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subbieforHisuse -> That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 6:46:01 AM)

i am a white female submissive to my One who is a black Dominant male.  We/we are both in our early 50's and are in this relationship 24/7 live-in.  We/we have been seeing one another since 2004 where we lived together for about 6 months in 2005 and i just moved back into His home in Oct. 2007.
i am a natural submissive who loves to give to my Dom....anything & everything.  In return i get my needs met therefore we are both happy and pleased.
There is only one thing i am missing.... and that is the fact that He does not verbally tell me that He loves me.  i FEEL His love towards me, but at the same time, i NEED to HEAR those 3 words: "I Love You".
my question is this.... Is that natural for a Dom to GIVE His love to His submissive without TELLING her He loves her?
i need to hear your thoughts on this topic please.  i would like to hear replies from both Doms as well as subs please.
Thank you for your time.




Corve -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 7:00:09 AM)

Subbie,
I am a dom in his mid 50s.  I do not believe there is a single write or wrong use of saying, "I love You."  Each relationship has different needs and expecations.  I would think that your personal needs will dictate your dedication, actions ,and words to attain both your master's and your satisfation.   




xxblushesxx -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 7:05:28 AM)

You need to talk to him about it. Some guys can't say it 'til you leave...
I'm not sure this is a Dom question, just a question about men in general.
All are different, and all express themselves in different ways.




rubberpet -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 7:16:13 AM)

I don't know if it's natural for a dominant to give love without really saying it, but I know Mistress tells me that She loves me all the time.  I'm the type that loves to hear it.  Everytime She says it, it makes my heart flutter a bit.

As for your situation, I'd simply talk to him about it.  Be honest and open about your feelings and what you need.  I don't believe there is anything wrong in asking for this need to be met.  If he gets upset or flips out about it, I'd seriously re-evaluate things with him.  If he's not willing to open up or listen to your concerns, then there might be a serious problem.  We are human beings and needing to feel love is only natural, no matter if it's shown or spoken.  Believe me, it is so wonderful to hear it when the feelings are behind it, but I'm just a romantic mush[:)]

I hope this helps.




KatyLied -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 7:28:35 AM)

How does his family interact?  I know there is love in my family, but we do not verbalize it.  I do tell my kids I love them because I think it is important to verbalize it.  He may love you and not verbalize it, he may not love you, yet have great affection for you.  Not sure of your dynamic and how that works. 

I think if it bothers you enough to bring it to the message board that you should discuss it with him and see where he stands on it.  




RoughFN -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 7:59:55 AM)

I agree that it's not a BDSM thing, it's a guy thing.

I mean, it's one thing for a master to want to keep some emotional distance from his slave. There's always a chance that falling in love will ruin the dynamic. The master can end up saying, "Why do I want to do these terrible things to her? I love her!" The slave says, "Why does he do these terrible things to me? I thought he loved me!" and it wrecks it. Even to a minor degree - he could end up holding back from what he would otherwise do for fear of hurting you. Love can make you afraid, and fear is bad in BDSM.

But, that's just a side note that I could understand if he didn't actually fall in love with you.

If you're reasonably sure he does, then bring it up to him. Just raise it as something that you'd like to hear on occasion. I'm very very open to hearing things from babe, though that doesn't mean that I'm necessarily going to act on them immediately or with as much force as she'd like. But if she told me she wanted to hear me say "I love you" more frequently, then I'd make the effort to say it every so often. I'm just like that.

For me it's kinda like when my wife asks me why I don't buy her flowers just for no reason. I tell her (constantly) that I will do it, but only if she doesn't badger me about it. The second she asks for flowers an internal clock resets in my head and I won't do it again for a while. If she keeps her yap shut, then it's my idea that I'm exercising when I want to - not her thing that she's been harping on. I know that she likes the flowers, but I decide when she gets them.

So same thing here - make sure he's aware of the fact that you'd like him to say it, but don't worry about it if he doesn't start doing it daily. It's his choice to say it or not, but it's your responsibility to make him aware of your desire to hear it.




KatyLied -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 8:18:20 AM)

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There's always a chance that falling in love will ruin the dynamic. The master can end up saying, "Why do I want to do these terrible things to her? I love her!" The slave says, "Why does he do these terrible things to me? I thought he loved me!" and it wrecks it.


