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Intresting Question - 2/8/2008 10:32:40 PM   
MasterGallad


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Status: offline 		What is the moivation with the Gorean lifestyle?  I mean this is based of a piece of fictional liturature is it not?

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RE: Intresting Question - 2/8/2008 10:42:49 PM   
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What is the moivation with the Gorean lifestyle?  I mean this is based of a piece of fictional liturature is it not?

Yes it is....What really tickles me is when some use the term "Here on Earth".....LMFAO.... just my opinion....YMMV


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RE: Intresting Question - 2/8/2008 10:54:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since when did fiction become "meaningless"?  Must we now ignore Aesop's fables?  Greek mythology?  Cherry tree stories?  No more Farenheit 451?

The beauty of fiction is that it can be used so well to explore and reflect on ourselves in a world with completely different boundaries and contexts that non fiction is so bound to.

They see beauty and resonance, and they choose to recreate it in their own image.

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RE: Intresting Question - 2/8/2008 11:02:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some seem to get a lot of meaning from the Gor books.  I tried to read one and couldn't get more than a little ways in. I have no idea why they inspire the devotion that they do.  It would make more sense to me if people were trying to recreate the world of Dolcett, as he seems to be a better writer than the man who created the Gor books.  However, it does seem to make a lot of people happy, so, as long as they don't try to make me drink hot beer or fit into any of their ideas of how the world should be, I mostly just let them be.

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RE: Intresting Question - 2/8/2008 11:05:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Like everything else, it is a personal decision, so you might get a lot more answers in the Gorean forum... not all of which may agree.

From the outside some of it looks similar to those in the SCA who want to carry their status and power dynamics over to their real lives...and the Gor books appear to serve as a blueprint/reference for how to create a personae.

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RE: Intresting Question - 2/8/2008 11:06:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		LA...I agree that fiction is NOT "meaningless".....I don't see that on the thread here(so far anyway) I also see fictions value for a different perspective on things....TO ME it becomes something much different when fiction is actually "quoted" chapter and verse as some sort of authority....but again, thats JUST me. If thats your kink...thats fine by me....Everyone dances to their own tune....

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RE: Intresting Question - 2/8/2008 11:48:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like the structure of it... It's very creative and engages a whole other side of my brain .... now I've never read the books - heard they were drivel... but I like the way it's set up, the ideas of loyalty.

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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 1:44:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		The books themselves are a nightmare to read in general, whatever else he was Norman was not a literary great. However, what inspires Goreans is the content, and there are many layers contained within the book that describe and embody particular characteristics, actions, perspectives - an entire philos that is both note worthy, and worthy of respect and consideration.

Goreans are not trying to recreate the books, but to identify those salient rules and paradigms and apply them to our own lives.


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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 2:29:17 AM   
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What is the moivation with the Gorean lifestyle? I mean this is based of a piece of fictional liturature is it not?


Gor is a fictional world....and what of it?

I have heard that same sentiment expressed regarding the Bible, the Torah, and the Koran.

Motivation is. Is there ever much understanding beyond that?

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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 2:48:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		No I am not a Master but I do have thoughts on this. Let me state for the record I am not Gorean nor have I managed to make it through even one of the books. But I have been in the position of being trained by a Gorean Master. Tho many of the things I  really hated .. I find many things I  bring back with me .....Focused serves, when some one cooks a meal to be served to company they make and extra effort to make the meal and service of it more impressive. So is many of  the parts of  everyday service of a kajira alot of sensuality in almost every aspect. One thing that I did and didnt like was the intensity of the punishment. I  did like the fact tho there was less of the BDSM aspect in it with  him..  When you  got the whip it wasnt a good thing. the things I hated then tho I  find with Master now that I will be glad they had already been introduced. Motivation ... Pure servitude

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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 3:05:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterGallad

What is the moivation with the Gorean lifestyle?  I mean this is based of a piece of fictional liturature is it not?


some read the bible...some harry potter..and find something in it to continue what they do or motivate them..some extracted thoughts out of the Gorean books.
It is more an anti feminist series. In these books men are stronger then females. And it seems to attract a group of people.
I took some things out of it too..although..I don't treat my slave like they are treated in the books. I like the strict rules..and protocols.


What I myself dislike is that many people don't try to understand the books. If you have questions about it, they just reply with quotes. Visit an Gorean website..and you see quotes. Besides that...every reads a book differently...and lets not forget....it are just books.


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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 3:19:05 AM   
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LA...I agree that fiction is NOT "meaningless".....I don't see that on the thread here(so far anyway) I also see fictions value for a different perspective on things....TO ME it becomes something much different when fiction is actually "quoted" chapter and verse as some sort of authority....but again, thats JUST me. If thats your kink...thats fine by me....Everyone dances to their own tune....


If one were to organize one's life on the basis of Arthurian chivalry, Le Morte D'Arthur would ultimately be cited as the authority.

If one attempted to live as a Jedi, the Star Wars novels would be the authoritative text for what that means.

Those who seek to be devout Christians, or Moslems, or Jews, have religious texts as their guide.

