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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 10:03:55 AM   
sexyred1


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Well he obviously must have absolute trust in her to open himself up to a relationship with her.  How do we know whether they met first and because he is a psychiatrist they then decided she could benefit from some counseling and begane that relationship second.  Personally i don't think for me a counseling relationship would work if i were in anyway involved with the person, but heck if my dom were a chiropractor i would damn well allow him to manipulate my spine lol, or a dentist work on my teeth, etc. 


I think therapy is different than chiropractic or dentistry and even then, medical professionals  are usually advised not to work on family members for various reasons, most of all, loss of objectivity.

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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 10:10:39 AM   
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Well he obviously must have absolute trust in her to open himself up to a relationship with her.  How do we know whether they met first and because he is a psychiatrist they then decided she could benefit from some counseling and begane that relationship second.  Personally i don't think for me a counseling relationship would work if i were in anyway involved with the person, but heck if my dom were a chiropractor i would damn well allow him to manipulate my spine lol, or a dentist work on my teeth, etc. 


It doesn't matter the order of the relationship... if you have a relationship you don't enter counseling.  If you are already in counseling, you don't enter a relationship.  This has to do with your psyche and the ability to manipulate it.  It is clearly unethical.  That is not my decision, it is the decision of the licensing boards, of the professional associations, etc. 

Manipulating your spine is not the same as manipulating your mind, or the POTENTIAL to manipulate your mind (before anybody screams that he is not manipulating her mind).

I work in the mental health field (no, I'm not a counselor).  I have worked for more than one person who got hauled up before their licensing boards and had to ATTEMPT to explain their dual relationships with certain patients.  It almost NEVER goes in the doctor's favor.  One doc's practice never recovered and he stopped treating patients and instead became a consultant for an insurance company.  The other one ended up declaring bankruptcy after losing his provider status on the insurance company panels, and having lots of patients jump ship.  There were rumors of attempted suicide.  His life, so far, has not been the same. 

I'm just going to have to walk away from this one.  I'm pretty sure I've said all I can say.

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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 10:12:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		AS a Domme, I have had some interesting discusions with doctors in my time. My last psychiatrist was aware of my choice of lifestyle, he was actually a submissive and so he understood very well the feelings and urges I had. He wasnt even particularly put off by discusions of my sadistic interests, which was a nice change.  Most of the therapists I had spoken to before him judged me as soon as i mentioned the lifestyle.
AS for GPs and the like, they knew I was in martial arts and the lifestyle.  I always had bruises, cuts, and things like that.
Im more concerned, honestly, with a doctor outting one of my boys to their family out of concern than I am their not getting the best care. Not as much a concern with Angel as it is with Fox since Fox is a masochist. He doesnt have a standing relationship with a doctor, its a need to see basis.

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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 10:14:56 AM   
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the only reason this slave endures doctor visits is because that is the only way to complete the presciption process for necessary medications, routine physicals, in the case of emergencies or to set up a surgical procedure.  none of those things have anything to do with this slave's relationship with Master.
 
this slave does not seek out a medical doctor's or therapists advice or expertise regarding intimate relationships she is a part of.


That may work well for you, and I am sure it would work well for many, but some of us do things that are more edgy than others of us.... things that could be detected when we go in for a physical... like bruises all over our backside, bruises on our thighs, bruises on our arms... and these bruises could be misconstrued as proof of domestic violence. As a family member of mine found out, all it takes is one doctor to make a report of that and your mate is sitting in the pokey (depending on state law, which in Calfornia they do not need the "victim's" testimony to press these charges... they did not need hers, and her husband spent 6 months in jail. Yes he was guilt of choking her until she passed out, but the point is that they did not need her testimony to arrest him and prosecute him).

I think it is rather wise to go on the record if one is a masochist that likes to get marked up, like I do... not necessary most likely, but it is rather a good idea that the medical professionals be aware of one's kink before jumping to the wrong conclusion and making a terrible mistake. I also do not care what my doctors think about my sex life, I hire them to treat me, but I do not want them making false accusations either...


this slave isn't interested in volunteering information to a licensed professional who is required to report knowledge of illegal activities, that she and her husband get off participating in illegal activities that could result in his being jailed.  last this slave checked, there is no "legal" consent for some of the stuff we all do, masochist or not.
 
call it impact play or whatever you want, in the eyes of the law, unless one is attending one of your Daddy's classes, following the script or participating in the so-called "sport" of boxing, it is against California law.

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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 10:20:30 AM   
sambamanslilgirl


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Status: offline 		read my lips - He's doing nothing unethical ...it's not a totally professional relationship between us. yes Daddy does counsel me on the medical issues however you dearie are clueless to assume what is ethical and/or unethical in our relationship.

edit to add - there is no manipulation on Daddy's part wheher we are on kink mode or in counseling session.



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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 10:43:02 AM   
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If you are already in counseling, you don't enter a relationship.


Can't docs have their license suspended or revoked for that sort of thing?
I'm pretty sure it's viewed as highly unethical, if nothing else.


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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 11:05:53 AM   
sambamanslilgirl


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when i met Daddy we were not in a Doctor patient relationship. 

when we entered our D/s Daddy daugher dynamic, we were not in a Doctor patient relationship. 

however i knew He's a Doctor because He simply told me and i told Him i don't talk to Doctors like Him.  we did enter a Doctor patient side when i (not Him) requested to chat about my oldest's accident in August of this year.

unethical or not - your opinion.  no one's being manipulated or doing anything wrong that would cause Him to lose His license.


