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james2Jay -> RE: Wouldn't it be funny if all slaves went 'pro' (2/9/2008 8:25:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Not factually correct. Your knowledge is not impressive.


neither is your size.

now kiss my ass mental midget.




lronitulstahp -> RE: Wouldn't it be funny if all slaves went 'pro' (2/9/2008 8:45:55 PM)

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 neither is your size. 

 
are we REALLY gonna go there??? Sooooo 5th grade...[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m23.gif[/image]




Lynnxz -> RE: Wouldn't it be funny if all slaves went 'pro' (3/10/2008 1:38:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: awmslave

I notice this kind of (hidden) bitterness towards professional dominance pops up often on this message board. What is your problem? It has little to do with pros, look into yourself.


Kind of off topic, but I've noticed a good deal of (completely unhidden) bitterness towards pro anything by people who are into the "Scene".  In fact, I find that the vanilla people that I talk to are much more accepting of what I do. I've had people in the "Scene" tell me that I'm not experienced enough, that I'm not a "Real Sub" and that I'm just a hooker with a collar.

Trust me, being a pro-dom/pro-sub is a shit ton harder than it looks. It isn't (shouldn't?) be just waving a whip around and calling dirty names, and it's certainly not a few light spanks on the ass. We have to weed out the whack-jobs, the retards, and the "Very Experienced Doms" Why the experienced guys? They are the one's who won't listen to you when you tell them they are doing something wrong- who won't respect the safeword you set up well in advance.

Do I deserve to get paid? Look at it from a basic, vanilla point of view... I get hit for a living. And no, I'm not a damn prostitute. I won't even give a hand job.


***Edit***

Well, shit, totally didn't mean to necro... apparently I can't read dates. >.<




goddessAVA -> RE: Wouldn't it be funny if all slaves went 'pro' (3/10/2008 3:01:25 PM)

If I could find a pro FEMALE submissie who was not crazy or a drug addict I'd double my income-and all she would hae to do is get Dommed by me......wait, that might be bad.....I cannot tell you haow many clients would love to just watch or engage in light activities that have NO direct sexual/genital contact.  This is a dangerous but untapped market.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Wouldn't it be funny if all slaves went 'pro' (3/10/2008 3:16:52 PM)

Ava!  It's good to see you.  I wasn't going to check on that "N-word" thread, but I suppose I should now, to see if you helped bring it back to life.

I hope to be in Philadelphia in August......




cjan -> RE: Wouldn't it be funny if all slaves went 'pro' (3/10/2008 3:46:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub


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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

It's called supply and demand...
You will find that many female subs and slaves are treated extremely well, also....


True, but there's something that you're missing here. If you insist on using an economic analogy, then you must understand that the supplier is obligated to provide the product or services to the buyer in return for the payment made. A customer/supplier relationship is very different from domme/sub. The two situations can coexist, but it seems very unlikely that the money doesn't change anything. While it's true that a domme is still free to decide she will or will not do, as soon as economic payment is involved the waters begin to get muddied in regard to who is calling the shots.

Pro dommes - gotta love 'em. Lifestyle dommes - gotta love them, too. Non-pro dommes requiring tribute - treading on some pretty thin ice here. Depends on the situation. The reason often stated for a non-pro domme to require tribute is to ensure the legitimacy and seriousness of the sub. Considering the number of complaints from dommes about time-wasting phony subs, this idea has some merit. Willingness to provide monetary compensation, however, doesn't necessarily correlate with sincerity. Rather than showing legitimacy and seriousness on the sub's part, it may only be a measure of who has extra cash to throw around, or who is less wary of potential scammers on the domme side. It's also possible that the opposite is true: more legitimate and sincere subs may be less willing to pay tributes, because they see this situation as a "pay for services" economic exchange, rather than a real domme/sub relationship.

In a nutshell: gotta be careful about what is assumed.





I agree with you, dude. It seems to me, relationships are always an "exchange" of one sort or another. Untill , if one is fortunate enough,
you find someone with whom "exchange" becomes transcendent and irrelevant. It's just what you live. Bliss, in other words.




JerryFrankster -> RE: Wouldn't it be funny if all slaves went 'pro' (3/10/2008 9:20:32 PM)

Are you looking for a relationship, or just no-strings sex?

Both parties should contribute something to the experience. Surely you don't expect something for nothing.

Maybe you could improve the supply/demand situation by converting more vanilla girls to the Domme side.

How open are you about your sexuality? Fly that freak flag and see who salutes.




MollHackabout -> RE: Wouldn't it be funny if all slaves went 'pro' (3/10/2008 10:16:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub
True, but there's something that you're missing here. If you insist on using an economic analogy, then you must understand that the supplier is obligated to provide the product or services to the buyer in return for the payment made. A customer/supplier relationship is very different from domme/sub. The two situations can coexist, but it seems very unlikely that the money doesn't change anything. While it's true that a domme is still free to decide she will or will not do, as soon as economic payment is involved the waters begin to get muddied in regard to who is calling the shots.


For many of us involved in kink, the waters are already muddied, provided you respect your partner's limits. Can I really say I have total control when there are certain things I wouldn't do to my partner, as I know they're hard limits for him? Power isn't always as unidirectional as some of us would like to think.

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Pro dommes - gotta love 'em. Lifestyle dommes - gotta love them, too. Non-pro dommes requiring tribute - treading on some pretty thin ice here. Depends on the situation. The reason often stated for a non-pro domme to require tribute is to ensure the legitimacy and seriousness of the sub.



I agree that tributes are tricky, overall. I'd never ask for money from someone that I was in a relationship with. Were I playing with someone more casually, however, I might expect some degree of "tribute" - be it in the form of cash, or toys/clothes/whatever. A lot of malesubs expect every Domme, even a casual player, to come with a fully equipped dungeon through which their needs may be satisfied. I'm mostly fine with that, as I enjoy playing with said equipment. I would also expect anyone benefiting from my investment in equipment to contribute to its upkeep, and that certainly could take the form of tributes. In some cases, there may be more involved than ensuring the legitimacy and seriousness of sub.




CuriousLord -> RE: Wouldn't it be funny if all slaves went 'pro' (3/10/2008 11:43:24 PM)

I can understand your frustration.  It's like you're looking for a girlfriend in a bar where most of the girls are hookers.  The bar's great for someone who wants to buy sex for a while, but you want something less about money, right?

Perhaps CM isn't the best place to look for a legitimate mistress.  I've always had the best luck finding slaves in real life; perhaps the same can be said for dominant women?




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