For every lifestyle choice there are signs and guideposts. That is the order of things.



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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 4:24:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I look at Gor predominantly as a crutch for those who lack the creativity to create their own reality. I should imagine that for the vast majority of Gor enthousiasts, their sex lives seem to be entirely between the ears, as it was for Gor's author. So many are looking for rulebooks....

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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 4:39:54 AM   
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I look at Gor predominantly as a crutch for those who lack the creativity to create their own reality. I should imagine that for the vast majority of Gor enthousiasts, their sex lives seem to be entirely between the ears, as it was for Gor's author. So many are looking for rulebooks....


because there is the part of the body that steers it all ;)


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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 4:43:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Even within priests of the Roman Church, there are wide ranges of how people organize themselves -- from the ultra-right-wing Opus Dei, whose members still engage in mortification of the flesh; to ultra-intellectual Jesuits; to ultra-left-wing Liberation Theologians, some of whom have been freedom fighters in Latin America.  That's a small part of the spectrum of one interpretation of Christianity.

Goreans are a lot more predictable.  I know that every time I've had a Gorean kajira in my chat window, I've been the one who decided I didn't want to move things forward to making a phone call.  I've been asked to perform acts of degradation in front of a woman's children, so the kids will know the proper relationship between a man and a woman.  They are the only females (or pretending-to-be-female) I've talked to who seriously claim that they should have "no limits" and "no rights."  That level of unreality is a complete and utter turnoff.


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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 11:18:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		The books are pretty ok - easy pleasant reading - certainly not John Steinbeck or Victor Hugo but that's not what they were meant to be. They're fun and enjoyable. I hear a lot of bashing about Norman's writing but it is fairly easy to throw stones from the armchair. (How many of the rest of us wrote one book that was so widely received, much less so many of them?)

I like the structure and ideals laid out in the books although I am not Gorean. I think it can be a particularly pleasant belief system but then again I like high protocol. Say what you will, but neither your opinion nor mine makes much difference to those who espouse the philosophies. 

Good points about the bible, the koran, and the torah, btw. They are merely books of simple guidelines to be embraced or rejected based on the belief system of the reader. Most appropos.

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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 11:25:42 AM   
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Even within priests of the Roman Church, there are wide ranges of how people organize themselves -- from the ultra-right-wing Opus Dei, whose members still engage in mortification of the flesh; to ultra-intellectual Jesuits; to ultra-left-wing Liberation Theologians, some of whom have been freedom fighters in Latin America.  That's a small part of the spectrum of one interpretation of Christianity.

Goreans are a lot more predictable.  I know that every time I've had a Gorean kajira in my chat window, I've been the one who decided I didn't want to move things forward to making a phone call.  I've been asked to perform acts of degradation in front of a woman's children, so the kids will know the proper relationship between a man and a woman.  They are the only females (or pretending-to-be-female) I've talked to who seriously claim that they should have "no limits" and "no rights."  That level of unreality is a complete and utter turnoff.



Well I am following part of the Gorean lifestyle..although very light...compared to many. I have to agree with you that some kajira's go very far.
And for a lott  no limits..mean no limits.
I had my share... But I also had my share of weirdness with normal subs and slaves.

I just decided to let every one enjoy..what they want..aslong no harm is done to the ones..not involved



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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 12:11:57 PM   
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Good points about the bible, the koran, and the torah, btw. They are merely books of simple guidelines to be embraced or rejected based on the belief system of the reader. Most appropos.

I REALLY don't want to get into a big debate over this....BUT the "Gor" books are PROVEN fiction...theres NO doubt they are fiction....No one has proven that the Bible is or is not fiction.


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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 12:18:18 PM   
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Good points about the bible, the koran, and the torah, btw. They are merely books of simple guidelines to be embraced or rejected based on the belief system of the reader. Most appropos.

I REALLY don't want to get into a big debate over this....BUT the "Gor" books are PROVEN fiction...theres NO doubt they are fiction....No one has proven that the Bible is or is not fiction.



but does that mean that they can't be of help for people?


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RE: Intresting Question - 2/9/2008 12:51:50 PM   
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Good points about the bible, the koran, and the torah, btw. They are merely books of simple guidelines to be embraced or rejected based on the belief system of the reader. Most appropos.

I REALLY don't want to get into a big debate over this....BUT the "Gor" books are PROVEN fiction...theres NO doubt they are fiction....No one has proven that the Bible is or is not fiction.




Well ... yeah ... pretty much they have. I'm not bashing religion by any means - faith is there for a reason and does not need to be scientifically proven (because it's faith after all) but the works are not written by the hands of any god. Mostly, these stories were fables handed down in the oral traditions (because people of antiquity could not read, for the most part) and a lot of the stories were simply political propaganda. I am not saying they are not useful stories. I am not saying I do or do not believe in any particular faith. I am saying that these texts are, at least for the most part, significant works of fiction written to further the strength of a blossoming religion. (and this is saying nothing about the intentions / desires of each person who translated the gospels, like King James, nor does it touch upon why certain books were left out of the christian bible, like the gnostic texts.)

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