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Some thoughts on Edge Play - 7/9/2004 7:02:28 PM   
MsterJimNY


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I wrote the following essay a while back and I recently brought it out to read it again.. Any thoughts.. comments?

How many times have you heard someone say, “A good dominant is …” and then list a skill set? Phrases like “safe, sane, and consensual”- with specific do’s and don’ts?When we think about learning or teaching dominance and submission, we tend to think in terms of check lists . -New people say, “Give me the good websites” or “offer a workshop so I can do
hands-on learning Even better, “Give me a book that, at the end of teach chapter, has a checklist so I know how to recognize or learn good skills”. Experienced scene people say, “Go read this, and come to workshops to learn.” The focus is on measurable, teachable, learnable skills

That’s the reason when we talk about S/M that we only talk about the usual things like caning and flogging, waxing or fire – the physical things that lend themselves to a checklist for measuring
safe, sane and consensual. No one wants to talk about edge play because it doesn’t lend itself to check lists, and it can’t really be taught.

Engaging in edge play involves making a shift from the physical set to the challenge of the cerebral. It is the shift between the skill of giving (or receiving!) a hard flogging, and the mindset that requires a submissive to write a soul-bearing letter to a dominant who understands what to do with the information. It is the difference between the skill of being bound tightly and flogged for two hours, and the mindset of requiring a submissive woman never to shave her armpits or legs. It is the contrast between skilled, publicly oriented play at the clubs on a Saturday
night, and the intensely intimate mindset of owning, and of being owned. This is the contrast between skill-based sensation play, and mind-centered edge play.

No one wants to hear that you can best learn edge play simply by paying attention. How can you measure that? How can you know when you’ve learned enough?How do you know if you are doing it right? How can you know if you’ve picked someone safe to play with, if you don’t have a list of things that makes people play
safe?

When you elect to do mind-centered edge play, it’s like playing out on thin ice. There aren’t a lot of rules, and there aren’t a lot of players, and there are no checklists.The only person you can trust out that far out on the ice is yourself. Will you be able to trust yourself enough to pay close attention to the sounds the ice makes? Does that
particular noise signal more danger than you want to take on? Will you trust yourself enough to choose wisely among those you play with out on the edge? Will you trust yourself enough to stop when you’ve had enough? And if you go too far, will you be able to trust yourself enough to get back?

The elegant endorphin rush of edge play is not teachable, but it is learnable. Edge play is learned by paying attention, paying attention to yourself, and to those with whom you play. The beauty and exciting potential of moving from the realm of the physical to the cerebral is achieved solely through paying deep attention, and teaching yourself.

And when the ice cracks, and your feet get wet, will you trust yourself enough to say, “ I should have chosen better?” Or will you take refuge in assigning blame to the ice for breaking? Will you trust yourself enough to say, ”Now I know more about edge play for the next time.” Or will you say ”He should have eliminate the danger out here; he should have made sure my feet would never get wet” ?

It’s wild and free on the edge of the ice. Playing here requires you to sharpen your own skates, know your own abilities and trust in yourself enough to skate fast enough to outrun the cracks. Ready to lace up?

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RE: Some thoughts on Edge Play - 7/9/2004 10:14:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsterJimNY

That’s the reason when we talk about S/M that we only talk about the usual things like caning and flogging, waxing or fire – the physical things that lend themselves to a checklist for measuring
safe, sane and consensual. No one wants to talk about edge play because it doesn’t lend itself to check lists, and it can’t really be taught.


I don't think that has anything to do with why edgeplay isn't a common topic. Edges are personal things, and different for everyone. My edges aren't like the same as your edges, so to discuss it without the specifics can be a nice mental exercise but often isn't particularly useful.

I do some shit that freaks people out (their issue, not mine). Saturday nite I had 70 or 80 needles and half a dozen steinman pins in my chest, and a hand around my throat exerting pressure on my carotids periodically. For some people that would be seriously edgy. For me it was great fun and not much of a challenge at all.

Talk to me about edges and I'm going to be thinking OTK spankings while the person across the table from me might be thinking about enemas and the hot chick in the corner conjures visions of signal whips at the mention of the word "edgeplay". Apples, table legs and Buicks. We're not on the same page, so it makes it pretty difficult to communicate effectively. The specifics aren't there because we need a "checklist" of some sort; they're there so that we know what the words means to each other.

I can talk in generalities about edgeplay all night, but that's not going to tell anyone how to help me dance there. I have to talk about the things that push *me* as an individual or it's a waste of our energies (assuming of course that the plan is to explore some of those edges and not just rhapsodize about them. If all you want to do is talk, then feel free to wax eloquent, of course). People don't talk about "edgeplay" because the word is defined by the individual. We talk about the specifics because they're the roadmap to get to those edges.

If i don't trust that the person on the other end of the conversation can handle the mental aspects (and I don't disagree that they're paramount to successful edgeplay) then the subject isn't going to get off the ground. The mental preparedness is a given, before I ever start the trip. It's important to know the why's, but it doesn't do much good if you don't have a clue about the how's.

