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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 6:39:34 AM

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Why? Because gluttony is a huge problem that leads to many health and psychological problems. These health and psychological problems cause a burden on society. Gluttony is also a sign of no self discipline, something that is also needed in the world. What we see physically is just a symptom of a society.

I assume you're a perfect 10 with a wardrobe of the latest fashion and no bald spots or receeding hairline. If not, you shouldn't be talking about gluttony until you fix your own appearance.

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 6:40:59 AM

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How does baldness equate with gluttony?

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 6:45:52 AM

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I suppose anyone obsessed with weight would also be obsessed with thoughts of food equally.

Find the reasoning for that, remove it, and the obsession would be gone.

I cannot pity someone who eats (bad choice) foods in great quantity just to complain about the effect (weight).

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 7:02:24 AM

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ok...we can focus on finding me a gf....

Faery, I know, it's all about them, isn't it?

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 7:16:47 AM

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How does baldness equate with gluttony?

If women get negative remarks about their weight, men that treat women this way should get negative comments about their wardrobe and baldness. Look at all the surgeries women have just to get as close as they can to society's image of a perfect body. Compare that to the number of men that actually have hair transplants. No balding man should ever make nasty comments about a woman's weight. If they don't look perfect, they need to shut up until they do.

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 7:18:45 AM

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But that doesn't answer the question.

Anyway, if a guy works hard to keep himself HWP, I have no problem with him carrying that expectation as far as his likes/dislikes. Even if he is balding.

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 7:22:00 AM

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I cannot pity someone who eats (bad choice) foods in great quantity just to complain about the effect (weight).

I've not seen anyone ask for pity. Unless you count 'compassion' or 'understanding' as pity?

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 7:40:58 AM

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You can tell a lot about a person from the condition of their body. Diet, disapline, focus, vanity, morals, and laziness these are the things that shape our bodies.

Due to todays fast paces Go-go-go way of life, it is harder to find time to work on ones self. A lot of what we eat contributes, and of course stress and over work. But its not so much as one thing as a combination of all of them.

I find the largest problem of all is simply people are lazy, now I know a lot of people will use the excuse "I'm fat because of medical problems." and I know Im going to sound like a dick for saying this but, SO WHAT?

I found my self reading a medical diagnosis book while sitting in a doctors waiting room. One questionaire peaked my curiousity. "Are You Bi-Polar" after answering the question are I looked at the end result which said " if any of these aply to you, you may be bi-polar." In my opinion Magnets are bi-polar, people just have aditude problems. The point to bringing this up is that any one of the questions could aply to anybody. Such as "do you feel angry?" Um lets see, There is a pointless war going on, the price on every thing its going up, American Idol blows dead rats, and all of the presidental canadites suck. HELL yes I am mad.

Todays people just want a quick fix to their problems because they are to lazy to fix it themsleves. Look at all the Fat-be-Gone Pills, the Plastic surgery ads, and the stomach stapleing comercials. If you really want something you have to work for it.

How? Eat better, or just put down the fork all together. (J/K) A green apple has more energy for your body than a cup of coffee. Stop smoking, nicatine slows down your bodies motabolisim. heavy drinking up sets the liver therefor not allowing full filtration of your blood ending in you packing on pounds easier. walk 30 mins a day. Do a situp or two, it will not kill you.

Until you wake up one morning, look into the mirror and hate what you see enough to change it, your going to be the butt of every comidians joke.

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 7:46:07 AM

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I've not seen anyone ask for pity. Unless you count 'compassion' or 'understanding' as pity?

I refer to the title, obsession with weight.

Maybe if the obsession was directed to another area in one's life the circle of loss/gain would cease. I don't refer to anyone in particular in need of pity, yet I know many a complainer about their weight. They didn't get that way by merely breathing.

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 7:58:05 AM

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And i walk 2 miles everyday..And i drink tons of water...
i know that..i know i'm doing everything humanly possible to do what i need to do...However, do You think that it makes me feel any better when i see the look people give me when i go into the grocery store??!! Or god forbid a restaurant??!! And don't even get my started on clothes shopping!!!
i just really think there has to be more important things out there that we can focus on besides tearing people down because of the way they look....
Kali

You're right, that's gotta hurt. To know you're doing 'the right thing' for your body and yet you've gotta deal with the leers and judgements from others who don't know you from Adam.