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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 11:07:29 AM   
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If you are already in counseling, you don't enter a relationship.


Can't docs have their license suspended or revoked for that sort of thing?  I'm pretty sure it's viewed as highly unethical, if nothing else.



Yes, Katy, that's what I was saying.  The participants can deny all they want... it is not what happens IN the relationship, what matters is that the relationship exists at all.  You don't have to have manipulation for the ethics to be violated.  And clearly she does not "get it". 

Cali

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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 11:09:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

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If you are already in counseling, you don't enter a relationship.


Can't docs have their license suspended or revoked for that sort of thing?  I'm pretty sure it's viewed as highly unethical, if nothing else.



Yes, Katy, that's what I was saying.  The participants can deny all they want... it is not what happens IN the relationship, what matters is that the relationship exists at all.  You don't have to have manipulation for the ethics to be violated.  And clearly she does not "get it". 

Cali

no - you don't and never will get it


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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 11:27:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		All the "dearies" aside. I am a licensed mental health professional and we are all very much aware of the boundaries of our licenses. And every state in the union prohibits anyone from practicing our trade on people with whom we are having an intimate relationship. Just doing that alone, no matter what the order of which relationship or how the therapy is structured. It is considered unethical by our licensing boards...and, to repeat what someone else said, he knows it. Further, if your state licensing board caught wind of it, they would not argue with you back and forth on a message board about it...they'd revoke his license. Plain and simple. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of law. So, you might want to have a discussion with him about this and you might want to refrain from mentioning to people that your Daddy is also your shrink.

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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 11:30:19 AM   
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unethical or not - your opinion. 


Not really, I think that's up to the board that does licensure.


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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 11:33:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		i don't need to have a discussion with Him about anything. 

i feel quite comfortable in having Him and trust completely His medical opinion.

and i shall continue having Him as my shrink whenever i need to discuss with Him in private.




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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 11:42:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's all fine and well, but you had best hope that no-one else gets wind of it.

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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 11:44:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		i don't tell my doctor about my alternative lifestyle. But if i were to go to a KAP (Kink Aware Professional), then yea i would disclose it. But even now if my doctor asks if i've been sexually active, i tell her without going into details since it's more of a yes or no question, not an explanation question.

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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 11:51:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		She's obviously happy in her relationship, if he is at all intelligent i am sure he's weighed the risks involved.   They aren't children who need to be reminded of the rules. It's their lives and their risks, how about just be happy for them and leave the judgements at the door. 

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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 11:55:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

i don't need to have a discussion with Him about anything. 

i feel quite comfortable in having Him and trust completely His medical opinion.

and i shall continue having Him as my shrink whenever i need to discuss with Him in private.





This kind of attitude never ceases to amaze me.  the "He is my Master and I will never question him about anything" and the "She is my Mistress, so I will do whatever she says regardless of consequences"....
 
If you wish to live that robotic life, hey... it's your life.  However, you might wish to tell him you are announcing on a public board that he is violating the law, and your talking about it could cost him his license.  If that doesn't matter in your special little world then so be it.  Good luck with that.

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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 12:06:23 PM   
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Friends, i have recently shared my Lifestyle D's reationship and it's ramifications with my family Doctor. My concens were about the effects of my enforced chastity on my sexual health. Am i the only one to do this? or is it common among most of you? Inquiring minds want to know. i thank you in advance for your responses to the question.
 
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I have told both my GP and OB/GYN physicians that "we play roughly."  That's all they need to know.  The only question I have posed to my doctors about my activity was after I had a lumpectomy on one of my breasts - I told my surgeon "We can be a little rough on these girls..." and asked how long he would recommend waiting before we resumed our normal activity.  Nothing more needed to be said, and he was very informative with his answer.  Prior to my surgery, I asked my OB/GYN if he could think of any sort of rough activity that could cause damage to the tumor in me, and he gave an informative answer as well.  I have appreciated the input by both.

There are other particulars I do not ask my doctors about.  But my docs do know I am "kinky" (whatever that means to them), as well as several members of my family (mom, brother, sister-in-law, cousin), and many of my friends.  They have all agreed to speak up on our behalf should any "official" wish to step in and jail my Master for my own good.

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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 12:06:36 PM   
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She's obviously happy in her relationship, if he is at all intelligent i am sure he's weighed the risks involved.   They aren't children who need to be reminded of the rules. It's their lives and their risks, how about just be happy for them and leave the judgements at the door. 

thank you

MD - it's not robotic answer ...it's my opinion with no undue influence whatsoever from Him.  so quick to judge.

and this is not the first time i've mentioned about Daddy's profession yet it seems everyone feels just to disapprove all of sudden.


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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 12:09:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is not his profession that is being disapproved.  It is the situation,  a doctor, in a relationship with a patient.  Regardless of how you feel about it, it is not appropriate.  It opens the door for the doctor to manipulate the patient and the treatment plan to his benefit.  

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RE: Are your Doctors in the Know? - 12/21/2007 12:09:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

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ORIGINAL: velvetears

She's obviously happy in her relationship, if he is at all intelligent i am sure he's weighed the risks involved.   They aren't children who need to be reminded of the rules. It's their lives and their risks, how about just be happy for them and leave the judgements at the door. 

thank you

MD - it's not robotic answer ...it's my opinion with no undue influence whatsoever from Him.  so quick to judge.

and this is not the first time i've mentioned about Daddy's profession yet it seems everyone feels just to disapprove all of sudden.



uh, no. I knew he was a shrink but not YOUR shrink. but as velvet said, it is your life and his profession, so to each his own.

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