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Owned and unmasterd or unowned and mastered by commite... - 9/11/2005 12:51:39 PM   
Phoenixandnika


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I have been thinking about something allot lately. Can a slave be owned yet unmastered? Can an unowned slave be owned by her commitments and mastered by her honor and commitment?This is not a thread where I sit in judgment of anyone this is just a slave asking what others think.

Within Normans books he had a habit of making slaves helpless, conquered, forced to their knees and taught their place, of mouthy women receiving their dew, chest thumping men jumping into the pits, raids, and many adventures. In Norman’s books everything is so simplistic, human emotions do not play a role. However, here in the real world we are faced with human emotion regardless of your roles.

The books in a way have fairy tail endings time and time again when it came to the Master / slave relationships. By this I mean in the end they wound up with their perfect match even if it was after a long period of trail and error.

In reading the series four times I failed to see what happens in-between. I failed to see this trial and error, the human emotion, the struggle between a Master and slave when they are bound by collar yet find that they are not a match. What happens when a slave finds herself collared to a Master who does not learn to Master her. What if either or both feel unfulfilled? In the books a slave would have no choose but to stay, serve begging to be sold, begging to be understood, nurished, Mastered, but what about in real life?


I have heard some say a "true gorean slave" even in real life does not have many options, she may beg to express her wants or needs as she sees them, beg to seek satisfaction from another, she might beg to be released, she might simply pack up her things and disappear into the night, she may seek fulfillment outside of her M/s relationship without his knowledge risking punishment and shame, or she may simply live unmastered and unfulfilled until things change or he simply releases her. Hoping, serving, trying to please him. However, I have always wondered can a slave truly serve with her heart if she feels unmastered or unfulfilled in her slavery?

Another twist to this scenario. What if a woman enters into a "vanilla" marriage and finds herself aching to serve, needing to be mastered? What are her true options? Would this scenario be much different from a collared slave feeling unfulfilled and unmastered?

In my opinion she two has many of the same options. Ideally we all would marry or find our "true match" the first time around. However, as human beings we often discover who we really are after we grow, age, change and by that time we find ourselves, we are stuck due to circumstance and commitements.

Should she introduce it subtly as more traditional roles of men and women, bedroom kinks, or should she seek her fulfillment secretly outside of marriage?

Another spin on this scenario, is the woman not a slave to her marital vows, to her commitment to her husband and her family?

I have come to the conclusion that life much like Norman's books is harsh and unfair. Sometimes we have no control over the hands we are dealt sometimes we simply have to play them out as gracefully as possible. Sometimes we must make hard chooses and live with the consequences. One of my favorite quotes is honor is not in our actions but in living with the consequences of our actions.


Nika{Phoenix}
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RE: Owned and unmasterd or unowned and mastered by com... - 9/12/2005 7:15:38 AM   
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Greetings,
To the question at hand..
Being Mastered SHOULD be the same as being owned. Being owned is a state of mind IN the girl who IS owned.
I have a girl, who is uncollared by me, living no where near me, but there is no doubt in her mind that I own her.

You can conversely be collared and unowned. Collared (to me) indicates a property status.. Who you belong to (in title). But being OWNED means so much more.. Being owned is not being able to take a breath without thinking of you owner. Knowing that every action you take or fail to take is a reflection of your owner.. You as an owned slave, do not exist as an individual.. you are an extension of your owner..

Make sense?

Master Michael

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RE: Owned and unmasterd or unowned and mastered by com... - 9/12/2005 1:03:43 PM   
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You both make sense & i for one appreciate you!

Thanx for the mental stimulation...




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RE: Owned and unmasterd or unowned and mastered by com... - 9/12/2005 5:02:01 PM   
Leonidas


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quote:

Can a slave be owned yet unmastered?


No. Not in a society where there is no legal ownership of slaves. Where slavery isn't a legal institution, her owner's mastery of her is the only thing that binds a slave. A slave that is not mastered is not owned in any meaningful way.

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Can an unowned slave be owned by her commitments and mastered by her honor and commitment?


No. Acting out of honor and commitment are character traits that Goreans would associate with the free, not with a slave. A slave may act out of devotion, but that devotion is the result of her master's discipline, and again, his mastery over her.

Goreans do make a distinction between the collar and the brand. The collar denoting ownership, and the brand denoting the status of a woman as a slave. In this way, a woman can be a slave, and unowned. I think that it would be difficult to impossible for a woman to be a slave as Goreans think of slaves if she had never been owned. If she had never had slavery impressed upon her by a man, thereby being "branded" as a slave, figuratively speaking.

