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littleone35 -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (8/25/2005 8:04:08 AM)

looks like i got to read more of his sonnets.

littleone




paladuro -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (8/25/2005 8:29:50 AM)

Someone posted the opinion that Shakespeare was gay-- comeon fellas- he had an illigitimate son, a wife with quite a few children---and he screwed around a lot - this by implication, no definite proof...




justatoy2 -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (8/25/2005 2:35:34 PM)

to paladuro. Yes Shakespeare had a son, and yes he was married. There is also a rumour that through his marriage he lusted after a young man. I took many a theater history class, and that is the theory that was bantered about. Is it fact? no i never said it was. But there is a theory that his beautiful love sonnets were written about a young man who he lusted after, while being married. Shakespeares work at the time was considered to be smut. I happen to adore his work, but then again i like smut. There is also a theory that he wasn't writing about a lover but about his son. Only he knows for sure. Anyway it is just my opinion. Certainly nothing to get upset over.




PAVANE -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (8/25/2005 2:51:41 PM)

really? the first elizabeth or the second one?




mnottertail -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (8/25/2005 4:44:19 PM)

Well, whaddya say? Let's dig this Bastard (Bard Bawd.whatever) up and find out.

Ron




PAVANE -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (8/26/2005 1:25:13 AM)

'I see you straining at the leash'

(forward! and upon this charge, cry
god for harry, england and st george!)

henry V




Ceyx -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (8/26/2005 7:52:53 AM)

The Taming of the Shrew is an interesting play from the standpoint of dominance and submission, although just try talking about that in the classroom. I think that people today tend to apologize a bit too much for Shakespeare's apparent sexism is this comedy; we can't imagine that our literary icon would hold any but the most elevated views-- notwithstanding the fact that the obedience of wives to husbands was commonplace and expected by his contemporaries-- and so we often read his plays looking for 'modern' subtleties that aren't always there. The play is far from simple in the way that it sorts power between Katarina and Petruchio. Shakespeare was always thoughtful, even when he was accepting the party line. Still, if it's too easy to say that Shakespeare condemns spirit in women and glorifies the 'breaking' of an uppity bride, then it's probably also too easy to say that Katarina ends the play just as she began it, and is merely asserting herself in a more acceptable or manipulative fashion.

My favorite quote is from Petruchio:

And as the sun breaks through the darkest clouds,
So honour peereth in the meanest habit.
What, is the jay more precious than the lark
Because his feathers are more beautiful?
Or is the adder better than the eel
Because his painted skin contents the eye?
O no, good Kate; neither art thou the worse
For this poor furniture and mean array.
If thou account'st it shame, lay it on me;
And therefore frolic....







Vancouver_cinful -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (8/27/2005 12:22:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: paladuro

It is interesting that so many of you (us) are into Shaksper--


LOL Not sure I am into Shaksper...never heard of him....But, I've been a huge fan of Shakespeare since an english teacher in my high school was brave enough to point out how randy and irreverent the Bard's plays could be.

If more teachers understood how to appeal to high school hormones, more of us would have developed an appreciation for literature. LOL Classical literature is full of bawdiness if you know how to read it.

Cin




Vancouver_cinful -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (8/27/2005 12:44:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

hmmm BDSM shakspear.


"Being your slave what should I do but tend
Upon the hours, and times of your desire?...
-Shakespeare Sonnet 57


Oh yes, one of my all-time favourite sonnets. I stumbled on that one a year after I started exploring submission and I went weak in the knees after reading it.

Cin




alapin -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (9/23/2005 3:37:29 AM)

There are also references of let's say slightly unusual sexual practices in Shakespeare's plays if you dig deep enough. For example, in Henry IV Part 2 - I think it is Bardolph who emerges from underneath a woman's skirts - or his eyes are peering from under her skirts.

When researching this period I also came across several references to BDSM - one instance was a relation of I think Anne Boleyn who took up with a serving girl and the two of them had what sounded very much like SM sessions with his wife. Its been going on for along time in one form or another.




KatyLied -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (9/23/2005 4:05:58 AM)

Here's some fun....A Shakespear insulter.


http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Shaker/index.html?




WickedKev -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (9/23/2005 5:42:52 PM)

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I concur. Historically, Shakespeare was notorious for slipping in the odd word, insult, or suggestive bit of innuendo. Not enough to rile the nobles, but enough to ruffle their feathers a bit if caught. Ah well, I still love my naughty Shakespeare.


True but he also knew how to brown nose and cover his arse. Richard III the enemy of Queen Elizbeth I family, he made into a hunchback and about the most evil man you could think of, which was just not true.




mnottertail -> RE: BDSM Shakespear? (9/23/2005 7:25:22 PM)

Everyone pokes fun at their leaders............

but sooth......

Yo, Bill........gi'e us a wee blowjob.
No, Bushido qoth"I'll have not I am a man of god"
Nay, qouth he, I have no mean doubt.
But the country runs wi'out my meddlin.......
You ar not a man of god, tho, tis true
So we have us a wee good godly man.

Praise be.........




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