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RE: Obesity within the scene: health concerns, question... - 9/8/2005 2:16:14 PM   
JohnWarren


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I think this comes pretty close to the definition of a troll "Someone who appears from nowhere with a statement designed to create dissention and vanishes."

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I know you weren't trying to be funny, but this made me smile.


Oh, but I WAS!!!!

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RE: Obesity within the scene: health concerns, question... - 9/8/2005 2:51:20 PM   
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.You bring up a lot about being health issues and I kinda boiled the post down to why someone would let themselves get so fat they became a health risk. I can't answer this but can say I don't think they done it on purpose. My response is I'm sure all those females are very appreciative for your concern for there health.
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The American society has a large fraction of overweight people, and as there was no suitable control group, it can be debated as to whether those within the BDSM community are, in general, more likely to be obese than are “typical Americans.” Nevertheless, this is clearly a health issue.


what did you mean by typical are you saying that typical America is not overweight the last time I looked the typical was a female at size 12 around 150 lb 5'5" Especially those that are in the age range you posted.

Food is an addiction just like alcohol and smoking ect... problem is you can throw that stuff away and live you cant just throw food away and forget about it you have to eat everyday that is like telling someone that smokes 2 packs a day he can smoke 1/2 a cigarette 3 times a day I can guarantee they will smoke the whole cigarette and prob. another.

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RE: Obesity within the scene: health concerns, question... - 9/8/2005 6:13:57 PM   
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Any thoughts on why there are such a large number of obese (and even morbidly obese) people within the community?


I have noticed a larger amount of obese men and women, in the BDSM community, in my own neck of the woods. Is it a larger number than is seen in mainstream America? I don't know, but it sure seems that way.

I once had a friend ask if felt my previous larger size (used to squeeze out of a size 22) was a imposing presence that I needed to use to enhance my dominant presence. This made me laugh uproariously , but it also got me thinking. Another time, I was asked if I thought FemDoms lost some of their ability to really "control" a man, if they couldn't control themselves (i.e. by maintaining a healthy life/weight). Again, insert uproarious laughter, but followed by careful thought.

Yesterday, I received a note from a man on CM, that said I was "very, very, very, very cubby!" I asked him what "cubby" meant, but I'm sure he meant to type "chubby." Had he read the profile, versus only looking at the picture, he would have noticed my note on the "old photo." Losing weight was something I could do (and DID)....but this man will not lose his rudeness, or his ignorance in his inability to read and comprehend profiles. (From what I hear, this happens often to larger sized women, with pictures posted.)

I surely understand a preference for a certain body type...I have my own preference for larger men. It always amazes me to hear from those that feel the need to point out that someone is fat...as if they didn't know it themselves. lol It is a tactic to make themselves feel better, by putting down others, so in knowing that....I just ignore them.

I've made tremendous lifestyle changes (physically, as well as mentally) over seven months, and now I'm happily squeezing into a size 12. I have not really changed my BDSM views, but I've developed a different philosophy on life in general, and have learned to let stresses go. I'm much happier these days, and make a very conscious effort to maintain a healthy life. I didn't want to get smaller, or lose weight, but I also knew that I had to make healthy changes in order to be healthy and strong. Fortunately, I had no health issues, except borderline high blood pressure that has since disappeared. My resting pulse rate went from 90s, to below 70. I didn't want to be fifty and frumpy, so I figured I better start working on myself now, or I'd be dead. I have a few years to go, but I wanted to be fabulous and fit at fifty, and I will be. Maybe....slutty sixty?

I like being physically strong, and even took on some interesting new BDSM related interests that require being limber and physically strong.

I don't want to be too frightened to scene with my partner, because my chest hurts, or my BP is elevated. I don't want to lose my breath, or have an asthma attack. I don't want to have to end a scene...having someone beat on MY chest.

When I first viewed how many men looked at larger sized women (I always just thought of myself as "fat"), I was a bit hurt, and angry by their reactions. With time, I realized my own preferences, and didn't see it as being judgmental, or prejudice. It was just a preference. Now there is a way to approach it though, that is not hurtful, spiteful, or nasty.

I too want a partner that is as healthy and strong as myself.

In discussing this topic with some friends, we thought that perhaps there seemed to be more larger sized people in the "scene" as it takes a confident being to come out, and be active in the public community. You'll find people exude confidence in themselves, and body size has little to do with how they feel about themselves. They know who they are, and they know what they want.

I tend to view many larger folks, in the BDSM community as stronger beings, and their confidence shows through in their acceptance of their body, regardless of the size. I envy those that are large and fabulous in showing themselves off. They know how to enjoy life, but I too question if their life may not be as long and healthy as it might be.

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RE: Obesity within the scene: health concerns, question... - 9/8/2005 6:30:53 PM   
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Food is an addiction just like alcohol and smoking ect...
No, it really isn't. I know we want to accept everything as an illness, but I don't get homicidal and suicidal if I don't find chocolate, buttery cake, or strawberry shortcake for 2 days in a row... Maybe after 1-2weeks, while PMSing. M

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RE: Obesity within the scene: health concerns, question... - 9/9/2005 8:02:23 AM   
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I did take height into account, and calculated the body mass index (BMI) based upon height and weight. This is a more standardized means of determining whether someone is obese or not.


