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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 3:43:22 PM   
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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 3:44:39 PM   
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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 3:48:37 PM   
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Yay! I'm not alone!

I did notice the questions seemed very oriented toward social skills and such related things.
(Which I have a lack of anyway x_x)

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 3:49:52 PM   
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Well, Aswad, I scored a 19, so I guess you are more empathetic than I. 

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 5:01:43 PM   
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I dunno.

Regardless, that score isn't a grounds for comparison.
The fact that I try to be bluntly honest, by itself, is enough to pull that score far down.
Add in rejecting the culture I was raised in as being an affront to humanity, and we've got a recipe for social friction.

That test does not deal with actual empathy.

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 5:06:09 PM   
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Sorry Aswad, I should have added some sort of emoticon.  I would not take that or any other internet quiz all that seriously.  It was just for fun, and so I commented to you in fun as well. 

If I was truely concerned about my empathy, I would seek therepy.  Not an online quiz or an online forum board for validation or assistance. 

Take care and be well.

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 5:29:59 PM   
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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 5:44:28 PM   
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I scored a 65. Probably would have been higher if I considered myself a better listener.

Those who scored a 20 or below, do you feel you have Aspergers syndrome or high functioning autism? the test said those with 20 or lower may have these challenges. I ask because my UM has Aspergers Syndrome so I am always interested in adults who have it or think they do.

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 5:55:31 PM   
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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 6:14:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

I scored a 65. Probably would have been higher if I considered myself a better listener.

Those who scored a 20 or below, do you feel you have Aspergers syndrome or high functioning autism? the test said those with 20 or lower may have these challenges. I ask because my UM has Aspergers Syndrome so I am always interested in adults who have it or think they do.


No, I do not think that I have Aspergers.  Although I was VERY clumsy as a child.  I think that it is just a fun quiz to pass the time. 

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 6:15:13 PM   
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Just explain the intricacies of customs, body language and social expectations to the kid, down to the tiniest details. 

No, seriously, what I would suggest is to locate an adult aspie who is socially and occupationally functional, in the sense of being happy with it themselves, and who has the patience to both answer questions for you and act as a role model for the kid. Pay this person for their time, if necessary. If you don't have it, there's a lot of stuff you can't really teach, because you don't know it. Stuff like coping skills. Or how human body language and culture works in social interactions, and why one has to put up with it, even if it's stupid and offensive. Things like that.

There was a thread a while back that dealt extensively with some of the topics, as someone had an aspie sub.

I often get asked for tips about this, since a lot of parents realize that the bulk of the advice they get from official sources deals with treating the condition of being a parent to an aspie, rather than dealing with the subject of aspies and how to be a good parent to one. But while I can occasionally give some advice, and tend to connnect well with the kids themselves, there really isn't any substitute for exposure. Kind of like how a dog can raise a kitten, but it'll end up wagging its tail at the wrong times, and the other cats won't get it, plus there's stuff the dog can't pass on, because it's a dog and not a cat. Understanding how to fit in among neurotypicals isn't intuitive or easy.

For an analogy, please try to explain to me how to breathe in.

I've never met anyone who can explain that. And a lot of the stuff that the kid needs to learn will be just as second-nature to you as breathing. It wouldn't occur to you that it needs explaining. And a regular kid doesn't need to have it explained, since they pick it up automatically. But an aspie will usually need to have such things explained, or they end up having to figure it out for themselves, which is roughly comparable to how it would be for an American adult to find themselves stranded in Asia without knowing the language, culture or body language. It works, and it will eventually happen to some extent by sheer necessity, but it can be frustrating, and it need not be.

Also, if the kid has trouble reading emotions, save up for classes with Paul Ekman, or get his courseware, or both.

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 7:21:11 PM   
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Well, Aswad, I scored a 19, so I guess you are more empathetic than I. 


Oh, good... i also got a 19, and i was starting to worry that i was way off the bottom of the scale here...

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 7:36:34 PM   
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Tests like this don't test for the trait...they test your opinion if you have the trait...and they're only as accurate as you are honest.

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/10/2008 9:16:57 PM   
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31.  pffft! 

You're all figments of my imagination anyways. 

I seemed to score high on the perception stuff, and low on the giving-a-shit. 

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/11/2008 3:17:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetwenchie

i do not think my score had to do with my kink as much as it did my intrinsic nature. :)

my score was 67 - very high


I didnt know it measured how much you want to "feel" everything!

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/11/2008 3:36:09 AM   
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Your score: 74
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/11/2008 2:35:03 PM   
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My score was a 32.

does it matter if you are dominant or submissive?  I got bored.

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/11/2008 5:17:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

Just explain the intricacies of customs, body language and social expectations to the kid, down to the tiniest details. 

