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Toilet training...? - 9/2/2005 11:31:10 PM

MissTy

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Ick... I know the Dom that Im meeting in 2 weeks is fantasizing about toilet training.. He told me its not one of the things that he HAS to have in the relationship, but I would like to see if anyone is brave enough to talk to me about this ... What exactly does it involve? And is it safe/healthy??
I've done water plays before but never in my mouth, and scat.... would be one of my hard limits. Not into that at all...

Changing baby diapers is certainly icky enough... LOL Would I ever be able to do this for my Dom (if we decide to stay together)??

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/3/2005 11:34:28 AM

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You need to first determine what he means by "toilet training." Does he want to use you as a toilet or is he seeking to control your use of toilet facilities? I've heard the term toilet training used to describe both activities.

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/3/2005 3:53:02 PM

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i'm not sure about the long term health consequences of consuming urine or feces, however, i have been trained as a toilet slave by Master for close to a year now, it hasn't harmed me in any way, i trust that Master knows it won't have any harming effects to my health.

As far as the taste, you get use to it. At first i thought it was horrible, i hated it...now, i crave it, i beg for it.

Perception really is Reality.

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/4/2005 7:21:43 AM

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quote:

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Does he want to use you as a toilet or is he seeking to control your use of toilet facilities?

~stef

I think he wants to use me as a toilet...

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/4/2005 7:25:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: RandBcouple

i'm not sure about the long term health consequences of consuming urine or feces

Perception really is Reality.

I sure hope for your sake that its not harming to your body. I would never do it without knowing for sure... thats partly why Im asking here... Does anyone know??

Thanks for your reply thou RandBcouple :)

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/4/2005 8:45:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissTy

quote:

ORIGINAL: RandBcouple

i'm not sure about the long term health consequences of consuming urine or feces

Perception really is Reality.

I sure hope for your sake that its not harming to your body. I would never do it without knowing for sure... thats partly why Im asking here... Does anyone know??

Thanks for your reply thou RandBcouple :)

Absent a bladder infection, urine is safe to drink. This is one BDSM area that has seen a lot of investigation from a survival point of view. Research has found two potential problems. If urine is the only liquid and it's "recycled" over and over again, toxic products can build up. Urine can damage tooth enamel (hardly a consideration when you are in a lifeboat leagues from land). This leads to two recommendations: urine as an occasional drink rather than a steady diet, particularly if the consumer is also the producer and a swig of mouthwash after consuming the urine.

Feces are a riskier proposition. It does have a long history, even to being recommended in the bible (Ezekiel 4:12) and being an accepted way to demonstrate "self mortification" by the Catholic Church until a few hundred years ago (who says those old guys didn't know how to throw a party.) It has also been used as a medicine (but at about the same time they thought mercury was a medicine).

While the species of E. Coli that is most dangerous to humans is designated as 0157 and comes from cattle rather than human feces, there is a large population of bacteria in feces and a number of diseases can be transferred by ingesting even small particles (that's why the " employees must wash hands" signs in restaurant washrooms.)

Coprophagy must be classified, at least, as a moderately high risk activity. The risk is increased significantly if there are abrasions in the mouth or bleeding from the gums.

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/4/2005 8:59:40 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissTy

quote:

Does he want to use you as a toilet or is he seeking to control your use of toilet facilities?

I think he wants to use me as a toilet...

Perhaps you should find out exactly what he means so you can make a more informed decision?

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/9/2005 12:07:20 AM

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You really would have to ask a dr to really know if something has long term effects potentially. Common sense is a factor to things too.

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/9/2005 12:29:43 AM

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quote:

Feces are a riskier proposition. It does have a long history, even to being recommended in the bible (Ezekiel 4:12) and being an accepted way to demonstrate "self mortification" by the Catholic Church until a few hundred years ago (who says those old guys didn't know how to throw a party.) It has also been used as a medicine (but at about the same time they thought mercury was a medicine).

Wonder if this is where the first "holy shit" was uttered? Who'd have thought the old time catholics would be into scat play? M

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/9/2005 1:43:49 AM

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Feces are a riskier proposition. It does have a long history, even to being recommended in the bible (Ezekiel 4:12) and being an accepted way to demonstrate "self mortification" by the Catholic Church until a few hundred years ago (who says those old guys didn't know how to throw a party.) It has also been used as a medicine (but at about the same time they thought mercury was a medicine).

Catholics sure do weird things, although celibacy became a problem only in recent history, when they became serious about it (there was a saying centuries ago that the shadow of a monastery could get a woman pregnant !), but concerning Ezekiel 4:12, although some versions are not clear ("bake it with dung"), others clearly say that the dung is what is burnt to heat the cake, not mixed with the food. Check http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%204:12;&version=32; where you can compare dozens of versions. NIV says "using human excrement for fuel."

