seemed a logical course of action to me at the time!) 

Master was very angry.  He thought i was doing all this to embarrass Him, so He took me back to our campsite to isolate me.  i don't remember much else until i started crashing.  i was upset and angry and sobbing and couldn't sleep and kept demanding to know why He had done that to me.  This phase was really horrible - for the first time in my life, i felt i understood why people jump off bridges.  i felt hurt and needy and resentful and betrayed and just about any other negative emotion you could name, and i never, ever want to feel that way again.   

i am normally a very competent and rational person, no history of mental illness, and haven't had anything like this happen before or since, but i do still have some apprehension about public play whenever i sense someone is getting too close to me.  Rather than de-sensitizing me to strangers touching me (which is what He later said He was trying to accomplish by tying her to the other side of cross) it has had the opposite effect. 

After long discussions about this failed scene, i've learned to form at least a couple of words when something isn't working for me, and He has been more careful to check in and ask questions periodically, also to initiate a scene only when He is certain He can stay with me throughout the scene and aftercare.  So i'm not here to complain or ask for suggestions about how to get my needs met - just would like to know if anyone else here has taken a similar wrong turn in subspace and ended up disassociated from reality.  Thanks! 

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RE: Strangers in my face - 12/18/2007 12:11:10 PM   
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Hello beastie and welcome to the forums.  I've identified heavily with what you just wrote and firstly sending you big hugs of support.  I don't think you are wrong in any of your assumptions or behaviours; in fact, as an outsider I think I would be taking your Master to task for the situation.  I, too, am a heavy bottom, 2 years into the life, and have played both privately and publicly quite a bit.  Once a sub goes into subspace or starts to fly, that is not the time to be introducing something new.  If I'm not far enough gone, it will derail the whole session.  If I am flying, I would probably have the same reaction as you and have a really hard time coming out of it.  The drop would be stupendous.  I am not coherent enough to use a safeword (most of the time I'm just enjoying myself so much I wouldn't anyway) and the flogging could continue until I'm bloodied.  Trying to overcome an interruption such as you described of having another woman tied with you and her being flogged as well would just be impossible.  Part of my sensation enjoyment is the metronomic impact of said flogger, I find it soothing when it strikes regularly.  If the pattern changes abruptly it can cause it hiccup that will invade my subspace.  Sometimes I can get it back and carry on.  Sometimes it just ruins the whole scene. 

In my opinion, your Master should not have brought in the second after he got you into subspace.  Then he didn't watch your reactions or know you well enough to see that it was becoming not enjoyable for you.  Flogging harder to get a better response was definitely not the way to go.  Then to punish you afterward for a misconceived attitude just shows me that he doesn't know you as much as he should.  You went through some major dropping from your description, you needed solace and comfort not Dom-itude. 

In your first paragraph, you stated that he sometimes leaves the room during heavy play?!?  That spoke volumes to me about the level of care you are receiving during and after a scene.  Public or not, casual play or not....that is just sooo wrong.  Once a sub is in subspace, she is vulnerable emotionally and psychologically to whatever happens next.  Your feeling of abandonment is justified and I would even think the trust/respect level would drop in that case.  Your Master has the responsibility to ensure your safety in all manners at all times, even from him. 

I'm not trying to come off as bashing your Master but I do think all this needs to be discussed with him.  You are not topping from the bottom by explaining your feelings and reactions, you have every right to expect care and control, safety and security during and after a scene...especially from your own Master.  Being bound, blindfolded and virtually defenceless, more so during subspace, you are not in a position to be able to take care of yourself...he must step up to it.

To finally answer your question:  yes, I've been there and it's not fun and I would really prefer not to go back.  It hurts.  Not only during when I'm going through the feelings, but also after if I don't get the care that is needed.  Then for a long time wondering if I can trust him not to do it again.

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RE: Strangers in my face - 12/18/2007 8:17:08 PM   
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Your master tried something new and it didn't work out- in fact it happened pretty badly.

His anger might also have been frustration and feeling a bit of ego hurt and disappointment in himself for making a mistake.

