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tell me please... - 8/31/2005 8:19:19 PM

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What you'd use to sterilize a blade if you intend on using it in bloodplay and don't want to use a disposable blade?

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RE: tell me please... - 8/31/2005 9:10:08 PM

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Though I do not recommend this due to the vary nature of blood transferable diseases and lack of proper training for keeping instruments clean the following link will give you some information on steam steralization and the use of an autoclave or a pressure cooker.

But again I would strongly urge the use of disposable (and properly disposed of) blades if this is something you wish to pursue. That said and not wanting to be an alarmist just safe and sane....

http://www.uaf.edu/iacuc/training/module_3/3_ster_autoclave.html

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RE: tell me please... - 8/31/2005 9:33:21 PM

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hi..well as an instrument / sterilising technician...i recommend that You do use disposable, but if You dont really want to...thorough washing with water as hot as You can make it......a good disenfectant......and boil it for 10 mins..then........all should be well...but if You have someone who is infected with...well anything..........use disposable.......ideally steam sterilisation is preferred but........the above will insure some prevention of...care and responsability.........tsk tsk

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RE: tell me please... - 8/31/2005 10:04:17 PM

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My gut reaction to your post is if you can't answer this question for yourself, you have no place putting a blade to anyone else's skin.

But things aren't always so simple. If you're dead set against using pre-sterilized disposable blades, it's not the end of the world. As has already been mentioned, you can have the blade sterilized in an autoclave. If you don't have one yourself or have access to one, you can make friends with your local piercing establishment and they might offer such a service to you.

If not, there are chemical means of sterilization, but these have some downsides. Glutaraldehyde based sterilizing agents are toxic and ethylene oxide compounds are flammable, carcinogenic *and* toxic.

Is this a blade that you're only going to use on one person? Are you fluid bonded to that person? Then you might be ok using a product like MadaCide. It's a hospital grade bactericidal, virucidal and fungicidal product that also kills hepatitis B.

All that being said, I'd still get an autoclave if it's something I planned on doing regularly.

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RE: tell me please... - 9/1/2005 8:22:52 AM

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My gut reaction to your post is if you can't answer this question for yourself, you have no place putting a blade to anyone else's skin.

But things aren't always so simple. If you're dead set against using pre-sterilized disposable blades, it's not the end of the world. As has already been mentioned, you can have the blade sterilized in an autoclave. If you don't have one yourself or have access to one, you can make friends with your local piercing establishment and they might offer such a service to you.

If not, there are chemical means of sterilization, but these have some downsides. Glutaraldehyde based sterilizing agents are toxic and ethylene oxide compounds are flammable, carcinogenic *and* toxic.

Is this a blade that you're only going to use on one person? Are you fluid bonded to that person? Then you might be ok using a product like MadaCide. It's a hospital grade bactericidal, virucidal and fungicidal product that also kills hepatitis B.

All that being said, I'd still get an autoclave if it's something I planned on doing regularly.

~stef

As, you say, it's true that at this time I have no business putting a blade to anyone else's skin, but I have to qualify this. I have used sterilized, disposable needles & scalpels, within an established relationship and after blood work was done by both, but it wasn't a proper solution, for me anyway. The problem is that those disposable scalpels feel too small in my hands, and they're so damned sharp that they're actually more likely to cut too deeply from the slightest change in pressure than even the sharpest knife. Thank you for the info you posted: I will follow up on it.

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RE: tell me please... - 9/1/2005 8:30:11 AM

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Thanks femdom4u2besub for the link and thanks Slutsub for the info. Sure, lots of things in this lifestyle are risky, that's why I want to inform myself of things I'm ignorant of. Thanks for your help. C.

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RE: tell me please... - 9/1/2005 11:02:48 AM

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anyway. The problem is that those disposable scalpels feel too small in my hands, and they're so damned sharp that they're actually more likely to cut too deeply from the slightest change in pressure than even the sharpest knife. Thank you for the info you posted: I will follow up on it.

There are scalpel handles that are larger or you can wrap them with friction tape. As for cutting too deep, that is a lot more likely to happen with a duller blade than a sharp one since the duller blade takes more pressure so if the consistency changes (skin is a lot tougher than underlying tissue) the blade is likely to "charge" forward.

If I were in your situation, I'd work on my fine motor control and not opt for a duller blade.