No, seriously, what I would suggest is to locate an adult aspie who is socially and occupationally functional, in the sense of being happy with it themselves, and who has the patience to both answer questions for you and act as a role model for the kid. Pay this person for their time, if necessary. If you don't have it, there's a lot of stuff you can't really teach, because you don't know it. Stuff like coping skills. Or how human body language and culture works in social interactions, and why one has to put up with it, even if it's stupid and offensive. Things like that.

There was a thread a while back that dealt extensively with some of the topics, as someone had an aspie sub.

I often get asked for tips about this, since a lot of parents realize that the bulk of the advice they get from official sources deals with treating the condition of being a parent to an aspie, rather than dealing with the subject of aspies and how to be a good parent to one. But while I can occasionally give some advice, and tend to connnect well with the kids themselves, there really isn't any substitute for exposure. Kind of like how a dog can raise a kitten, but it'll end up wagging its tail at the wrong times, and the other cats won't get it, plus there's stuff the dog can't pass on, because it's a dog and not a cat. Understanding how to fit in among neurotypicals isn't intuitive or easy.

For an analogy, please try to explain to me how to breathe in.

I've never met anyone who can explain that. And a lot of the stuff that the kid needs to learn will be just as second-nature to you as breathing. It wouldn't occur to you that it needs explaining. And a regular kid doesn't need to have it explained, since they pick it up automatically. But an aspie will usually need to have such things explained, or they end up having to figure it out for themselves, which is roughly comparable to how it would be for an American adult to find themselves stranded in Asia without knowing the language, culture or body language. It works, and it will eventually happen to some extent by sheer necessity, but it can be frustrating, and it need not be.

Also, if the kid has trouble reading emotions, save up for classes with Paul Ekman, or get his courseware, or both.

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My son has support through school and me. He gets assistance through the social worker at school, a social interraction group he goes to, speech therapy and a resource teacher that helps him with organizational skills and aid from his teacher. Its not always easy for him. he's smart but easily frustated with is deficets. I see him depressed because of lack of identifying with other kids. He takes great pride in his intelligence.

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/11/2008 6:17:35 PM   
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I would strongly suggest having a look at Paul Ekman's work. You can find his website, which offers course materials. That will allow your son to learn how to identify emotions in the people around him, including hidden emotions. That will allow him to learn more about how to master social interactions than he can learn from the groups he is attending.

Further, I would strongly suggest trying to get contact with other aspies (as they often call themselves) in the area, so that he can have some opportunity to find peers. When he is of an age where he can use the Internet, there are also many online forums, mailing lists, support groups and resources for aspies to be found. That might help to alleviate his depression. Please attempt to avoid medical intervention, except under the direction of a highly qualified specialist. Most drugs commonly used on children will have a different effect on aspies than on regular kids.

I would suggest pitching to him that it's not him that has a deficit. The social mores and customs of regular people are confusing, contradictory and deceitful. His mind is more structured and does not deal well with contradictions and deceit. If you're not worried about him becoming a bit of a special person growing up, you might want to introduce him to the writings of Nietzsche and Wittgenstein. Also, introducing him to subjects that have structure to them may help him find something interesting and potentially useful; good examples include computer programming, engineering, language, mathematics, physics and so forth.

As for organizational skills, there is a book called "Getting Things Done" that you may want to read.

I would also recommend reading A. Lazarus' book "Behavior Therapy and Beyond", along with S. Pinker's book "How the Mind Works".

Again, getting him in touch with other aspies and exposing him to Paul Ekman's work and the notion that social interactions are a game he can play to obtain social advantages and benefits, those are the best pieces of advice I can give. Accept your kid for who he is, and encourage his development. Take back control from the therapists and schools who focus more on fitting in, conforming and placating parents, and instead make an effort to get to know the adult aspie community yourself and to provide him with the resources he needs to be a functioning aspie, rather than those he needs to be a poorly functioning (at best) or broken (at worst) regular person.

Feel free to CMail me about it, as I may not be following this thread indefinitely.

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RE: Do kinky people have more empathy? - 2/12/2008 1:45:08 PM   
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It's official: I'm retarded.

Your score: 14
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum

Thankfully, I can take comfort in having a very, very high IQ.

Insofar as Aspergers goes, I've been aware that I have many aspies traits for quite a few years now. I don't find life all that difficult anymore because I only engage with it on my own terms and have the refuge of an active imagination to retreat into when things get difficult. I'm also of the opinion that aspies are evidence of humans evolving to higher states of consciousness, just as humans continue to evolve physically (taller, etc.) Of course, non-aspies won't necessarily understand what this means but there you have it.

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