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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/10/2008 7:11:12 PM   
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I think it helps if there is some detail in that well lit well composed room though.  Something that could be innocuous, or could suggest something more.  A dog leash on the couch for instance, or a book on the table, slightly turned, so that one can see that the last letter of the title is "O"

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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/10/2008 7:58:24 PM   
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I think it helps if there is some detail in that well lit well composed room though.  Something that could be innocuous, or could suggest something more.  A dog leash on the couch for instance, or a book on the table, slightly turned, so that one can see that the last letter of the title is "O"


Interesting. Different tastes I guess. To me that would probably read visually the way that a cliche reads in a story. If you'll excuse me for using a timeworn expression, I'm one of those people who prefers his art to show, not tell.



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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/10/2008 8:21:16 PM   
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I guess I'm just a fair weather Libertine.  I can't commit myself to be completely devoid of moral restraint, but I don't need some fictional consecration to justify my actions.


I love "fair weather Libertine". Thanks for that. But again, on what basis do you presume that those you criticise are acting out of need rather than choice, or with any eye toward justification?

I  just  don't  see  it.



First off, I'd like to complement you one giving consideration to each of those who have replied.

To answer your question:  Because I don't require a dogma to justify my action, doesn't mean I'm criticizing those who do... through need or choice.  I don't deny that I have a less then a stellar opinion of certain trends in BDSM or society in general, but I try not to be openly critical of anyone who orbits outside of my sphere of concern.

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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/10/2008 9:40:29 PM   
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RECENT THREADS ON GOR, NOT THE PLANET, THE FORUM...

BDSM right or wrong and what is cruelty?
Gorean style is special
Do Goreans deserve a higher level of respect?
What is a Gorean vs BDSM
 
 

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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/10/2008 9:49:21 PM   
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RECENT THREADS ON GOR, NOT THE PLANET, THE FORUM...

BDSM right or wrong and what is cruelty?
Gorean style is special
Do Goreans deserve a higher level of respect?
What is a Gorean vs BDSM


Your point?

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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/17/2008 4:25:44 PM   
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Believe it or not, Dickens has his moments. It takes, however, a die-hard fan to spot them. 

I've always liked Passion Play as well, but of course Kosinski was a consciously erotic writer and pretty kinky, personally.

I second the Vance nomination, but sometimes he really irks me, as in that short tale about the young woman who'd never seen a single one of her own kind before (she lived with giant beetles on a beach). Driven by curiousity when some spacers land she finally overcomes her fear and shows herself, only to be brutally raped.

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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/17/2008 5:08:19 PM   
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To base a lifestyle choice on.



Scientology presents a great choice. It doesn't deal with solely power based relationships and politics, but all the answers to the questions of life!


South Park:  Out Of The Closet.

Nuff said.

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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/17/2008 5:11:19 PM   
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On a realistic note, I spent a great deal of my childhood involved in various Renaissance Faires and dabbled in the Society For Creative Anachronism.

Wander around all day, yelling Huzzah to Queen Elizabeth, chaining my girlfriend to the kissing bridge, spanking her silly, and the all-night sex fests with buxom wenches.

Who has time to read books?

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On a related note, I thought the Gor books were marginally interesting when I was 10. 


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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/18/2008 6:05:57 AM   
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First there's all the Vampire roleplaying groups, usually Lestat types. Based on lots of books, not just Anne Rice's. Not just online communities, but RPGs, LARPs, and more. The goth teens seem to think it's quite kinky.



Depending on the storyteller it can be quite kinky.

I always has players playing ghouls and ghouls as NPCs -- I'm doing an entire Ghoul: Fatal Addiction game at Millennicon here in a few weeks.

Being a vampire's ghoul in WoD games is very much being a slave only unlike in BDSM it may not be consensual or borderline consensual given the mystical power of vitae and the original series that ability to ghoul someone against their will.

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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/18/2008 7:03:48 AM   
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Whether it has or hasn't, would any of you be interested in taking most of your personal kinky cues from a favorite literary source?






no however if it did, it would probably be taken from the pages of any Jane Austen novel.


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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/18/2008 7:33:09 AM   
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Maybe its a generational thing and people aren't as familiar with the book and film but I always thought that the movie containing this dialog would make an interesting 'lifestyle' model. Surprised no one has mentioned one of the easiest movie plots to base a lifestyle; at least from the male Dom perspective.
 
Dialog like this:
There was me, that is Alex, and my three droogs, that is Pete, Georgie, and Dim, and we sat in the Korova Milkbar trying to make up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening. The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
 
We were all feeling a bit shagged and fagged and fashed, it being a night of no small expenditure.
 
Well, well, well! Well if it isn't fat stinking billy goat Billy Boy in poison! How art thou, thou globby bottle of cheap stinking chip oil? Come and get one in the yarbles, if ya have any yarble, ya eunuch jelly thou!
And the first thing that flashed into my gulliver was that I'd like to have her right down there on the floor with the old in-out, real savage.
 
