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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 6:29:09 PM   
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my post was in response to Oceana's post. Once again it has nothing to do with you.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 6:40:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: takenbyjohnr07





my post was in response to Oceana's post. Once again it has nothing to do with you.


What exactly did that comment have to do with Julia's post?  Even she has asked you why you posted that to her.

Maybe you should take a little bit more time to form your posts since you don't seem to be accurately communicating what you want to say.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 6:41:13 PM   
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This isn't meant to start a huge Age and Experience flame war nor is it an insult to all the young people out there. It would be kind of self defeating if it was since I still qualify as one of those "silly young people".

However, as much as we like to turn our noses, stomp our feet in the ground, and pretend that we know everything in the world, I think there is still an equation at work in regards to personal growth that involves time and experience. The more passage of the time, the more experience and knowledge you are able to accumulate. Hence, time ultimately presents a limit as to how much a person can experience and learn.

The point I am leading up to is that there CAN (Note the word CAN and not the word IS) be a substantial difference between a dominant taking control over aspects of a middle aged submissives life and a dominant taking control over aspects of a submissive's life who is barely in their 20's and hasn't finished college.

For example, taking control over someone's personal finances before they have an opportunity to gain experience with managing complex finances can have a repercussion on the growth of someone that isn't present with someone who has spent years managing their own finances.

For mainly the Dominants/Masters/Whatevers out there who's demographic involves young girls (late teens, early 20's), have you ever been faced with this moral dilemma? Do you think it is an unwise decision to take control of certain aspects of someone's life when it might stalwart their growth as an individual?

Finally, leading up to the bigger and more controversial question intended for everyone, do you think a TPE dynamic (for the purposes of discussion, I am using TPE to mean an authority dynamic where major control over an individual's life is surrendered) at too young of an age can be an unwise life decision?




Im currently in the age group thats cited in this question, im 22 and i don't want a D/s relationship where someone takes complete control over me, not because i wouldnt love to be able to surrender to someone so fully as that, because believe me i would but because where i am in my life right now it wouldnt work. At 22 i'm still training for my job and living with my parents, im not in a position where i can give my entire being to someone 24/7 that isnt to say i don't want that a few years down the line though.
Theres also the big thing of i am only young and i know that i'm not ready to enter into something like that, really until i learn more about myself i don't feel i can give myself properly to someone as theres too much to discover and i need to do that myself, so that there doesnt come a point where im looking back going jeez wish id done that when i was younger.
But thats just me,  i'm learning every day new things about me, and about the scene and i know that i'm not ready for 24/7 tpe, but i also know without a doubt that its what i'm aiming for, i just know that for me to be able to give myself to someone totally and completley i need to learn more about myself first.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 6:44:52 PM   
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You have a really good head on your shoulders. Enjoy every precious minute. :)

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 6:48:31 PM   
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thankyou:) i am enjoying it i love the fact that there are new things to learn every day

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 6:56:08 PM   
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You are going to have such succes in life (remember i told you that)  :)

Heck you already are! i'm jealous. :)

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 6:58:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

The more passage of the time, the more experience and knowledge you are able to accumulate.
 Able to accumulate, maybe but, not always done.  There are a lot of people who never leave the town they were born and raised in and who never step outside the little box they painted themselves into at an early age.  They never experience anything outside the 'safety zone' of their predictable life, no matter how many years they live. 
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Hence, time ultimately presents a limit as to how much a person can experience and learn.
 Not really.  Many people only really start to live and experience life after they have raised the kids, retired from their job and, sometimes become a widow or divorcee.  This was the case with my mom, who was always an avid outdoors woman.  But, it wasn't until she was in her 60's that she started to do the things that she really wanted to do.  She rafted the length of the Colorado River, met a man through a dating service, sold her townhouse and, set sail on a 4-year adventure that took her out of San Fransisco Bay up to Alaska then down through the Panama Canal, up to New England and finally through the Caribbean to Trinidad.

