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streetangel -> RE: extremely reluctant "submissives" (2/12/2008 3:46:27 PM)

hello, i am a newbie to the site and the bdsm life style, and yes i wondered before joining if i just enjoyed the kinky "light" play or at time was wondering if there was actually something wrong with me because i wasn't satisfied with either sex. so before joining i did my research on not only the lifestyle but what was expected and which "label" to put on myself or willing to accept as my role...even now i answer with honesty when asked what i'd like and i answer that since this uncharted territory for me i don't know and what boundaries i do have, i feel very certain that with proper care and training before during and after that i will blossom well...as for the ones who are so defiant it makes me wonder if they secrectly desire to be dominated, broken down, humiliated, just as a test of their will or the Dominant's patience before one or the other snaps, which does noone any good and no pleasure comes of it, just hate and resentment for both.




bleusparkles -> RE: extremely reluctant "submissives" (2/12/2008 3:54:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lilabbotsfordgrl

Hi, thank you for reading. :)

I've had something on my mind for a while, and some profiles I've read recently sent me in the direction of making a thread to start a discussion on it.

Are some people who call themselves "submissives" possibly just kinky?

What I mean by that is might they simply be curious, or interested in "spicier" sexual/psychological relationships?  Are they the kind of people who don't end up following the lifestyle for life?

One example I read was something along the lines of "I've been a submissive for about a year now.  I'm very reluctant to submit to anyone because I'm very defiant.  I tend to be the aggressor in my relationships.  I'm not masochistic so don't even ask.  I'm a total bitch so if you cross me, you'll suffer.  I need someone who is VERY strong and demanding because I'll beat anyone else to a pulp.  Don't even contact me if you're older than 28, that's sick."

The girl was 21 and apparently listed as "submissive" but it got me thinking.  If you don't really like submission, if you're a bitch, if you're aggressive, and if you're more interested in your own needs than anyone else's, do you really have a submissive nature?  Maybe you're not really ready for BDSM at all, if you have to force yourself so hard into a role?

Sometimes I feel that some people are just here because it's a free "dating" site.  They're only vaguely interested in BDSM in the first place, or maybe they just like rough sex now and then.  To me, that'd explain why so many people here complain "there are far too many fakes on this site!"

Comments welcome.  I'm not trying to start an argument, just hear from people who have thoughts on the issue.  Thanks!



I didn't bother reading any other posts so if this has already been said, I'm sorry for being redundant. There's not that many options to choose from when you join the site. You can be a dominant, a submissive, a slave or a switch.




iammachine -> RE: extremely reluctant "submissives" (2/12/2008 5:31:36 PM)

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Personally I think many are reluctant to share what they are looking for but I have no reason why and I do think this hurts their chances.

The fact is if you do not know yourself and what you are truly looking for how can you expect another to discover it.


You're supposed to be psychic, didn't you know that? Duhhh!! [:D]

In all seriousness, some people aren't entirely certain what they want, especially at first. I don't exactly have a perfect template of what I do want, outside of a general idea of traits that are important to me (honesty, integrity, blah blah etc) and things that I enjoy (mmmm bondage!). Over time, however, I've learned a lot about what I do want by determining just what it is that I don't. I do list some of my kink interests in passing, however in my experience, too much detail about "sexy stuff" some how seems to be misconstrued as an invitation by your average dude, which is generally leads to wondering if they give a damn about who they're talking to, or just fulfilling on a fantasy regardless of who it's with.

As far as finding out what you're twuly looking for.... again in my personal experience, I generally didn't know what it was exactly, and wasn't looking for that matter. I just kind of know what I want when I find it. :)




Kaiynasha -> RE: extremely reluctant "submissives" (2/12/2008 6:01:52 PM)

iammachine, I tend to agree with you about learning about what you want but realizing what you don't want. When I first started in the lifestyle, I was really anxious about everything. Therefore I answered all e-mails and entertained just about any submissive or switch. Then I realize there are all kinds of people here with different needs and I wanted something for myself. Someone that would take the time to get to know me and then take it to the next level. I realize now, where I am, many are not willing to go where I am going. It always about their needs and although I listen and understand that the sub has needs too, sometimes I feel they only thing they are interested in- is themselves. So, I became hard to the core and a bit aggressive. Then I realize I was becoming something, I didn't enjoy nor did I want. So, now here I am more mature but definitely much wiser.