Yes - it's spoken by Malcolm McDowel's, 'Alex' character in the Kubrick's treatment of the Anthony Burgess novel a 'Clockwork Orange'. The book is an excellent source of lifestyle material from language to preferred drink. Very similar to Gor, but without as many chapters. Perhaps if Burgess wrote in a time of sequels instead of 1971 there would be more Bible verses. Burgess was a fan of Orwell and wrote a detailed documentary of the book 1984 which obviously influenced his anti-establishment, anti-government social manipulation plot line in Clockwork Orange. His other screenplay's 'Jesus of Nazareth' and 'Moses the Lawgiver' indicate that he has a predilection for creating 'lifestyle' rules.
 
On a related note, I wonder if the process of condemnation and/or mocking another's choice or preface says more about the mocker or the mockers subject? Why would someone dedicate effort on someone or something they find silly, and meaningless? Is seeing another's relationship, real or on-line, a source of jealousy?
 
What's the difference between people who live under a the rules of 'Gor' and those living under the rules of older fairy tale which begins with a children's story about the entire universe being created in 6 days? Or the story about god's law written on gold plates stored in a church basement. Or the story about Xenu, dictator of the Galactic Confederacy bringing and storing original human essence around earth volcanoes. Hey people achieve some sense of belonging and contentment as members of these lifestyles. Great art has been created, a fantastic choir, and a blockbuster movie 'Battlefield Earth'. Okay - I guess they really don't do so good with movies.
 
Really - does it matter that one is more silly than the other? Whose reality isn't 'silly' in some form especially when that one form or aspect is taken and analyzed out of the context of the whole? Is a symptom of this need to mock and belief in a personal one true way, manifested by the lack of mirrors in the person's residence?

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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/18/2008 7:36:31 AM   
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How about "The story of ewww?"

A narcissist seeks enablement of his self congratulatory fetish.

He comes across a mentally challenged woman who buys into the act-and all sorts of strang things happen.........

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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/18/2008 8:55:22 AM   
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Believe it or not, Dickens has his moments. It takes, however, a die-hard fan to spot them. 

I've always liked Passion Play as well, but of course Kosinski was a consciously erotic writer and pretty kinky, personally.

I second the Vance nomination, but sometimes he really irks me, as in that short tale about the young woman who'd never seen a single one of her own kind before (she lived with giant beetles on a beach). Driven by curiousity when some spacers land she finally overcomes her fear and shows herself, only to be brutally raped.


More please?

Oliver

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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/18/2008 10:26:40 AM   
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and a blockbuster movie 'Battlefield Earth'.


lol  ...and they have their battlefield on earth right now...beeing attacked by Anonym

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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/18/2008 11:43:53 AM   
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And what about that Marquis deSade guy? I heard he really started something way back when.


He treats females as bad as they are treated in the Gor books. Though de Sade is seen as an icon..and the Gorean people are treated as outcast or cycos...
haha funny..makes me always wonder if people read the books...or just the reviews

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Could that be because DeSade came at it from a belief that he had a right to do this even while he knew that what he was doing was most likely to result in his imprisonment or death and that his thought process that he could be imprisoned for his actions came not from a belief that he was right because this was the way it was done in some other society but from the notion that HIS ideas were totally in dissonance with the society within which he lived?  Could it be that it is because his thoughts came from within himself or others whose thought processes were similar and not because his thoughts and the structure of his thoughts were based on...as you noted...poorly written science fiction?

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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/18/2008 12:09:38 PM   
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I'm not particularly inspired by anything I read, not these days.  Did most of my classical reading decades ago.  That's probably part of what fuels my own writing, which vanilla folk have told me has a distinctly kink feel to it. 

Even then, I'm not that narcissistic.  I'll settle for whatever creeps out of the fog in my mind...



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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/18/2008 1:14:04 PM   
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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/18/2008 1:40:15 PM   
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And what about that Marquis deSade guy? I heard he really started something way back when.


He treats females as bad as they are treated in the Gor books. Though de Sade is seen as an icon..and the Gorean people are treated as outcast or cycos...
haha funny..makes me always wonder if people read the books...or just the reviews

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Could that be because DeSade came at it from a belief that he had a right to do this even while he knew that what he was doing was most likely to result in his imprisonment or death and that his thought process that he could be imprisoned for his actions came not from a belief that he was right because this was the way it was done in some other society but from the notion that HIS ideas were totally in dissonance with the society within which he lived?  Could it be that it is because his thoughts came from within himself or others whose thought processes were similar and not because his thoughts and the structure of his thoughts were based on...as you noted...poorly written science fiction?


it could be all.... but sicko's shouldn't be worshipped and romantized.
some of his books were made to movies...all so romantic....soem others when made to movies..will lead to horror movies.
Peopel know only his "romantic"part...


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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/18/2008 4:15:10 PM   
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RE: The Un-Gor - 2/18/2008 4:16:25 PM   
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Bravo!!

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