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The point I am leading up to is that there CAN (Note the word CAN and not the word IS) be a substantial difference between a dominant taking control over aspects of a middle aged submissives life and a dominant taking control over aspects of a submissive's life who is barely in their 20's and hasn't finished college.
 There's probably a substantial difference in a Dominant taking control of any submissive of any age, with any amount of experience compared to any other submissive of any age, and with any amount of experience, since everyone is different.  No two are going to be the same.  Just like submitting to different Dominants has always been substantially different for me, regardless of their age differences.
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Finally, leading up to the bigger and more controversial question intended for everyone, do you think a TPE dynamic (for the purposes of discussion, I am using TPE to mean an authority dynamic where major control over an individual's life is surrendered) at too young of an age can be an unwise life decision?
 i was 21 1/2 when i had my first D/s relationship, although i didn't call it that and never heard that term back then.  Even though i was a soldier, i became the wife and property of my very Dominant husband, who was 37 and previously married with 2 teenage kids and he had a great deal more experience in this life than i had.  He took control over my life, even to the point of telling me to reenlist, when i had only joined for 3 years and had already made plans on what i was going to do when i got out.  He controlled all of the money, including my pay.  He decided to have me get half my pay direct deposited into my own account and the other half deposited into a joint account that he would use to pay the bills with.  The half of my monthly pay that went into my account was closely monitored by him and he had to give me permission before i could spend any of it.  But, that didn't hurt me any.  He showed me how to manage money and, how to organize the bills.  i already knew how to balance a checkbook.  He also did all of the taxes. Being with this very experienced man, at a fairly young age, opened my eyes to a whole new world.  He took me places and exposed me to things that i never would have gone to or experience without him, certainly not on my own and probably not with anyone else i knew back then.  Some of the things he showed me were scary and unpleasant, even kind of ugly to me.  But, seeing them and experiencing them helped me to see that life was much more than i had thought it was, growing up in my nice, neat, little northern California suburb.   Without him taking charge of my life when he did, i most likely would never have known of my need to be owned by another or of my masochistic needs.  i probably would have gone from one frustrating vanilla relationship to another, always wondering why i couldn't ever feel satisfied with any of them.   Being taken by an older, experienced, Dominant man, who knew what i was and knew how to use me well, was one of the best things to ever happen to me.  It's because of him that i was able to know, 30 years later, what i was looking for when i began searching for and found my Master.  And, it's because of what he showed me and taught me, back when i was in my 20's, that i am now able to be the sort of submissive servant that my Master wanted to own for a 24/7 TPE relationship.  But, my Master has His own ways and i still have to learn what He likes and He has done things to me that no one else has ever done and He's not done with me yet.  He still has a lot more to teach me. So, it all worked out for the best, when i was 'young' and naive and now that i am older and still learning. joyOwned servant of Master David

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 7:00:28 PM   
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lol i dont know about success but i do know i'm enjoying myself, and in the meantime im lucky enough to meet some fantastic people who are helping me to discover more about myself every day. what i've come to realise from some mistakes ive made at the start of all of this is that there is nothing more important than having an amazing group of friends from the scene around you who can go hunny he may say hes a dom but really hes a dum and if he does it again we might have to kill him ..... lol.
that isnt to say tho that for some young subs entering into 24/7 tpe isnt the best thing for them one of my friends is only a few years older than me and shes in a 24/7 M/s relationship and it works for her but she realised what she was earlier than i did, so maybe that has some baring on it all.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 7:08:02 PM   
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i think you alreaqdy know this, but i'll say it anyway. :)

When the right time comes for you, then it will be . the right time f. i wasn't given one until i was or you.  i was ready for a D/s relationship at 18, u wasn't given one until i was 47.  It was just my time. So now i am with someone who is perfect for me and we have a wondering and lasting relationship and will be married in the near future. i think that we both believe that had we met in our twenties we never would of appreciated what we have now. So you go girl!