I'm sure you've heard this '10 x 15th power' before, but I'll risk being redundant. What does it matter, honestly, what random people think of you? I spent the better part of my formative years hearing this from my parents: "If you're not skinny, you won't fit in/you won't find a boyfriend/you won't be considered attractive." All the while, looking at myself in the mirror---buff, athletic, healthy--and thinking, "Wow, they're insane. I'm fantastic!" Sometimes I look back and wonder how I ever came out alive.

Sure, it's hard at restaurants or at clothing stores. But yano, chairs are getting bigger and sturdier--and restaurant space/airplanes/whatever is not necessarily increasing to accomodate the need for larger/stronger fixtures. As a designer, I have witnessed this first hand and it's frustrating. Clothing sizes now accomodate 'the ego' of larger people. I was a size 10 in HS, and I'm a size 10 now. Last time I was at my parent's house, I tried on a pair of jeans my mom kept since 11th grade---you'd think I was trying on a size 2. It's common knowledge that a size 2 at an upscale designer boutique might equate to a size 6 or 8 at Old Navy, simply to convince those that can afford to drop $1K on a skirt that they're 'tiny'.

I also think it's hard to not make blanket judgements when you see someone who is grossly overweight. Ever been at the check-out line in the grocery and the very large person in front of you has every kind of junk food known to man on the conveyor belt---only to witness them pay with foodstamps? Such a dichotomy knowing the high cost of food these days, yet a huge amount of the lower-income population is way overweight.

But going back to my first thought----If you are honestly doing everything that you can do to help yourself, try to just focus on that and not what others here or there think of you. Hard, I know, but certainly necessary.

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 7:59:55 AM

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If women get negative remarks about their weight, men that treat women this way should get negative comments about their wardrobe and baldness.

They do, quite often in fact. Unfortunately, we're in a very judgmental society, women are no exception.

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 8:08:23 AM

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I'm sure you've heard this '10 x 15th power' before, but I'll risk being redundant. What does it matter, honestly, what random people think of you? I spent the better part of my formative years hearing this from my parents: "If you're not skinny, you won't fit in/you won't find a boyfriend/you won't be considered attractive." All the while, looking at myself in the mirror---buff, athletic, healthy--and thinking, "Wow, they're insane. I'm fantastic!" Sometimes I look back and wonder how I ever came out alive.

Very well said. People need to focus on how they feel about themselves, not what others think. I worked with a woman recently who was fat. And she was the first to say so. In fact, she had "big momma" in stenciled letters on the back of her car. She didn't care. She was one of the nicest and most jovial people I've ever worked with and the company treated her like crap. But she didn't care. She decorated the break room during holidays, brought treats and gifts for everyone, and was quite happy being who she was. She gave me the impression that if someone ever tried to call her fat as an insult, she'd just respond with "and?" Because to her, it just didn't matter. She was actually one of my favorite people to work a shift with.

Part of the problem of a judgemental society is the people who let it get to them. Which, I think we all do at some point or another. I am no exception. I've never been a 'stud' or the type women go for. I was made fun of in high school for being a geek. And to some extent, I still have "high school geek syndrome" where I will always see that geek looking back at me in the mirror, no matter what anyone else says.

Eventually, though, people just need to reach that point where they say, if only to themselves, "Hey, I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing and I am happy how I am. If you're not, that's your problem."

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 8:10:21 AM

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Such a dichotomy knowing the high cost of food these days, yet a huge amount of the lower-income population is way overweight.

mostly because lower-income families purchase processed foods in high amounts because it lasts (shelf life) for longer times before they can shop again. The higher income families can afford fresh fruits and veggies and even can afford for 2/3 of them to go bad and just purchase more.

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 8:10:29 AM

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WE...... are not obsessed with weight.

I haven't a clue what I weigh right now and I really don't care.

What I do care about is that I was able to hike and run through the snow yesterday, I can tie my shoes, I don't have to take any meds for cholesterol, blood pressure or diabetes, I can hike when I want, I can play with the grands, some people still think I am kinda hawt......