MK




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: extremely reluctant "submissives" (2/12/2008 6:03:30 PM)

Everyone has different needs or wants out of participating in wiitwd. I don't think being kinky is wrong or makes them fakes. It just means that have a different need than others do.

Some may not be sure of what they want and are exploring. Just because someone has a different way of doing things than I like doesn't mean they are a fake to me.




Honsoku -> RE: extremely reluctant "submissives" (2/12/2008 6:59:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: iammachine
As far as finding out what you're twuly looking for.... again in my personal experience, I generally didn't know what it was exactly, and wasn't looking for that matter. I just kind of know what I want when I find it. :)


I can relate to that. It's is difficult to figure out what you are looking for without experience. It's even harder to be right about it. This is why I described what I thought I was looking for, but said immediately afterwards, something to the effect of; "However, I am always interested in exploring other possibilities". Because I'm sure there are a vast array of other options which I have never even considered, some of which may appeal to me more than what I what I think I'm looking for.

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
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ORIGINAL: Honsoku
I fully understand not listing sexually oriented information, but to say nothing about yourself and expect to receive a personalized message? What in the nine hells are we supposed to base our conversation off of?


"Hi. I'm writing you because you have a nice smile and I love that style of hair. You don't have much written in your profile, and I wish there was more, because I'm intrigued. Think of it this way. We're at a party right now, across the room. I notice you, and try to make eye contact, but we don't know anything about each other yet. I come to this site becaue I am hoping to make friends, and develop a special connection with someone. So I care about who you are, not just how you look. Please write back, ask me any questions you want, and tell me something special about yourself."


This would seem like a form letter (though a very nice one), which doesn't meet the requirement that the message be personal. Everything except the first line could be sent to anyone with little to nothing in their profile. Hence the contradiction between information provided in the profile and desired responses. I understand that you are saying that there are ways, but my point was that content free profiles dramatically reduces the quality of response a person can return. If you want quality responses, you need to put in some effort.

To me this highlights the difference between meeting people online and in the flesh. In the flesh you can do this sort of approach because, even at a party, there are maybe 20 other people who will attempt to strike up a conversation that night (if it's a big party) and everyone will see who everyone else strikes up a conversation with. Here, there are women that get that many messages every hour and they have no idea how many other people you have sent that message to. The difference between meeting people online and meeting people in the flesh is also why I think women tend to be seriously handicapped by cultural norms when it comes to meeting people online.

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ORIGINAL: toserves
think this may also be the case about the profiles on sites like this. Some people regardless of the role or gender are too afraid of taking the time to write out a meaningful profile out of fear that if they truly put themselves out there and no one they are attracted to shows any interest. So we get negative filled this is what I do not want, endless quotes taking off the web, the what can a person get from a few words, and all other justifications why people often refuse to bare themselves on a site like this.


You nailed exactly what I meant by "shyness". Shyness generally stems from the fear of rejection.




RedMagic1 -> RE: extremely reluctant "submissives" (2/12/2008 7:14:18 PM)

This isn't a debate.  Do you want someone to talk to you even if she's shy?  If so, work with what she's given you until she's willing to open up.  Women give me their contact information a couple times a week and I'm not looking.  If you show understanding and deal, you'll get better results than if you rage against the horrors of online dating.




branbran77 -> RE: extremely reluctant "submissives" (2/14/2008 10:20:56 AM)

I'm a newbie sub....im 30 and spent most of my time being the aggressor in vanilla sex...now i want to LEARN to be a sub....im not going to kid myself into beliving that just becasue i want to be one i am one...i know i have a lot to learn and my Dom is my teacher...I'm still hostil to the outside world becasue they wont understand why i want to change...being a sub is a learning process and a lot of it im finding out is unlearing what uv been doing the past few years.




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