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OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 1:33:59 PM   
MsBearlee


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Status: offline 		Here's a new one (for me):

"My slave wants to have her labia and clit hood removed and I don't want to do it myself.
Do you know of any resources or "kink friendly" Doctors in [my/your] area.

What would you say......other than 'take her to 'Old Africa'? 
 
<sigh>  I just tend to iggy these guys as rabble rousers. 
 
What say you?

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 1:37:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Labioplasty has become a booming business. If you answer at all, direct them to contact a certified plastic surgeon who specializes in labioplasty. It's really not so different than women who want their breasts enlarged. Sorry to hear that it freaks you out.

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 1:38:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Eh... as long as they get it done safely and she is actually informed of the risks/benefits, I see as being a totally different thing than mutilation. It's modification, something I kinda think is sexy and, under the right circumstances, incredibly empowering.

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 1:44:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uhhhhhhhhh...okay: ten minutes later my submissive profile gets EXACTLY the same note.

LOL   You, too, could hear from this guy!  I bet he's not even from CO!

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 1:47:09 PM   
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Labioplasty has become a booming business. If you answer at all, direct them to contact a certified plastic surgeon who specializes in labioplasty. It's really not so different than women who want their breasts enlarged. Sorry to hear that it freaks you out.  


scout, I have very large breasts; given an extra $10K or so, I'd have mine shrunk.  This request is not for 'modification', but for removal.  I see 'removal' as mutilation.    Perhaps we are playing semantics here, but I find your 'holier than though' attitude ignorant.

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 1:49:44 PM   
MsBearlee


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Eh... as long as they get it done safely and she is actually informed of the risks/benefits, I see as being a totally different thing than mutilation. It's modification, something I kinda think is sexy and, under the right circumstances, incredibly empowering.   


Really, AS?  Wow...  In what way do you find this idea empowering?  From what I've read about female circumcision, it is not pretty, nor sexy and those who have had it done to them seem dismayed.  Can you elaborate, please?

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 1:51:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		wow, i'm missing out on the most juicy messages from the looks.  i'll give this person a "S" for "Sanity", for not wanting to engage in home organ removal.

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 1:54:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Eh... as long as they get it done safely and she is actually informed of the risks/benefits, I see as being a totally different thing than mutilation. It's modification, something I kinda think is sexy and, under the right circumstances, incredibly empowering.   


Really, AS?  Wow...  In what way do you find this idea empowering?  From what I've read about female circumcision, it is not pretty, nor sexy and those who have had it done to them seem dismayed.  Can you elaborate, please?

B


This isn't about female circumcision. The key words here are "My slave wants to have her labia and clit hood removed and I don't want to do it myself."

Female circumcision is a ritual in which a teenage girl is held down and her clit removed to prevent her from having any sexual pleasure. This is a woman who wants to modify her body and, if you read, is keeping her clit - just removing the hood. This a woman doing what she wants with her body.

What is more empowering than deciding for ourselves how we want our temples to look rather than letting other people tell us what we should do with them, be it to keep everything as we were born with or to remove what we want?

< Message edited by AquaticSub -- 12/30/2007 1:56:18 PM >

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 2:02:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		female mutilation? absolutely disgusting, but then there are those who get into the shocking and disgusting.  there are medical risks involved, even in the controlled environment of our medical system.  it's no wonder so may women/girls die because of the unsanitary conditions in which these procedures are done and the lack of medical care after.  if you're going to go thru with it, get yourself a good surgeon at a reputable facility.  just be sure you want it, because the scarring could be incredibly ugly, nothing like what you imagine it to end up being.  loss of sensation due to nerve damage could be more than expected as well.

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 2:05:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

This isn't about female circumcision. The key words here are "My slave wants to have her labia and clit hood removed and I don't want to do it myself."

Female circumcision is a ritual in which a teenage girl is held down and her clit removed to prevent her from having any sexual pleasure. This is a woman who wants to modify her body and, if you read, is keeping her clit - just removing the hood. This a woman doing what she wants with her body.

What is more empowering than deciding for ourselves how we want our temples to look rather than letting other people tell us what we should do with them, be it to keep everything as we were born with or to remove what we want?  


I'm sorry you felt it necessary to be so condescending.  
 
Should I add that the main thrust of my OP was with regard to the unusual things we find in an e-mail...and when they get as dramatic or specific as this, how on earth are we to respond?  ...or is a response really what is hoped for?

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 2:08:52 PM   
AquaticSub


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

This isn't about female circumcision. The key words here are "My slave wants to have her labia and clit hood removed and I don't want to do it myself."