I've seen people say that before and I do not get it.
I would think that with love comes deep(er) intimacy.  And with that even more revelations of you.  Making it easier to be yourself, meaning more comfortable at showing those pieces of you that perhaps are not so nice and pretty, and perhaps more mean and nasty.  And having your partner say "it's cool because I also love that part of you and I understand where it comes from..."  Am I so wrong in my thinking?




littleone35 -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 8:27:23 AM)

My Master and i love each other very much he showes it and he says it.  I tell him all the time that i love him.  When i asked him if i say it too much he says never enough and i also show him i love him.  It does not interfere with our relationship. Makes it stronger i think.  We love each other yes but he is still my Master and i still obey him being in love does not change that.

To the op if you need to hear it, like others say talk to him about it.

Matt's littleone




RoughFN -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 8:27:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I've seen people say that before and I do not get it.
I would think that with love comes deep(er) intimacy.  And with that even more revelations of you.  Making it easier to be yourself, meaning more comfortable at showing those pieces of you that perhaps are not so nice and pretty, and perhaps more mean and nasty.  And having your partner say "it's cool because I also love that part of you and I understand where it comes from..."  Am I so wrong in my thinking?


I think it depends upon the people involved and the relationship dynamic overall. A prior girl I started to develop some feelings for and they did impact our play. I'd still whip her badly, mind you, but I did feel like I was starting to hold back a bit. So I'd try to counter and compensate and feel bad about it. Frankly, it was odd. But it did happen.

But my current girl I have no such issue with. I love her dearly and deeply and that hasn't had any negative impact whatsoever. In fact, in this case it has made me more interested in doing even more with her. Since I view her as completely and totally mine and know that she's devoted to me, I feel like I can really take the gloves off and go all in.

So there's one positive experience for it and one negative one. I will admit to initially hesitating a little bit about getting too far in with my present girl due to the previous situation, but decided she was worth the risk and this time it paid out handsomely. Like all things, I guess it just varies by who's involved.




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 8:29:44 AM)

How about asking him if he loves you? Men sometimes can't verbalize the word love and they show it by their actions. The best way to find out is just ask.




MistressNoName -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 8:58:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

How about asking him if he loves you? Men sometimes can't verbalize the word love and they show it by their actions. The best way to find out is just ask.


I agree with the others who have suggested you talk to him about it. I disagree with the above approach, however, and here's why. Many people have difficulty expressing their feelings, and it could be men or women. Yes, Virginia, women have trouble in this area as well. I know this from personal experience. I grew up with a mother who literally could not say the words. And that does not mean she doesn't love me. She just cannot express it in those words. But the thing that usually happens when someone is asked outright, "do you love me?" their natural defenses kick in. they feel cornered and the pat answer that most give is a mumbled version of, "of course, I love you..." What then follows is the question, "then why don't you ever tell me?" And once that question hits the floor, it's all over. Because there is no easily rendered answer to the question, "why?" All the other person hears is accusation.

I think the better way to approach this is from the point of view of telling him how you feel and why you would like to hear him say he loves you...and try not to get hung up on the "needing" to hear it. You don't really need it, you want it. You can live without it, it just is a thousand times better to hear it. But want is different than need. And telling someone you need to hear something they may not be able to say can also set in motion feelings of guilt that ultimately may undermine what you're hoping to achieve in the first place.

If it ends up being that he does love you but has trouble expressing it in words and prefers showing it in other ways, that could be just as valid. Perhaps you can discuss some sort of compromise that gives you what you want some of the time and still allows him to fall back on his comfort zone. He may need time to get comfortable with the exercise of using those words. A lot of people who naturally use this word think just because it comes easily for them, that it should come easily to everyone, and that's simply not the case.

Anyrate, best to you and I hope things work out for the best for you both.


MNN




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 9:08:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressNoName


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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

How about asking him if he loves you? Men sometimes can't verbalize the word love and they show it by their actions. The best way to find out is just ask.


I agree with the others who have suggested you talk to him about it. I disagree with the above approach, however, and here's why. Many people have difficulty expressing their feelings, and it could be men or women. Yes, Virginia, women have trouble in this area as well. I know this from personal experience. I grew up with a mother who literally could not say the words. And that does not mean she doesn't love me. She just cannot express it in those words. But the thing that usually happens when someone is asked outright, "do you love me?" their natural defenses kick in. they feel cornered and the pat answer that most give is a mumbled version of, "of course, I love you..." What then follows is the question, "then why don't you ever tell me?" And once that question hits the floor, it's all over. Because there is no easily rendered answer to the question, "why?" All the other person hears is accusation.

