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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 12:18:23 AM   
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Well...this was a nice thread to re-enter CM with . Here's hoping that everyone is enjoying the holidays! 
 
 

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 1:01:58 AM   
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Did anyone else get spammed with someone educating us on Cyber Law in response to this thread?  I got a gazillion pages (ok, an exaggeration) of legal citings emailed to me, followed up with a "Duuh"

Um...thanks?

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 1:06:54 AM   
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Welcome back, MoGa!!



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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 1:10:47 AM   
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Celeste,
You were one of My favorite people here. I am glad to see you are still here <s> Thank you for the wb!


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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 1:13:11 AM   
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“Awaiting Approval” Thread TOS TOS? Guildlines? Rules? Fairness?   (Your respective demonstrative education in the cyber law (lesson 1) is here….)     Terms of Service Clauses Struck Down as being Unfair: http://www.lawfont.com/2007/06/10/second-life-clickwrap-agreement-unenforceable/ http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2007/05/31/judge-rules-against-one-sided-tos-in-bragg-lawsuit/ http://www.ipblog.ca/?m=200710   Comb v. PayPal, Inc., 218 F. Supp. 2d 1165 (N.D. Cal. Aug.30, 2002) (rejecting a motion to compel arbitration because the user agreement was unconscionable[UNFAIR TERMS!]).).   DeFontes v. Dell Computers Corp., 2004 R.I. Super. LEXIS 32,52 U.C.C. Rep. Serv. 2d 823 (Del. Super. Jan. 29, 2004) (rejecting Dell’s browse-wrap license in accordance with Specht; rejecting Dell’s shrink-wrap for lack of “sufficient notice of the method to reject”)   Dyer v. Northwest Airlines, 334 F. Supp. 2d 1196 (D. N.D. September 8, 2004) (rejected Plaintiff’s contract claim, which was based on Northwest’s privacy policy posted on their Internet website).    Ting v. AT&T, 182 F. Supp. 902 (N.D. Cal. Jan. 15, 2002) (striking down an arbitration clause in a service agreement as unconscionable [UNFAIR TERMS!]).             Contrary to popular belief use does not necessarily constitute an agreement:   Specht  vs. Netscape Communications Corp (non-mandatory click-through is not a binding contract): “Principally, we are asked to determine whether plaintiffs-appellees ("plaintiffs"), by acting upon defendants' invitation to download free software made available on defendants' webpage, agreed to be bound by the software's license terms (which included the arbitration clause at issue), even though plaintiffs could not have learned of the existence of those terms unless, prior to executing the download, they had scrolled down the webpage to a screen located below the download button. We agree with the district court that a reasonably prudent Internet user in circumstances such as these would not have known or learned of the existence of the license terms before responding to defendants' invitation to download the free software, and that defendants therefore did not provide reasonable notice of the license terms. In consequence, plaintiffs' bare act of downloading the software did not unambiguously manifest assent to the arbitration provision contained in the license terms.”   Ticketmaster Corp., et al. v. Tickets.Com, Inc. (contract terms linked to from the bottom of the page are not necessarily binding on people who access the page): “Many web sites make you click on “agree” to the terms and conditions before going on, but Ticketmaster does not. Further, the terms and conditions are set forth so that the customer needs to scroll down the home page to find and read them. Many customers instead are likely to proceed to the event page of interest rather than reading the “small print.”  It cannot be said that merely putting the terms and conditions in this fashion necessarily creates a contract with anyone using the web site[OR THEM “GUILDLINE-RULES EVERYONE EVER SO WANTS TO THROW UP”]. The motion is granted with leave to amend in case there are facts showing Tickets’ knowledge of them plus facts showing implied agreement to them.”   Waters v. Earthlink, Inc., 91 Fed. Appx. 697 (1st Cir. Oct. 31, 2003) (affirming district court’s refusal to enforce an user agreement that was merely “linked” on an arbitrary webpage).  KINDA LIKE THEM GUIDELINES…   Williams v. America Online, 2001 WL 135825 (Mass. Super. Ct. Feb. 8, 2001) (refusing to enforce AOL’s forum selection clause in its user agreement because it was possible to download the software without agreeing to it)   America Online, Inc. v. Pasieka (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. Jan.29, 2004) (refusing to uphold AOL’s forum selection clause for consumer protection claims). I THINK THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT…   This concludes our cyber law lesson for now.        I am sure those people who are reading this can use www.google.com to find any of the above as I have (because the above did come from google)….   Lesson #2 Consumer Law Lesson #3 Free Speech Lesson #4 What does it all mean?   DUuH…

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 1:18:04 AM   
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Yeah, that's the email I got.

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 1:32:39 AM   
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Cyber law?

Is that anything like Galactic Law?

Just got the same email.He`s try`n to be soooo helpful.

Get a life buddy.lol

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 1:48:11 AM   
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Yeah I got it, and the account was deleted shortly after. I sent the information to CM because it is likely a poster that was banned a while back. I am sure they can check IP addresses for the log in and verify. The reason I state this, is that this poster sent me all of that same stuff under his original log in back when he was getting warnings and he was yelling about Free Speech. This poster is supposedly an attorney or paralegal and lives in California.

Name withheld to protect the guilty.

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 1:49:20 AM   
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Cyber and Galactic are in the same families - 2nd couins, twice removed, I think.

Yeah he sends the email and then deletes the user name so you can't reply.  Say, this calls for Moderation, eh?! 

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 1:59:11 AM   
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OK, but that's not the position I like to enjoy ass in.

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I'm getting more ass then a toilet seat

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 3:05:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

OK I have to say this.  Anyone else see the irony that domiguy is on "Awaiting Approval" in the Awaiting Approval thread? 

(of course as soon as his post is posted, this post won't make any sense, heh)




lol-i bet hes gonna tell us they get served cookies and hot cocoa over there on the moderated side


LOL it's like CollarChat pergatory. ;)


Comments made on another members being on moderation are removed


*goes back and adds a "sometimes, evidently"*

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 3:21:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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Did anyone else get spammed with someone educating us on Cyber Law in response to this thread?  I got a gazillion pages (ok, an exaggeration) of legal citings emailed to me, followed up with a "Duuh"

Um...thanks?


Yeah I did too...you have to love the legal advice according to "googling it".  Oddly the cases this person cited actually show the strengths of the TOS. 

I'm really having a hard time picturing any attorney sitting up all night spamming people with incomprehensible strings of unrelated caselaw that clearly isn't all that applicable to the situation and even refutes the very position they seem to think they are making and yelling about "free speech" when even a paralegal would know it doesn't apply to totally private entities.   Atlhough I guess any profession has their lunatics and incompetents. 

Someone seriously needs to get back on their meds the obsession is growing old. 

< Message edited by laurell3 -- 12/24/2007 3:34:15 AM >


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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 4:09:27 AM   
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I got that email too.

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 4:11:14 AM   
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I didn't why am I always out of the loopy?

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 4:43:00 AM   
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I got the email, which is odd b/c I barly posted anything on this topic that was...um....on topic

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 4:46:01 AM   
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At least you all now know about the Government conspiracy though. Many action films are based on those that are caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, like Will Smith in Enemy of The State.

(Edited for fontial reasoning)

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 4:47:33 AM   
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If you're really feeling left out, I can spam your mailbox with a bunch o junk for a day!

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 4:49:08 AM   
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You don't know how happy that would make me.

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 4:53:04 AM   
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You have mail.  Remember, you asked for it!

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RE: "Awaiting approval" - 12/24/2007 4:57:40 AM   
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I shall read it later and understand it never.

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