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NYBorn -> What is training? (9/11/2005 12:18:58 PM)

could someone expand on what takes place when training a sub or how they've trained their sub/slave, training for "what/services/talents?", how it is/was done, for how long, how often, how did you begin, was this discussed with your sub/slave, etc.

thanks for your help and advice.



EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: What is training? (9/11/2005 12:34:03 PM)

Training simply means modifying behavior to respond a specific way over a long term period.

This can mean training their speech, or training their walk, or training their thought processes.

To ask how depends on what you want to train and the personality of who you are working with.



JohnWarren -> RE: What is training? (9/11/2005 12:47:05 PM)

Training is pretty much what you make it. Actually, I think doms need training more than submissives since their "knowledge base" is more generalizable. For the submissive, the goal should be to please the submissive and how that is done varies from dominant to dominant.

For example, the most maddening relationship I've had was with a "trained slave." Almost everything she had been trained to do was in direct conflict with how I wanted her to behave. I like to look into the eyes of my partner; she was trained never to look into a dominant's eyes. I like to talk with people I'm walking with; Imagine how hard it is to do that when the person you are trying to talk with insists on walking three paces behind. I won't bore you with the 18 Positions of Submission that she had learned and into which she dropped at any given moment. You get the idea.

Some examples of training that worked. Libby loves foot play. On her own iniative Rio took a pedicure course to better please her. Smiler practiced with a silicone dildo until she could comfortably deep throat me.

These were successful because they were aimed at the needs of specific dominants with which the submissives had relationships



WickedKev -> RE: What is training? (9/11/2005 4:34:16 PM)

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could someone expand on what takes place when training a sub or how they've trained their sub/slave, training for "what/services/talents?", how it is/was done, for how long, how often, how did you begin, was this discussed with your sub/slave, etc.

thanks for your help and advice.



Chapter One..... No seriously I have found no 2 sub/slaves the same so this would be a very hard subject to go over in a forum it would take just way to long. There are books that will at least help you on your way, and if you are active in any groups in your area I am sure there would be people willing to help. Years ago I went to New York for the PESNY (Power Exchange Society New York) valentine function. Had a great weekend learned lots and was very impressed with the people involved. Don't know if they are still going but well worth looking up if they are.



OscarHargraves -> RE: What is training? (9/11/2005 5:29:12 PM)

There are two (or maybe more) ways of modifying behavior or 'training' someone.

The first one is 'Reward Training'. When the Sub does something that is correct or pleases the Dom she gets a reward. This can be anything from a kind word to sexual satisfaction. I have found that this system is the one that works the best.

The second one is 'Punishment Training'. When the Sub does something that displeases the Dom she is punished. This is a useful tool but I feel it should be used very sparingly. It's that old rule about catching more bees with honey .......... anyway; I like the rewards system better and I've had better results when I concentrate on using that one. Please remember that a good spanking or some light(?) whipping can be a reward to the right Sub. I want her to love me not fear me.

The two most important things to me are:
1.) The Dom must have a clear and consistant idea of what is good and what is bad behavior. Clear so that he knows what it is that he wants (and can communicate that to her). And constant so that he is fair and doesn't change his mind and confuse the Sub.
2.) The Sub needs three things to become a good Sub. These are: attitude, Attitude and ATTITUDE!

And with that said I'll slide down off of my soapbox and let the next person up.



EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: What is training? (9/11/2005 6:18:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OscarHargraves
There are two (or maybe more) ways of modifying behavior or 'training' someone.

There are at least 20 classic methods of training behavior, most humans are very familiar with them by the time they are 10.



DominantMan716 -> RE: What is training? (9/11/2005 7:07:08 PM)


could someone expand on what takes place when training a sub or how they've trained their sub/slave, training for "what/services/talents?", how it is/was done, for how long, how often, how did you begin, was this discussed with your sub/slave, etc.


Training is the process in which a dominant teaches a submissive their own personal likes and dislikes. It can be a simple as teaching them how you like your coffee in the morng.

As to what service and or talents, to me it is those that I feel would be beneificial to our relationship. For example, I train my submissives how to set and serve a formal dinner. Why? because to me, it just makes entertaining more enjoyable. On the other I hand I would not teach my submissives the "Japanese tea service. Why? becauswe I know that is something I would never ask my sub to do, therefore it would be a complete waste of time and effort.


how long, how often? it starts as soon as we enter into a D/s relationship. Training starts almost immediately. Again it can be as simple as " I would like a glass of tea. I take 1 spoonful of sugar in it. " I at that point am teaching her my likes. how long does it last ? It never ends. As I grow, my likes and dislikes change. Therefore what I have taught her will change.

To me training is special. It creates a bond between the Dominant and submissive. It is giving her the tools that she needs to be successful in her submission to me and to make our relationship one that is more enjoyable for both of us.


Good luck in your journey.

DM



kisshou -> RE: What is training? (9/11/2005 7:14:12 PM)

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this thread was incredibly informative about training and methods



Archer -> RE: What is training? (9/11/2005 8:50:49 PM)

At the very base Training is learning that is directed by someone else towards a goal.

What takes place is you set the goals and then design the steps taken to teach them how to achieve the goals and or standards you have set.

All the other questions are matters of individual people,

How? Very much dependant on the goal and standard in question as well as a multitude of variations in the person being trained.

How long? As long as i takes to achieve the goal or standard.

How Often? As often as you can train them with productive returns, and as often as you have the time and temperment to continue.

Discussed or not? Well I've always found that adult learners function better learn faster and with more retention if you tell them what you want them to learn.

Think back to the last time someone trained you at work to perform a new job function, that should tell you an awfull lot if it wa done well or even if it was done poorly, just opposite things what to do or what not to do.

In Leather

Archer



DrkAngl -> RE: What is training? (9/12/2005 8:03:05 AM)


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this thread was incredibly informative about training and methods


I have to agree. It's been a very interesting and helpful thread. I still consider myself a novice and am always glad have hear some great thoughts on things discussed here. [:)]



CitizenCane -> RE: What is training? (9/12/2005 1:49:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NYBorn

could someone expand on what takes place when training a sub or how they've trained their sub/slave, training for "what/services/talents?", how it is/was done, for how long, how often, how did you begin, was this discussed with your sub/slave, etc.

thanks for your help and advice.


I think it's useful to distinguish between 'education', 'training', and 'conditioning'. There are certainly areas of overlap among these things, but they are not synonymous. While 'education' can encompass all three aspects, the focus generally is on providing information and developing skills through the critical/analytical functions of the mind. Training focuses on developing skills, habits, perceptions and attitudes through direct action, and conditioning is primarily about creating associations between particular stimuli- such as commands, objects, persons- and responses, such as emotional reactions, patterned behavior, etc. All of these things interact and support each other in altering behaviors and perceptions.
It seems to me that emphasis in 'slave training' is developing reliable, predictable patterns of response to stimuli- such as instant obedience to commands. What Mr. Warren appears actually to be opposed to is having to do the work to train a person out of habits instilled by someone else, but since everyone, slave or not, comes into a new relationship chock full of habits they have developed under other circumstances, I feel this just comes with the territory. Assuming, of course, that as a dominant one desires to define these habits rather than just live with whatever the submissive brings with them.


Cane



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