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RE: tell me please... - 9/1/2005 7:04:52 PM

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consider autoclaving
if you were a barber, what you could do is get yourself a bamboo vegetable steamer................................

The rest will be left as an exercise to the reader.

Know. Learn. Think. Life is an acceptable risk, is it not?

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RE: tell me please... - 9/1/2005 7:42:44 PM

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consider autoclaving
if you were a barber, what you could do is get yourself a bamboo vegetable steamer................................

The rest will be left as an exercise to the reader.

Know. Learn. Think. Life is an acceptable risk, is it not?

Ron

An autoclave uses steam under pressure so it is above 212 degrees. A regular steamer isn't an substitute.

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RE: tell me please... - 9/2/2005 9:46:17 PM

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rub down with rubbing alcohol boil in water and rub down with rubbing alcohol then rinse in cool water. ususally the rubbing with alcohol and then rinse will work.

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RE: tell me please... - 9/3/2005 3:44:36 PM

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John, perhaps I am a little too obtuse. I know you have an impressive medical background.................

If I was a barber...........

that's where doctors came from........
A vegetable steamer is not acceptable, right? Alchohol is not acceptable, right? Staphlococcys (hell, I will never speel thiat!) is a common occurance in hospitals to this day, right? Septic happens, the most of which is what you go do between sterilization and use......thats the risk, them little buggers can find any way to grow and they will. But many people have pressure cookers, alchohol, uv of some kind ........ what is an acceptable storage device after? There are many medicos here and I am surprised no one else weighed in.

I am of an opinion, as life happens that the sterilization to use thread would be the most problem here. In an emergency, pour tap water or whiskey on them, and hope for the best.........but most of the use that we discuss here is far from an emergency no matter how one FEELS about it.

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RE: tell me please... - 9/3/2005 6:02:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

John, perhaps I am a little too obtuse. I know you have an impressive medical background.................

If I was a barber...........

that's where doctors came from........
A vegetable steamer is not acceptable, right? Alchohol is not acceptable, right? Staphlococcys (hell, I will never speel thiat!) is a common occurance in hospitals to this day, right? Septic happens, the most of which is what you go do between sterilization and use......thats the risk, them little buggers can find any way to grow and they will. But many people have pressure cookers, alchohol, uv of some kind ........ what is an acceptable storage device after? There are many medicos here and I am surprised no one else weighed in.

I am of an opinion, as life happens that the sterilization to use thread would be the most problem here. In an emergency, pour tap water or whiskey on them, and hope for the best.........but most of the use that we discuss here is far from an emergency no matter how one FEELS about it.

Ron.

There's a big difference between what people can be forced to use in an emergency (in my medic training we were taught wounds _can_ be cleaned with urine, but I don't see that in a hospital.)

As I saw it, the OP wanted information on what to do in a planned situation. That means, in my view, best practice. Such as live pressurized steam rather than the stuff that comes off boiling water and techniques that kill virii as well as bacteria. (Alcohol kills bacteria by dessicating them. Virii have no water content.)

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RE: tell me please... - 9/4/2005 10:21:28 PM

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After considering everything, the good advice found on the links provided, it seems an autoclave is the only through alternative to one time disposables. Thank you all for your help.

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RE: tell me please... - 9/8/2005 12:28:12 AM

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There seems to be a common misconception in the community that rubbing alcohol is an effective disinfectant. The truth is that rubbing alcohol barely kills many bacteria.

If you can't obtain the services of a proper autoclave, the only other option that I would consider is a hospital grade disinfectant such as Viracide, Opticide, Cavicide... etc. When selecting a disinfectant, be sure to read the label for what diseases it's effective against. And like somebody said earlier, these products tend to come with their own risks, they're designed to kill things. Including you if you use them improperly.

I personally use Cavicide to clean my knives, followed by a water rinse to get rid of the disinfectant. No, it's not absolutely sterile, but nor is the autoclaved blade as soon as the air in the room hits it. To me, this brings the risk of infection to a level that's acceptable to me. The important part is to decide what is an acceptable risk level for you and the people you play with provided that they are educated enough to make an informed decision.

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RE: tell me please... - 9/11/2005 6:38:16 AM

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If you can not have access to your autoclave right away...the BEST way to clean your tools is a ratio of 1 part bleach to 10 parts water.

This will kill HIV virus and 99 percent of other virus and bacteria.

I tend to use half and half and use gloves when using this solution.

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