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RE: Some thoughts on Edge Play - 7/11/2004 6:32:10 PM   
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I agree that there aren't a lot of people out there that discuss edgeplay, but I disagree that it cannot be taught. Edgeplay takes on so many different sadistic mediums. Fire, needles, blades (yum), face slapping, play rape...the list goes on and on. But most, if not all of these mediums can be taught. You can teach the safety measures within a needleplay scene: Ensure that you wear gloves, check and see if your partner has any latex allergies, use a sharps container, have good lighting, clean the surface to be pierced with alcohol... Same thing with most anything else.

A lot of people, it seems, do not want to discuss edgeplay because one...it does inspire some fear. I wouldnt want to tell a new slave about how I would like to cut a pretty design into her back. I'm sure there would be some fear there. Many people dont want to be known as "extreme" for fear of being judged. If you want to discuss edgeplay...hey, fire away. I'll be happy to read anything you have to say.

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RE: Some thoughts on Edge Play - 7/11/2004 6:45:18 PM   
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~personally i think in your essay you are exploring 2 different things..yes they overlap, but at least for me, they can be 2 very distinct ideas..

edge play for me.. is that which makes me and many times my play partner stick our toes over the edge.. and see how much of our bodies can go over the side before the freefall.. and its often different every time, often it does depend on the mindset before play.. but sometimes.. even the flogger can be edge play.. sometimes..i need a knife *grins and remembers* on my neck, with the whisper.. dont move.... but edge play in the physical term, can be taught, can be learned AND is not for everyone.. Tops and bottoms, Doms and subs included, some folks dont like to receive it, and some cant imagine giving it.. if you had told me 5 yrs old, that i would be close to orgasming cause i had a knife on my tongue i would have said you were nuts..

mental play is something that to me, can be so elusive, its intangible at best, and fleeting... its hard to find, impossible to teach and requires a level of communication that simply isnt easy to find.. again.. this is just me.. but..

i could probably meet someone with a good rep, all the right safety things, watch them play and do some edgy stuff wiht them.. but to have them in my mind.. playing wiht my submission on a mental level is not going to happen..

*looks back over my writing, and grins to realize.. that the paragraph devoted to edge play is so much longer then the one devoted to mind play.. simply because some things i cant put into words, they are so rare and cherished and a lot of work.. that to restrict them to mere words simply doesnt do them justice

mely

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RE: Some thoughts on Edge Play - 8/1/2004 5:00:34 PM   
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I find it amusing to see that the replies to this post all start out with, basically, "No, that's not what edge play is about," then proceed to describe edgeplay as being exactly what MstrJimNY said it was, albeit in different terms.

Edgeplay is about pushing limits. These limits are different for some than others. My first slave did not feel his limits being pushed until we approached actual damage, while my second was "on the edge" as soon as I put handcuffs on him. This is what makes an edgeplaying top's job so difficult: At what point is this particular bottom going to approach the edge?

It is entirely mental. The mental aspect of edgeplay is the transformative area that makes BDSM a magical activity. When your mind begins to expand, you are approaching the edge. When the concious mind is gone, and only the id is participating, you are in the edgeplay zone. Where that zone begins will be different for each player. Your zone may begin with the flogger, while mine starts with the fear.

My last slave used to call it "releasing the monster." My monster was only realeased when I was able to put him in a position of terror.

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RE: Some thoughts on Edge Play - 8/1/2004 5:47:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dhampir

I find it amusing to see that the replies to this post all start out with, basically, "No, that's not what edge play is about," then proceed to describe edgeplay as being exactly what MstrJimNY said it was, albeit in different terms.


I obviously read his post differently than you did. I saw the essay as addressing why edgeplay generalities weren't talked about, and explained my perspective on that. I don't know that I disagreed with him at all about what edgeplay *is*, but that had nothing to do with my post.

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RE: Some thoughts on Edge Play - 8/2/2004 5:46:40 AM   
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MsterJimNY,

Since you have solicited comments, here are mine.

While I think I understand what you are trying to say, it does appear that you are talking about two (only somewhat) related issues:

Why edge play isn’t discussed often
The definition of edge play and how it is often different for everyone.

I think I somewhat agree with why edge play isn’t discussed often and certainly not offered up as a seminar, book, website, etc. But there are also other reasons. The liability of “giving instructions” on how to approach edge play is huge. Edge play IS different for everyone (though if you look you can often find some common themes). Edge play is often “fucking with your partners head” – which while it can be fun, is not an undertaking to entered into lightly.

I disagree about not being able to teach edge play. At the very least the concepts and goals of edge play can be taught and discussed. Your correct, edge play doesn’t really lend itself to checklists, and it tends to stray a bit from the “safe, sane, and consensual” mantra that is often drilled into the heads of newbies as being the “Only right way”.

By definition edge play is NOT safe, and to any one viewing from the outside, I doubt that it appears to qualify as sane. It is not for those that don’t have a clear idea of what they are doing. That being said, I am quite sure that many (myself included) were/are introduced to edge play without really knowing what it was/is at the time. They just know that it was intense, VERY intense. And it is addictive. Very addictive.

Engaging in edge play with a relatively unknown partner is usually not such a good plan – and can lead to some very unpredictable outcomes. But with two who understand and trust each other, it rocks.

Just my .02

Terry

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