I agree that perhaps that wasn't the time to isolate you or get angry, but hey, we're human and you certainly were in no rational place to understand much of anything at that point.

Now you debrief eachother- what went on, why did it go on, where did the wrong happen, why it happened that night and perhaps where to explore again.

It was JUST a scene, neither of you should make this into a bigger deal than it is.  This is where those fabulous communication and understanding skills we're all supposed to have come into place.  Use this as a chance to make your foundation stronger with eachother.

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RE: Strangers in my face - 12/18/2007 8:44:50 PM   
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I think you two should talk it over, it sounds like you need a little communication on this one. 

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RE: Strangers in my face - 12/18/2007 9:11:10 PM   
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I don't think I could talk to a partner that did that to me for at least a few days. Especially after a year he should know all the signs by now to tell if I'm enjoying something or not. It takes me personally awhile to calm down, then to think again rationally, then to find the right words that need to be spoken as to not get anything mixed up or get him defensive. I wouldn't have handled that situation very well myself, I wouldn't have liked to be isolated for something that wasn't my fault but at the same time would be thankful for it as to get my thoughts together. I know myself to well, I would distance myself from him for a few days, wouldn't be outta choice, just how I am. In the end I would talk to him and let him know how it felt.. See where it goes from there.
 
I am glad to hear that he seemed to have learned from that mistake and appears to be taking better care of further situations. That is a huge step.
 
Scyn ~

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RE: Strangers in my face - 12/18/2007 10:22:36 PM   
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here's my take. you are an exhibitionist which means you like to be the center of the attention when that did not happen you had a tantrum, when that did not work you surrendered and although it was a tad passive aggressive in nature, it was surrender, which is why you had the floaty meditating out of body experience....

he to, is an exhibitionist, he likes the sort of public play where there is an act going on, you have to perform certain ways such as moan or beg or cry or what ever.

i think personally i get much more out of the experience where the dominant says " this is your experience, you dont need to perform, i will do what i do, and you do what ever you wish, just know that i will still do what ever i do.

but the part where you banged your head was the part of the story i liked the most, yes i have been there, i love that place where you feel like you are walking between worlds, where you are so surrendered that you are having an OBE.

you have had a glimpse of something many folks in this lifestyle never see: the deep spiritual doorway that surrender can open....

so it was natural you had a melt down. it was part sub drop, part not getting your way, but also part the strange and wondrous feeling that the world is not what you thought it was yesterday.

lucky you.

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RE: Strangers in my face - 12/19/2007 4:11:52 AM   
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How on earth coping with an invasion into your space equates to having a tantrum because you are no longer the centre of attention I don't know.  I want to bite the person in front and behind me at the checkout for getting too close.  My space.  Mine.  Back off.  And feeling her breath in your face, her voice in your head, I would have had the same reaction because she was a random stranger, not because suddenly I wasn't Cinderella at the ball.

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RE: Strangers in my face - 12/19/2007 4:13:43 AM   
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A thing was tried, it wasn't successful. No one died. Let it go.

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RE: Strangers in my face - 12/19/2007 8:06:33 AM   
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i read your post "How on earth coping with an invasion into your space equates to having a tantrum because you are no longer the centre of attention I don't know.  I want to bite the person in front and behind me at the checkout for getting too close.  My space.  Mine.  Back off.  And feeling her breath in your face, her voice in your head, I would have had the same reaction because she was a random stranger, not because suddenly I wasn't Cinderella at the ball. "

i realize i pushed a button with you and i would like to explain that the tantrum i was referring to was in her head, the little explosion of "i cant get my way this sucks!!!"
so what happened? she surrendered....and went to a lovely space, where she floated out side herself...that 'tantrum' was the tiny death of the ego i was talking about in your thread.

it was a good thing....it opened all kinds of doors....doors that have just now been opened for the first time, doors that never would have opened if she was not put in a situation she really hated.

i think opening doors that i did not know existed ....and finding lovely places that they open to,..... is exactly why i love being put in situations i cant control and that i "hate".



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