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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 5:05:37 PM

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We all need to get out and WALK a few miles everyday.
When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's almost everyone was thin becaused they walked everywhere.
Now, everyone is driven.
You see the yuppies parked in front of schools engines idling to keep warm to pick up kids who should be walking to and from school.
These are the same people who chide others for not being "green" enough.
We need to get rid of 2/3 of the school buses in this country.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 5:06:15 PM

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I don't think it's so much the surgery as losing weight that helped. I know it's hard to lose, but I also know the risks for the surgery and I believe it should be the very last resort. I have heard of too many people thinking it would take care of everything and that they wouldn't have to worry about overeating because of stomach size. Truth is, as soon as the tummy stretched back to size, they had to face what made them eat too much in the first place.

I have also noticed that those I have seen pics of, or even in person, looked awful after losing the weight. They didn't look healthy, their skin was saggy, and their hair was usually thin. It didn't look like they got enough nutrients to keep their body up the way it should be.

Kudos to you, Level. I know how hard it is to lose anything at all. I am in the process myself and know for me it's a struggle everyday not to eat the wrong things.

Thanks A woman I know had the lap band surgery, and she lost a ton of weight, but eventually had to have the surgery reversed. She was eating as much as she could, then "purging" so she could eat more, and she ended up very ill.

You are very welcome, you deserve it.

That would be a real fear of mine. I have struggled with bulimia a long time. Part of that is if you feel full, you get rid of it. It probably would only make me doing it at a quicker pace than I am now, rather than putting a stop to it. I think that is why I am a firm believer in finding the root of a problem, be it emotional or physical, and attacking it from there.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 5:51:26 PM

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Type 1 or Type 2 diabetes????

There is a HUGE difference and the media has totally ignored that detail. I am a severe juvenile diabetice (e.g. Type 1 Diabetes) and I can promise you that concepts like this will do absolutely nothing for my disease. I can certainly see where they hold potential for many Type 2 diabetics, but that is a VERY different disease.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 6:17:37 PM

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Type 1 or Type 2 diabetes????

There is a HUGE difference and the media has totally ignored that detail. I am a severe juvenile diabetice (e.g. Type 1 Diabetes) and I can promise you that concepts like this will do absolutely nothing for my disease. I can certainly see where they hold potential for many Type 2 diabetics, but that is a VERY different disease.

Yes, they are different. Did you see the tests they're doing in South America (Brazil, I think) with Type 1s, though? Working with stem cells, they reversed the diabetes in some young patients. It's a start.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18040485

And, I'd urge you to read a book called Diabetes Solution, by Dr Richard Bernstein, if you haven't, muttling. He's Type 1.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 6:26:13 PM

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i have had the surgery done, i admit it is a struggle to take the vitamins and the supplements but i knew the risks and the things that i would have to change in my life to live after the surgery. And sometime i want chocolate so bad i can taste it, its your stomach that is operated on not your head. try walking a mile in the shoes of someone that has had this life altering surgery.... So if the people you are seeing don't look well then it is usually the follow up care that they are not following not the effects of the surgery. i know of several people who have gone to the same surgery practice that i went to that have since reversed their type 2 diabetes. My obesity was not because of too much Mcd or BK's i didn't have those things growing up i did lead an active lifestyle and was not lazy i had a undiagnosed hypo-active thyroid so before you go placing overeating and fat and lazy as a label for every obese person get all the facts before you judge.....

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 8:08:42 PM

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true, true, true...

my dad had gastric bypass in August, and to date, has lost a little over 100 pounds, and has not needed to take any of his HBP meds or anything else WITH THE EXCEPTION of his RA meds...

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 8:58:06 PM

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i would consider the surgery if it was made available to me. i'm not heavy enough to need it, but the limits on my mobility make me think it may be an option to consider. i can't walk anymore. i've been in the wheelchair a little over a year now, and i've gained 10 pounds. i'm unfortunately on meds that don't help with maintaining my weight, but i have no choice, they work for me. i'm concerned about the future. i currently can and do exercise some, but as my condition progresses, that may change. so i'd think about it if it were offered. i think alot of diabetics would.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 9:08:56 PM

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Type 1 or Type 2 diabetes????