According to the BMI my Master is obese. The man is 6'2", 230lbs and has 11% body fat. He rides his bike 18 miles per day. The BMI is not an accurate measuring device since it takes only height and weight into consideration.



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RE: Obesity within the scene: health concerns, question... - 9/9/2005 8:26:43 AM   
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Boston:

Your sample is skewed and you're making righteous assessments based on what?

Some of us are overweight, some of us are underweight -- it is for the individual to make their own peace, for the individual to competently decide for themselves how their life is to be lived.

For instance, I am looking for someone who intellectually pleases me. Once he captures my mind, obese or skinny and magnificently muscled, I will dearly enjoy the deep laughter he evokes in my domina persona.

Why don't you focus on finding a partner who pleases you, who makes you smile, who plagues your anxiety when yu are not with her. Focus on the soul of the person, not their eating habits!!

FYI: Most of us are intelligent people, your answers demonstrate you are elevating yourself above the membership. Darling, it does not work to be superior!!

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RE: Obesity within the scene: health concerns, question... - 9/9/2005 8:36:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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I did take height into account, and calculated the body mass index (BMI) based upon height and weight. This is a more standardized means of determining whether someone is obese or not.


According to the BMI my Master is obese. The man is 6'2", 230lbs and has 11% body fat. He rides his bike 18 miles per day. The BMI is not an accurate measuring device since it takes only height and weight into consideration.


I'm the same height and weight I was when I commanded a special ops unit in the Marines. Only an idiot would think I was in the same shape. BMI is, at best, a joke and, at worse, a marketing tool for doctors


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RE: Obesity within the scene: health concerns, question... - 9/9/2005 9:10:29 AM   
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By the same token, I am about the same height and weight as when I was 13 and in the 8th grade, but now I am in much BETTER shape. Another indication that BMI is bogus, but on the other side of things. I use my resting heart rate, BP, and performance on my ergometer to gauge my fitness level. Plus, I just kinda check myself out to see how I am feeling overall.

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RE: Obesity within the scene: health concerns, question... - 9/9/2005 11:03:40 AM   
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According to the BMI my Master is obese. The man is 6'2", 230lbs and has 11% body fat. He rides his bike 18 miles per day. The BMI is not an accurate measuring device since it takes only height and weight into consideration.




Your Master sounds delicious! Thanks for making this good point. I too would have a horrible BMI, but based on the fact that muscle weighs more than fat, the BMI doesn't really tell a thing. For the size I am now, I am probably 40 lbs. heavier than in the same "size" in the past (also taking into consideration the new "vanity sizing").

11% body fat, on a man might be too low though, from what I've read.

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RE: Obesity within the scene: health concerns, question... - 9/9/2005 3:22:19 PM   
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I had it hammered into me by my grandmother to not get heavy like my mom and aunt. I have taken this with me all my life. For the most part, I have stayed a good weight. Until I had cancer the last time, I put on weight..I went up then down then up again. When I hit my final high weight, I was very unhappy with myself. I proceded to lose 30 lbs. I still have 10 to go, but I stopped losing a year ago and didn't resume. I am happier with me at a lower weight and of course, all my grandmother knocked into my brain..Might not be good but it's what I have..If I get that 10 off, great..If I don't, oh well..

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RE: Obesity within the scene: health concerns, question... - 9/9/2005 9:27:29 PM   
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I took a look at your profile Boston, so I already know your height and weight. You claim you asked because you were wondering about the health concerns, although like others have said, apparently the overweight dom's health are of no issue. Guess they can all eat themselves into oblivion and that's ok.

But I have to wonder...while I am quite sure you are of an age (at 46) where you are not likely looking to have children or anything, do you ever become concerned whether your enjoyment for "intense testicular pain" could be detrimental to your physical well being down the road?

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RE: Obesity within the scene: health concerns, question... - 9/10/2005 8:43:49 AM   
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Your Master sounds delicious! Thanks for making this good point. I too would have a horrible BMI, but based on the fact that muscle weighs more than fat, the BMI doesn't really tell a thing. For the size I am now, I am probably 40 lbs. heavier than in the same "size" in the past (also taking into consideration the new "vanity sizing").

11% body fat, on a man might be too low though, from what I've read.

K


I think he's delicious! He's an ex-linebacker. He looks big and mean, but he's a wonderul person. The 11% is natural. He doesn't do anything special other than ride his bike. He's just got that genetic code that means that he produces muscle very easily.

For years, I listened to the doctor tell me I was 15 to 20 pounds over weight. At this point I worked horses for at least 8 hours a day and kept a very strict diet. I could never figure out how to lose that 15 to 20 she kept telling me about. Then finally one of my friends pointed out, "I don't think the insurance height weight chart took 36DDs into account. They've got to weigh at least 10lbs." Duh......good point.


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