I think the better way to approach this is from the point of view of telling him how you feel and why you would like to hear him say he loves you...and try not to get hung up on the "needing" to hear it. You don't really need it, you want it. You can live without it, it just is a thousand times better to hear it. But want is different than need. And telling someone you need to hear something they may not be able to say can also set in motion feelings of guilt that ultimately may undermine what you're hoping to achieve in the first place.

If it ends up being that he does love you but has trouble expressing it in words and prefers showing it in other ways, that could be just as valid. Perhaps you can discuss some sort of compromise that gives you what you want some of the time and still allows him to fall back on his comfort zone. He may need time to get comfortable with the exercise of using those words. A lot of people who naturally use this word think just because it comes easily for them, that it should come easily to everyone, and that's simply not the case.

Anyrate, best to you and I hope things work out for the best for you both.


MNN


Yes you have a point but beating around the bush doesn't help things either. Everyone must do the way they feel is right. I am not a beat around the bush type of person. Sometimes it hasn't gotten me the answer I want but that is life. Waiting for someone to make up their mind and make excuses doesn't work for me.  It doesn't work for everyone but it it has for me for many years.

What works for one doesn't for some. I posted my opinion about what has worked for me and I stick by it. [:)]





MistressNoName -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 9:44:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

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ORIGINAL: MistressNoName


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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

How about asking him if he loves you? Men sometimes can't verbalize the word love and they show it by their actions. The best way to find out is just ask.


I agree with the others who have suggested you talk to him about it. I disagree with the above approach, however, and here's why. Many people have difficulty expressing their feelings, and it could be men or women. Yes, Virginia, women have trouble in this area as well. I know this from personal experience. I grew up with a mother who literally could not say the words. And that does not mean she doesn't love me. She just cannot express it in those words. But the thing that usually happens when someone is asked outright, "do you love me?" their natural defenses kick in. they feel cornered and the pat answer that most give is a mumbled version of, "of course, I love you..." What then follows is the question, "then why don't you ever tell me?" And once that question hits the floor, it's all over. Because there is no easily rendered answer to the question, "why?" All the other person hears is accusation.

I think the better way to approach this is from the point of view of telling him how you feel and why you would like to hear him say he loves you...and try not to get hung up on the "needing" to hear it. You don't really need it, you want it. You can live without it, it just is a thousand times better to hear it. But want is different than need. And telling someone you need to hear something they may not be able to say can also set in motion feelings of guilt that ultimately may undermine what you're hoping to achieve in the first place.

If it ends up being that he does love you but has trouble expressing it in words and prefers showing it in other ways, that could be just as valid. Perhaps you can discuss some sort of compromise that gives you what you want some of the time and still allows him to fall back on his comfort zone. He may need time to get comfortable with the exercise of using those words. A lot of people who naturally use this word think just because it comes easily for them, that it should come easily to everyone, and that's simply not the case.

Anyrate, best to you and I hope things work out for the best for you both.


MNN


Yes you have a point but beating around the bush doesn't help things either. Everyone must do the way they feel is right. I am not a beat around the bush type of person. Sometimes it hasn't gotten me the answer I want but that is life. Waiting for someone to make up their mind and make excuses doesn't work for me. It doesn't work for everyone but it it has for me for many years.

What works for one doesn't for some. I posted my opinion about what has worked for me and I stick by it. [:)]




I think you misunderstood why I suggested the approach I did. I'm not one to beat around the bush, either. I don't think there is any place for it in relationships. I believe in being upfront and honest. The issue she raised is really about her. her want and her desire to hear words she is not hearing. It's ultimately up to her to deal with her issue. When approaching any subject with someone, it's always best to state how their behavior may be affecting oneself. The other person often needs and can benefit from hearing how what they do, or don't do impacts on others. And having this sort of discussion does not preclude the asking and answering of the question, "do you love me?" But the meat of the issue, is the way hearing and not hearing the words affects the OP (since she already believes he loves her). Using this approach gives her the space to state her position clearly and gives him space to respond openly.

But you're right, of course, to each her own.


Edited for spelling, grammar and clarification.




ownedgirlie -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 11:12:00 AM)

My ex husband told me he loved me all the time and it came to mean nothing because he was an asshole to me.

My Master very rarely tells me he loves me, but I see it every day in the way he interacts with me and the way he masters me.  We recently talked about why he is the way he is with me - why he is stoic and sometimes appears emotionally removed.  He explained why and whether or not I agree with all of it, I respect it and it has been very helpful to me in understanding him and why he does what he does.  Not hearing the "I love you's" is not an issue for me.  I hear it when he wants me to hear it, and that's what matters.