There is a HUGE difference and the media has totally ignored that detail. I am a severe juvenile diabetice (e.g. Type 1 Diabetes) and I can promise you that concepts like this will do absolutely nothing for my disease. I can certainly see where they hold potential for many Type 2 diabetics, but that is a VERY different disease.

Yes, they are different. Did you see the tests they're doing in South America (Brazil, I think) with Type 1s, though? Working with stem cells, they reversed the diabetes in some young patients. It's a start.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18040485

And, I'd urge you to read a book called Diabetes Solution, by Dr Richard Bernstein, if you haven't, muttling. He's Type 1.

Yes, I am familiar with it.   I am also familiar with the "success" of pancreas transplants in the U.S.

My disease SUX, but I have dealt with it for more than 20 years and I survive.   I will not take the risk of such procedures when I am in a manageable state.

My BIG issue is the insurance companies' unwillingness to pay for the glucose sensors that link up to my pump.   These things are expensive, but they can take a blood sugar reading every 5 minutes and transmit it to my pump which has alarm settings.   It TOTALLY ROCKS, but the insurance companies are too proffit motivated to pay for it.   I used them for a year and had obvious A1C results, but couldn't afford to keep paying for it out of pocket. The BASTARDS would accept a year of data as proof of it behing helpful to my treatment.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 9:19:32 PM

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yes and the best/easiest exercise is walking. everyone can do it.

Not everyone. (Although I agree with the spirit of the post.)

I lost 100 pounds over 10 years through diet and exercise. THEN the diabetes hit and I lost a leg (to gangrene, not vascular disease) and a good bit of my vision. But because I had a good diet, and I continued even more stringently on a good diet, I don't have heart disease, kidney disease, or cardiovascular problems. I am on oral diabetes medication, and my quarterly blood tests show a hemoglobin level as low as many non-diabetics.

I have seen commercials where people say their diabetes "went away" after the surgery. I have a hunch that the surgery results forced them to eat properly, and that's what actually reversed the symptoms.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/23/2008 5:37:20 AM

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I agree, it would seem that if the stomach size is reduced, the intake of food is less, the sugar /insulin issue is more regulated by the times of day one eats and small amounts, absorbtion rates, etc etc. seems like common sense.
Its a drastic diet regime under a surgical title.of course it will make some kind of difference.
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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/23/2008 11:21:05 AM

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Well my slant on it (of course it is my slant on it) again has to do with nutrition.

People grow overweight because they eat too much. They eat too much because their body is not getting what they need.
i'm afraid i must respectfully argue against this belief...Not everyone becomes over-weight because they eat too much...i gained 150 pounds because they removed my th yroid and no one decided it was important enough to put me on any type of replacement medication.

Something that restricts the stomach will not allow them to eat as much, I imagine they feel full on quite a bit less food. If they are taught right, to eat better food but less of it, the deficiencies that caused the diabetes in this first place might be alleviated.
Again i think the error in assumption here is that people who are over weight automatically "eat too much"...i know it was beliefs like this that allowed me to not eat for 8 days solid once...Not something i'm proud of today, but at the time i really believed it was an accomplishment!!

This may work in Austrailia, but I have heard that people in the US sometimes do not respond to such surgery. But the food here is among the least nutritious around. That could explain that.

Through fasting and simply eating less I have shrunk my stomach without surgery. I get full very quickly so I am very careful as to what I eat.

According to the doctor's i've "starved myself" at times.......And yet i didn't lose any weight....So, i guess Your theory cofuses me......

They say don't do that, but I do not buy it. And I don't generally listen to people who make money when I get sick. What we need is a pay for health program rather than a pay for illness program.

More later.