I ask edana sometimes if she could explain what it is to be a slave to a woman who had never been. She doesn't think she could. There are a number of analogies that can be drawn, but none of them really explain it. edana has been "branded" as a slave, by having slavery impressed upon her, though I haven't gotten around to branding her physically (yet). If something were to happen to me, she would, without doubt, seek out and submit to another owner. Once branded, a slave remains a slave.

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The books in a way have fairy tail endings time and time again when it came to the Master / slave relationships. By this I mean in the end they wound up with their perfect match even if it was after a long period of trail and error.


Not all slaves had "fairytail" endings, and yes, Norman showed in his story lines and even said in one place explicitly that a girl might change hands many times before arriving in the collar of the "right" owner. My advice to new slaves, in fact, is always along those lines. Expect to change hands a few times. Expect there to be some reversals and hard-knocks along the way. Thinking that your first collar will be your last is just a recipe for ending up jaded and bitter.

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In reading the series four times I failed to see what happens in-between. I failed to see this trial and error, the human emotion, the struggle between a Master and slave when they are bound by collar yet find that they are not a match.


You must have been doing some of that speed reading. You don't remember Ute? Yes, it's true, that here where we live a girl is probably more likely to find herself in the collar of a man who cannot master her than she would be on the fictional Gor, where men were raised around female slaves.

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What if either or both feel unfulfilled? In the books a slave would have no choose but to stay, serve begging to be sold, begging to be understood, nurished, Mastered, but what about in real life?


A girl can beg to be sold, understood, nurished, and mastered. The only difference is that here, she can simply choose to run off if she is not kept in bondage.

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Another twist to this scenario. What if a woman enters into a "vanilla" marriage and finds herself aching to serve, needing to be mastered? What are her true options? Would this scenario be much different from a collared slave feeling unfulfilled and unmastered?


It happens. Often. She can stay and remain unfulfilled for the sake of commitments that she has made. She can beg her spouse to become her master (really, really really tough to do, especially if they've been married a while. Not impossible, but really hard). She can leave and seek a master. None of those choices are easy. Life is tough sometimes.

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Another spin on this scenario, is the woman not a slave to her marital vows, to her commitment to her husband and her family?


No. You can twist logic until it cries uncle if it makes you feel better, but women aren't slaves to their wedding vows any more than saying the pledge of allegence makes you a slave to the United States. Honoring a commitment is honoring a commitment. It's not slavery in any sense of the word.








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RE: Owned and unmasterd or unowned and mastered by com... - 9/12/2005 6:39:16 PM   
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This girl tends to think of Mastering as an active verb...now it does not always have to be full on active, sometimes its a passive mastering...but its still a verb. An Owner is a noun. It is one who owns.
Where is she going with this...in Our life this girl spends a great deal of time alone for Master's deployments. He remains her Owner at all times, however the Mastering of her is often left to the wind so He can soldier. More recently, the last three years He has seen that this is not good for a girl, or her mental or physical well being, so He seeks out a Master for her while He is gone to actively Master her.
Now granted, We have a bizarre life its not the average scenario...but it works for Us. And no it doesn't always mean the kinky things people will infer, more freuqently it means there is someone here...that she is accountable to and that she has interaction with as a slave so that she remains in her core, and in her place. A girl left to her own advices for months on end tends to do one of two things...1) bottom out completely becoming next to non functional, or 2) becomes a total brat and ragingly independent.

just Our mileage of the two words...Master is more of a verb. Owner is more of a noun.

sabrina King
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RE: Owned and unmasterd or unowned and mastered by com... - 9/13/2005 6:21:34 AM   
Leonidas


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He remains her Owner at all times, however the Mastering of her is often left to the wind so He can soldier. More recently, the last three years He has seen that this is not good for a girl, or her mental or physical well being, so He seeks out a Master for her while He is gone to actively Master her.


Makes perfect sense to me, and I'd do the same or similar in his situation. You're a little different than most of the girls who post here sabrina, in that you have a mature understanding of what it means to be a man's slave (as opposed to his girlfriend) and you're able to understand that your need to be kept in bondage (under the discipline and control of a man) as something distinct. Obviously, your master understands it too. Not too many do. I think you have to have lived this way for a while.

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RE: Owned and unmasterd or unowned and mastered by com... - 9/20/2005 4:59:05 PM   
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Thank You Master Leonidas,

The girl is busy preparing for Master's eminent deployment so not online much yet...soon though...so just seeing this.

This is this girl's eighth year as Gorean slave and tenth year in house. she has been privileged to be in the company of many Gorean men, at various stages of their lives...so she has a lucky perspective to say the least on what Gorean men believe is Gorean.

And yes, being the property of the House of King is entirely seperate from the fact that this girl is a slave. Much like...the House has vehicles...It owns them..but if It sold the vehicles they would remain vehicles just under different ownership.

humbly,

sabrina King

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