Concerning old medicine that now seem strange, of course mercury hasn't healed anyone (nor has ox-blood transfer), but I read recently that after 19 centuries of success, and 30 years of disgust, leeches are used again in some hospital (for their anticoagulative properties), because it's just as efficient and way cheaper than modern alternatives.

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/9/2005 2:35:07 AM

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Concerning old medicine that now seem strange, of course mercury hasn't healed anyone (nor has ox-blood transfer), but I read recently that after 2000 years of success, and 30 years of disgust, leeches are used again in some hospital (for their anticoagulative properties), because it's just as efficient and way cheaper than modern alternatives.

leeches have been used for decades, especially with replanted digits to get the smaller blood vessles flowing and unclogged again. it may be a bit squeamish at first, but it does get fairly good results in those it is chosen for.

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/15/2005 7:21:24 AM

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I JUST LIKE TO SAY IVE BEEN A TOILETSLAVE FOR QUITE ALONG TIME,AND OF COURSE I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF I THOUGHT I WAS AT RISK.

ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTED BY SCAT YET THERE OKAY WITH PISS.
PEOPLE ARE FRIGHTENED OF GETTING HEPITITUS OR SERIOUS ILLNESS THROUGH SCAT,YET THERES NO CONNECTION BETWEEN GETTING HEPITITUS THROUGH EATING SCAT.
INFACT THERES MORE CHANCE GETTING INFECTIONS THROUGH ANAL SEX.

PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH PISS BECAUSE THEY ARE TOLD THAT ITS STERILE,YET IT POSES ABOUT THE SAME RISK AS EATING SHIT.
PISS CAN TRACES OF A DRUG IN IT AND BLOOD,AS DOES SHIT HAVE TRACES OF BLOOD.
YOU ARE AT A VERY SLIGHT RISK OF INFECTION OR GETTING SERIOUSLY ILL.
AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT ILL AND YOUR MISTRESS/MASTER DOESNT HAVE ANY INFECTIONS YOU SHOULD BE FINE.

THE WORSE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU EAT SHIT FOR THE FIRST TIME IS YOU MIGHT BE SICK,BUT AS YOU GET USED TO IT YOU MIGHT ENJOY IT.

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/15/2005 7:46:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: TSMUK
ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTED BY SCAT YET THERE OKAY WITH PISS.
PEOPLE ARE FRIGHTENED OF GETTING HEPITITUS OR SERIOUS ILLNESS THROUGH SCAT,YET THERES NO CONNECTION BETWEEN GETTING HEPITITUS THROUGH EATING SCAT.
INFACT THERES MORE CHANCE GETTING INFECTIONS THROUGH ANAL SEX.

People can protect themselves with a condom during anal sex. I can't think of any precautions one could take with coprophagia.

While I do agree that the disease risks from coprophagia are overrated, the risk is far from zero. Both hepatitis A and E are commonly spread by contact with feces. I lost half my body weight in 1973 from cholera brought on by drinking water that was contaminated by feces.

Not being overly afraid is good. Denying known risks is not.

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RE: Toilet training...? - 9/18/2005 3:33:23 AM

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Which is more humiliating,pissing directly into their mouth,or into a glass,then making them drink it?

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RE: Toilet training...? - 4/15/2006 7:58:56 PM

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i don't know about it from a Domme perspective, but i think that drinking it from the glass would be just as humiliating because you have a chance to think about it, as opposed to just drinking it straight from the Goddess Herself.

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RE: Toilet training...? - 4/15/2006 8:18:14 PM

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My first Master taught me to drink from him. He had me drink both straight from him, and at times he would also fill up a glass and enjoyed watching me drink it. To my mind it was much more humililiating having him watch me drink from the glass than directly from him. But humiliation can be a good thing. It opens me up emotionally, my barriers are down. I know my "O"s are much stronger when I've had a little humiliation. I could go on, lol...

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RE: Toilet training...? - 4/18/2006 6:49:54 PM

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, even to being recommended in the bible (Ezekiel 4:12)

i dont like to sound finiky if you guys use that term, but im pretty sure that the fecies was used as fuel to bake bread, and not for actual consumption.

but to stay on topic, perhaps it would be a good idea to actualy ask a medical expert. I have been known to ask a doctor about safty aspects, as hey thats their job :)

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RE: Toilet training...? - 4/19/2006 11:08:49 AM

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http://www.collarchat.com/Full_human_toilet%3F%3F/m_4786/tm.htm

Their should be enough from hear to Help
You also.

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