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Today, i generally don't read threads such as these..... Because despite the fact that i currently walk 2 miles everyday, drink 8 - 10 glasses of water, and TRY and eat three times a day, i'm still not losing any weight..... And while Yes, i understand that some of You will say to me, but...It's different for You...You don't have a thyroid...Well, guess what, it doesn't feel any different!!! When i hear people making these 'over generalizations' my head doesn't go..."oh..it's okay, they don't mean me"...When people make fat jokes i'm not able to say, "oh..i'm different"...Or god forbid when i walk into a store and this buck oh five skank looks at me like, "wow...You are so fat You don't even deserve clothes" that doesn't seperate in my mind..
Sorry to rant on Your thread level

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/23/2008 3:24:11 PM

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Not a problem.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/23/2008 10:12:14 PM

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Level, i'm sorry...i know my rage kind of hijacked the point of Your thread....But i have some SERIOUS concerns about those people for whome this procedure may actually be benefiical.... One how likely is it that someone who attends a "counseling session" on one occasion is suddenly going to develop a healthy lifestyle with food? One of the bigger fears with how much society has jumped full fledged onto this bandwagon is that a lot of these surgeries are permanent........

Perhaps a big part of my frustration is this, as with so much else projected by both the medical and diet industry, is being somewhat proclaimed as a cure all.....Sounds pretty dangerous to me.... i don't know...

*walking away now from this world to a world where He supports the efforts and the actions that i take on a daily basis*

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/23/2008 10:29:14 PM

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Several members of my South Beach support board are type II diabetics and have either reduced their medications or been able to go off of them by following an eating plan that keeps their blood sugars even throghout the day. Not all of them have lost a lot of weight but they are eating properly.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/23/2008 10:42:15 PM

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Greetings:

i have read and heard of the band solution both on tv and through friends. one of my friends had it and due to band slippage and other complications from the surgery had to have it reversed.

i am a type 2 diabetic and was diagnosed in Sept 2006, since then i have made an effort to get out and walk daily unless it is minus 65C in the wind in winter or is pouring down to the point the street out front is pretty much almost flooded.

in my job i have no choice but to take the stairs to clock in and out if i want to be paid each week, but i also take the stairs here at home because i want to lose weight.. just over 2yrs ago i weighed around the 400lb mark and am now at the 250lb mark. i live a 15 minute walk from work so usually walk to work, take the stairs to clock in and out, take the bus home and then the stairs up to my apartment, some days i will walk home after work if it is light out but am not going to walk home in the dark.

i did it all by walking, riding my bike and am now doing crunches on an exercise ball, doing what i can for cardio here at home and will hopefully soon be joining the YMCA not far from home.

when i worked at the temp agency i would walk to work and get there for 5:30 or 6am, work 12-14 hrs a day, take the bus home, take the stairs up to the 4th floor, eat something, go for a walk, take the stairs up to my apartment.

my blood sugar has been pretty much under control since then due to what i have been doing and although it does fluctuate when i am sick, my doctor has said he is proud of me for having lost so much weight and that when i am a few more pounds lighter he may recommed surgery for my knees because of the left knee being higher than the right and the arthritis i have in them.

i didn't have mcd's or bk much growing up, was active until i was about 15 when i got hit by a semi truck and told i'd not walk again..... thanks to some military friends i am not only walking, but if need be can run.

having diabetes along with my metabolic disorder sucks because i have an extremely low metabolism and although i am on medications to prevent blood clots, heart attacks, strokes and to keep my blood thin i still do what i can... i take vitamin b6 and folic acid to control my metabolic disorder and am not taking any meds for my diabetes or other drugs to help prevent the blood clots, heart attacks and strokes. the b6 and folic acid keep my blood thin enough that thankfully i've not had to be medicated for that.

lifting dumbells at home, sitting on an exercise ball and doing crunches, laying on the bed if you have to and if possible doing leg lifts to strengthen your muscles helps a bit... now i realize there are some who can not do the things i do or have suggested but there are things they can do if they are willing..

to change ones body, one has to change their attitude and only the person who needs to lose weight can decide if they wish to or not.

wishing all well and thanking you for letting me rant,
aeleberaNB

edited to add: having a piece of fruit or something healthy before bed also helps keep blood sugar low first thing in the morning, i was told this by a former Master whose mom is a nurse and although you may not think it will work, i have done it and found my blood sugar not so high in the mornings.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/23/2008 10:53:19 PM

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aeleberaNB,
i just wanted to tell You congratulations!!! It's clear to me that You've worked hard on this and You well deserve to be proud of Yourself...

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