You may want to ask him how he feels about you, saying that he's never really told you before and it's something you've been thinking about. Ask him if he can help you understand his thoughts and feelings.




toservez -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 11:21:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

My ex husband told me he loved me all the time and it came to mean nothing because he was an asshole to me.

My Master very rarely tells me he loves me, but I see it every day in the way he interacts with me and the way he masters me.  We recently talked about why he is the way he is with me - why he is stoic and sometimes appears emotionally removed.  He explained why and whether or not I agree with all of it, I respect it and it has been very helpful to me in understanding him and why he does what he does.  Not hearing the "I love you's" is not an issue for me.  I hear it when he wants me to hear it, and that's what matters.

You may want to ask him how he feels about you, saying that he's never really told you before and it's something you've been thinking about. Ask him if he can help you understand his thoughts and feelings.


I loved this response.

I would concentrate on the fact you feel loved and to me that is exponentially more important then hearing the words “I love you”. I understand how nice it would to hear the words and to a certain extent sense it might be a need. I would just sit down if/when you have a state of the relationship type discussion and bring it up.

I am like with the others that telling him you need to hear it might make the words come out of his mouth but even if he truly loves you does him uttering them out loud make them sincere at the time or is he just saying something because you want to hear it?

I would recommend common ground and talk to him and let him know you would be grateful for a “I love you” every now and then but also work on yourself and consider yourself lucky that you do feel loved. Actions and feelings always trump words.





girlygurl -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 11:40:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subbieforHisuse

i am a white female submissive to my One who is a black Dominant male.  We/we are both in our early 50's and are in this relationship 24/7 live-in.  We/we have been seeing one another since 2004 where we lived together for about 6 months in 2005 and i just moved back into His home in Oct. 2007.
i am a natural submissive who loves to give to my Dom....anything & everything.  In return i get my needs met therefore we are both happy and pleased.
There is only one thing i am missing.... and that is the fact that He does not verbally tell me that He loves me.  i FEEL His love towards me, but at the same time, i NEED to HEAR those 3 words: "I Love You".
my question is this.... Is that natural for a Dom to GIVE His love to His submissive without TELLING her He loves her?
i need to hear your thoughts on this topic please.  i would like to hear replies from both Doms as well as subs please.
Thank you for your time.


Hello subbie (I'm replying without reading the rest of the replies [;)])
From what you've shared you've known this man for many years, so communication (I hope) is something that happens frequently between the two of you.  Have you told your Dom that you "need" to hear the words "I love you"? IMO that would be a great start.
You've been with your Dom for much longer than I have with my Sir, but when those words do come (and I hope they come for you) it will be well worth the wait!
Does your Dom have difficulty expressing his feelings in general? 

girly




batshalom -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 11:48:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subbieforHisuse

my question is this.... Is that natural for a Dom to GIVE His love to His submissive without TELLING her He loves her?



Replace the word "Dom" with "someone" and you have your answer. Many people just can't say it. What you have to watch for is his actions - does he act like he loves you?

The next question to ask yourself is "Is this enough for me?"

The next question is "If this is enough for me, does it feel proper for me to try to force this man to say something that is not comfortable for him?"

(I trust you have already talked with him about the importance of "I love you". If you haven't, do so immediately - he simply may not know.)




sweetwenchie -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 11:51:50 AM)

There are some Dominants who think that love will diminish their Dominance in a relationship, perhaps talking openly with him about his reluctance to speak the words would be in your best interest.  :)   While i would rather feel the love than be fed mere words, some do need to hear it as well as feel it, and i do not consider it a weakness.  Everyone has different needs, and if it truly is a need, not a wish or desire, you really do need to open the lines of communication and let him know.  Contrary to popular opinion, Dominants are not mind readers. [;)]

Good luck to you both!

wenchie




proudsub -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 12:08:13 PM)

To the OP, i am curious, what does he say when you tell him you love him? That's usually when they say it back to you.




subbieforHisuse -> RE: That word called 'LOVE' (1/2/2008 12:09:09 PM)

Thank you all for your opinions and views on my question.  All of you gave this some thought before posting your reply which i do appreciate.
my Dom and i HAVE talked about this in the past.  i have told him that "If you love me i would like to hear it".  i have also told him that i can FEEL His love even if He does not tell me He loves me.
i have also asked Him, "Do You love me?" to which His reply was, "Don't ask Me that question".  So, i have not brought up the topic since.
He is a very romantic, passionate, 'Daddy-Dom'.  i DO hope that one day i will hear  "I love you" from Him.
Once again, thank you all for your replies!




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