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 7:12:50 PM   
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aww thats fantastic, im happy for you, and its true things happen when its the right time, and i believe that the more you search for something the less likely it is to happen. i've been in relationships i've thought are gonna last and they havn't for various reasons and now i know that i'm not ready for anything completely encompassing but i can't wait until that moment comes:)
im really happy that you found the right person for you though, its hard to find especially with the amount of timewasters out there :)

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 7:20:55 PM   
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You are so kind. He is going to be so lucky.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 7:25:05 PM   
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 thankyou:) the boards are far friendlier than i wuld have imagined, considering some of the messages ive recieved lol

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 7:31:53 PM   
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Some of the nicest people are on this board. Especially us. :)  :)

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 8:01:40 PM   
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lol you do indeed seem very friendly :)

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 8:09:14 PM   
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I haven't read the whole thread as it seems to have gotten bogged down in opinionated lunacy by clueless people as usual these days.  However, MR, the original OP are great questions.  As a young professional promoted to business ownership I didn't start out writing checks and making accounting decisions.  I learned by watching the pre-existing owners, talking with the accountants, reading the financial reports, etc.  While I think taking over finances and not keeping the s type in the loop could stunt their learning curve, taking over finances and including them in why one made the decisions they did would be entirely different.

With regard to a TPE, I don't see it as stunting for the simple fact that if someone has the personality to be controlled in a TPE situation their growth is in that direction.  One can still learn an immense amount about themselves and life while relinquishing control over it.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 8:49:48 PM   
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Kids nowadays - give 'em a computer and they all become philosophers. 
 
Don't you think your questions are rather rhetorical?  And if some 20 something feels that her place is in slavery, why would she need to be able to manager her finances?  If she is going the slavery route, she won't have any finances to manage. 
 
You are also assuming that everyone is taking control of their life and having experiences that add value to it.  In today's world of video games and shopping, few are taking advantage of real life and adding to their cache of growth experiences.  Their "real life" experience is building an avatar for WoW or 2nd life.  Woot.
 
you should try posing the question you wish to ask to yourself to see if the answer is obvious before throwing it out to the group.
 
Also, I think you meant "stunt" instead of "stalwart".
 
Stalwart growth is a good thing.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 9:05:40 PM   
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LOL same school I went to,basically learned how to make cream of wheat,knit a pair of slippers,cut out ans sew a totebag,and a dress(which my mom sewed finally because I just didn't get it)And I still don't know how to work a sewing machine now either.Learning to balance a checkbook would have been a lot better skill to have learned back then.
LOL I'm not sure who is older - in my Home Ec class, we learned sewing and cooking.  Us girls didn't have to worry our little heads with matters like finances. 
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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 9:07:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Invictus754

And if some 20 something feels that her place is in slavery, why would she need to be able to manager her finances?  If she is going the slavery route, she won't have any finances to manage. 

 
And what if he decides that she is to handle the bookkeeping as another household chore?  Or maybe he just doesn't want to be bothered with doing hers. 
 
But seriously, there isn't some sort of BDSM blueprint that prohibits all slaves from doing finances.  Or that requires all Masters to handle the finances.  That's rather intuitive considering that there isn't any "one true way".
 
Just something to consider.
 
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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 9:44:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: takenbyjohnr07

Thanks for sharing that list with me. So it is still . Here in Florida. i will look at it some more. It's very interesting.


Nope, Florida, like many states is 16/18 for a crime as is actually indicated on the list someone provided and she doesn't live in the US as kyra pointed out AND it's hilarious you're actually accusing KoM of being a felon in this regard by your statements.

(guys this is a good thread and we need to stop referencing unreferencable things in it please, if my post does that even after editing, please remove it Mods.)



I wanted to add something as I thought of this.  My grandparents were not into BDSM d/s (shudder to think about it) but they had a rather old school type relationship as was common for their time.  She wasn't unintelligent, she had a college degree and taught for awhile, which was uncommon for women then. (yeah yeah I'm old).  However, when he died, she was unable to care for herself financially at all.  She did not know how to write a check and became prey for several scammers.  She got ill and my mother took over her finances before it became too much of an issue. 

Up until I saw the effect it had on her when he died suddenly, I always respected and admired their relationship.  When he was gone, she was so completely lost, confused and frustrated by her inability to live without him.  I think balance is a good thing even if balance is taking control and educating on the things you are controlling.  Please don't think my statements are judging authority dynamics, they aren't at all.  The question just caused me to reflect on my grandparents and how wonderful their relationship was until she was alone.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 9:59:30 PM   
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That's the way it was in Florida when I moved from there in 1984 also.........Taken, I think you need to bone up on current events.

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