Female circumcision is a ritual in which a teenage girl is held down and her clit removed to prevent her from having any sexual pleasure. This is a woman who wants to modify her body and, if you read, is keeping her clit - just removing the hood. This a woman doing what she wants with her body.

What is more empowering than deciding for ourselves how we want our temples to look rather than letting other people tell us what we should do with them, be it to keep everything as we were born with or to remove what we want?  


I'm sorry you felt it necessary to be so condescending.  
 
Should I add that the main thrust of my OP was with regard to the unusual things we find in an e-mail...and when they get as dramatic or specific as this, how on earth are we to respond?  ...or is a response really what is hoped for?


I was in no way attempting to be condescending. You asked for my point of view, I gave it. In situations where the change is what the woman wants, it isn't mutilation, it's modification and it's something can be quite empowering as I can vouch for myself. Your OP asked for my thoughts, I gave them.

I see nothing condescending in what I wrote, simply an opinion drastically different than your own.

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 2:11:27 PM   
NakedGirlScout


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Status: offline 		OP, please do some research on your own and stop spewing all over us. You could google "labioplasty".
Whether you're horrified and disgusted or not, this sort of surgery is very common in America; and it has nothing to do with Africa or forced child mutilation. We could argue the merits of plastic surgery, yeah, but why bother.


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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 2:16:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

Should I add that the main thrust of my OP was with regard to the unusual things we find in an e-mail...and when they get as dramatic or specific as this, how on earth are we to respond?  ...or is a response really what is hoped for?


Regrettably, my Inbox is a great deal less interesting than yours appears to be. 

My guess is that the writer you quoted is hoping for a reaction and response from you.  I doubt that he is seriously seeking medical advice from random strangers via e-mail. 

What nags at me is: what sort of response could he possibly hope to get? 

I guess this is just another job for the Delete and Block buttons.

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 2:28:15 PM   
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Just a sidenote but in female genital mutilation a girl is not always held down and physically forced to have it done.  There's quite a bit of societal pressure and expectation to have it done, so many of girls get the procedure done willingly.  So to me its not to different from what this woman wants done, and not much empowering about removing the main ability to have intercourse (not to mention opening yourself up for a world of health complications afterwards).

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 2:28:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labioplasty http://www.labiadoctor.com/?OVRAW=labioplasty&OVKEY=labioplasty&OVMTC=standard&OVADID=1307359021&OVKWID=10695221521 I think there is a huge difference between involuntary genital mutilation and voluntary surgery done for whatever reason. Some reasons I've read have ranged from visual attraction to better sexual function.Hopefully anyone actually interested in having this done would do the proper research.

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 2:29:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

Here's a new one (for me):

"My slave wants to have her labia and clit hood removed and I don't want to do it myself.
Do you know of any resources or "kink friendly" Doctors in [my/your] area.

What would you say......other than 'take her to 'Old Africa'? 
 
<sigh>  I just tend to iggy these guys as rabble rousers. 
 
What say you?

my reply (if i was nice):

don't know any "kink friendly" doctors to assist in what your slave is attempting to accomplished.

now for my real reply:

not my problem

if your slave wants to do this, you find the doctors yourself

have a nice day


then i would block the sender


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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 2:31:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The difference to me is that society isn't pressuring her to have this done. Assuming the dominant isn't either, this is something that she wants. Having been there myself, changing your body in the ways that you want can be remarkably empowering.

I'm simply not willing to condemn her, her dominant and compare the whole mess to mutilation off a few sentences probably taken out of context. I really can't judge someone's decision to alter their bodies without talking to them personally.

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 2:42:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		That note could have been written by me 4 years ago (and maybe was) and I wouldn't regret having written it.  My master was completely up front with wanting to do that to me and eventually going through with it.  I accepted it as part of who we were together. 

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 2:53:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		May i ask, and did you have it done?  And if not, why?  While i understand that the original message stated she wanted to have it done and represented it as her choice... is it really?  Wouldn't you agree her 'frame of mind' would be different with a Master who desired it?  My point being, if you TRULY wanted to have this procedure done, wouldn't you have done so even if you were no longer with this particular master?

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RE: OML, yet another request for female mutilation. - 12/30/2007 2:57:40 PM   
AquaticSub


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Status: offline 		While not LA, would you pose the same questions if someone was talking about getting a tattoo that their master desired or breast implants?

Sometimes people will do things and want to do them because their partner wants it. That doesn't diminish their wanting to do it, though they may want to give it more careful consideration because of it. If you know that you won't regret it later if things go badly, why not do it?

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