I've no desire to be a size two.

Life is good.

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 8:19:46 AM

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Such a dichotomy knowing the high cost of food these days, yet a huge amount of the lower-income population is way overweight.

mostly because lower-income families purchase processed foods in high amounts because it lasts (shelf life) for longer times before they can shop again. The higher income families can afford fresh fruits and veggies and even can afford for 2/3 of them to go bad and just purchase more.

I'd wager the shelf life of a bag of doritos/box of twinkies/can of chocolate syrup is the same in my upper-middle class home as it is in the home of someone of lessor means. Unpack/rip-open/eat entire contents immediately!

But yeah, I see your point.

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 8:24:31 AM

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A bag of cheetos has ZERO shelf life in my house. It never sees the shelf......

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 8:26:09 AM

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This is a sick can of worms. All my life, I have been a bit chubby. I was always picked on as a kid.
Now, moving on when I was in college, I had annorexia because my bf dumbed me for a skinny red hed. I nearly died.
At 48, I am overweight because of several factors. At Christmas, my idiot cousin started picking on my weight. He slamed the door in my face three times. It was awful. We will never see them again thank God.
For all you perfect people out there, I am glad you are perfect. For me, I am not the perfect one.

Regards, MissSCD

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 8:26:42 AM

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A bag of cheetos has ZERO shelf life in my house. It never sees the shelf......

Great, thanks. Now I want cheetos.

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 8:31:37 AM

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You are very welcome. I should then mention that Reeses peanut butter cups rarely even make it to the house.

Doing my civic duty to help keep the best junk food manufacturers in business, one convert at a time.....

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RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? - 2/7/2008 8:34:41 AM

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Why are poeple obsessed with weight? Sure, we all know it's societal conditioning. Just look in any magazine, turn on a tv, go to a clothing store and see what size the mannequins are. Heck, we buy Barbie dolls for our UMs, in effect, setting them up from the time they are toddlers to associate that skinny little body as the ideal. We are a nation that wants 'perfection'. We often throw away that which is not perfect, even if it still has a lot of life or wear left in it. Why? Because we want the new 'better' things. It's an exercise in excess, really. Why should I not have the best house? The best car? The brightest, most beautiful children? The skinniest body? The perfect trophy-spouse? After all, I ~deserve~ it right? Yeah....right. Of course, the reality is- very few people have any of those things- and yet, everyone WANTS them- and nobody is ever content with anything anymore.

As a larger woman myself, I have experienced the hurtful comments- and I have also had to wonder "why"?  And the best I have come up with is that being overweight is a visual manifestation of what is perceived to be a weakness. No, not all of us fat people are weak; some have medical conditions. But yeah- some just like to eat. Or don't like to exercise. So, as somebody said- it's a sign of laziness or gluttony. But...I betcha just about everybody here (including the nice folks that pointed that out for us) has some bad habit. It's just that you can't look at a thin person and pick out what it is.

We all know weakness in any form is 'bad', right? We are taught it from the time we are little. Yet, what other weaknesses leave such an obvious outward mark on an individual?  You smoke? Well, luckily for you- your lungs (which look pretty nasty) are ~inside~ and nobody has to look at them. You smack your wife around without consent? Well...we don't see that. You are an alcoholic? Most of the time, we don't see that either. You drink too much coffee? Procrastinate? Have a bad temper? Anger issues? Are an underachiever? Don't follow through on Your promises? Keep a messy house? You get the idea. Your crutches, vices, weaknesses are easier to mask. But, know what- they are still there. Might be something to think about next time you comment negatively on another person's appearance due to their weight. You have no idea what in their life has caused them to overeat- but...unless YOU are perfect, and have nothing of your own to work on- I think pointing out the perceived faults of another is pretty darn hypocritical.

I'm not saying anybody has to be attracted to me. Or to any other large person. We all find different things attractive; and as another said, that is- to some degree- beyond our individual control.  We like what we like...and sometimes don't even know why. Being overweight might not be healthy- but, then again, neither are a myriad of other things. You want to worry about my health? Thanks for the concern....but, let's keep the war on obesity from becoming an all out war on the obese.

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