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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 7:58:29 AM   
Leatherist


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Status: offline 		Intelligence is fine, but I value wisdom even more highly.

One can have all the knowledge in the world, and still be ignorant in applying it.

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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 8:04:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Absolutely, totally no BS this time:

People ask again and again and again if "mentors" are a good idea for Doms.  99.9% of everything I ever learned about sex, including BDSM, has been  from intelligent women.  Almost every BDSM partner I have ever had -- and it's not as though there's a mile-long list here -- had more scening experience than I did at the time.  Even the intellectual side of things: look at Fire's posts on this message board.  Or, just a few days ago, I asked a female friend of mine to tell me the honest truth, which type of condom feels best when inside.  I had to put up with a lot of laughter, of course.

The real question to ask the OP is: Why the HELL are you asking your question?  Is someone trying to tell you that only Dominants get to have a brain?  Fuckinay.  You might as well check yourself into the battered women's shelter right now, and save the social workers the hassle.



I don't believe for one minute that only Dominants get to have a brain. But there are those around , even here on CM that think slaves should be seen and never heard or some such thing. Fine if it works for them.  Me , if a Master I was talking to thought I should never hold a intelligent thought in my head or comment about a issue I would simply say to  him.
" Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out" lol
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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 8:14:42 AM   
justdavid


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ORIGINAL: MrSpectacular

To the OP - yes.
No matter what a relationship still needs to exist within the D/S dynamic - so the more you can connect the stronger that relationship will be


I agree.

We love to focus about the kinks, obedience and the specific dynamics of power exchange relationships but they are still relationships. A huge part of relationships is the two people to enjoy each other’s company and I think for most of us intelligence is an important thing.

Of course there are different types of intelligence and different levels of effort in using our brains but that falls into compatibility. For example I could not be with an artistic genius that had no concept of logical reasoning just like they would probably run away from me.


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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 8:32:06 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		I value intelligence, and demand it, along with quick witted and insightful. I also place a very high value on a rarer commodity, which some find diametrically opposed to 'submission' - confidence.

Intelligence is required for many reasons. A major one is having the ability to intelligently make decisions based not only on words directing action, but appreciating the meaning and intent behind the words. The English language is a poor communication method. By design it causes confusion. Were it not the case each and every individual word would have one meaning. Some words have dozens of meanings, subject to interpretation and context. Adding to the confusion are colloquial and slang definitions especially in this age of internet based reality.

Value intelligence? Without it how would there be reconciliation about what constitutes a master versus dominant, a slave versus submissive, the chicken or the egg? How would a limit be 'hard', a safe-word 'safe'? Intelligence is required to know something as basic to the lifestyle as the difference between slave and submissive. But it takes confidence to not give a fuck and not take personally, if someone's else's intelligence uses a different definition or a another 'accepted' spelling of the same word. Many times the combined lack of intelligence and confidence is shown by the adamant arguing of that one word - one definition position. However, I am often amused by those taking such a position.

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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 8:35:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mystique2003
I don't believe for one minute that only Dominants get to have a brain. But there are those around , even here on CM that think slaves should be seen and never heard or some such thing. Fine if it works for them.  Me , if a Master I was talking to thought I should never hold a intelligent thought in my head or comment about a issue I would simply say to  him.
" Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out" lol
Mystique

Good.


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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 9:52:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		We both needed intelligent partners. However neither of us are interested in debate or arguing. I don't see the two as intrinsically intertwined.

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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 10:49:15 AM   
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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 11:26:42 AM   
BlackPhx


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Status: offline 		grumble grumble I am not good at writing posts in a very short manner to get my points across as my beloved poenkitten is so each of these posts takes a little time to work through for me. This one is very complex with a lot of dynamics that I could write volumes on if I let my self get carried away. So I will give a few of my reasons an intelligent woman is important to me. This is a list in no particular order.

1. Totally compliant, totally thoughtless, and totally quiet women get very boring very quickly. The thrill of dominating someone is act of breaking thier resistance and getting them to submit to your will. If they do not challenge you from time to time that thrill leaves your life and you begin to question the need for the submissive or slave or worse going after other submissives for the thrill of the hunt. 

2. Intelligent women do your taxes, find rebates for storm windows, and more or less expontially increase your awareness of finacial opportunities to make money on. Or at least mine does.

3. Intelligent women do not have to be directed every moment of every day freeing up time to post on Collar Me forums, or wood working, or insert favorite past time here.

4. Intelligent women who apply that intellignece to pleasing you can come up with some suprising ways to make you life more pleasent.

5. Intelligent women are more adaptable and adjust to change that is absolutely required to keep a relationship fresh and vital to the changing needs of us complex dominants.

6. Intelligent or at least wise women know enough to shut up when emotions get too high or too intense and will not attempt to incite you beyond your control.

7. Intelligent women can frustrate you to the point you apply stress relief to certain parts of thier anatomy. (This one is very important to us sensual sadists)

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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 11:34:37 AM   
GreedyTop


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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 11:36:19 AM   
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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 11:40:13 AM   
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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 11:48:41 AM   
subtee


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Status: offline 		Okay, um, this is like, really a important question for me? Because, like, sometimes, guys are intimidated? By my, like, smartness cause I got, like, all B's in high school? Till I hadda drop out? For like, this totally ridiculous rule about no sex with teachers...whatever.

Anyhoodle, now I'm like all about like, world events and like, hunger in asia? Because I've been trying to cut back on carbs? So I totally, like get it.




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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 11:51:43 AM   
Sundowner


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I hate those smartass bitches who keep on tryen to think.  The only good thing their glasses do is hold my cum while it drips into their hair and mouth.  Fucking brainiacs.  Always coming up with new positions in bed, new costumes to wear, how to make things last longer.  Kinkyass sluts.  Got no use for them.


Oh Red I so agree. Scum of the earth all of them.

But then there's that curious story about the second-hand brain shop. The female brains were cheaper than the male brains; sounds sensible. But when a customer enquired why there was a difference the shopkeeper explained - "The female brains have been used".


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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 12:01:50 PM   
GreedyTop


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ORIGINAL: subtee

Okay, um, this is like, really a important question for me? Because, like, sometimes, guys are intimidated? By my, like, smartness cause I got, like, all B's in high school? Till I hadda drop out? For like, this totally ridiculous rule about no sex with teachers...whatever.

Anyhoodle, now I'm like all about like, world events and like, hunger in asia? Because I've been trying to cut back on carbs? So I totally, like get it.






HAHAHAHA!! *hands subtee the beauty queen crown*

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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 12:26:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mystique2003

Do you value intelligence in those you own?  Do you like the ability to be able to debate things such as politics, or heathcare or football with your slave?   Or would you rather have them be ignorant of issues and events of the world?



Valyraen would have no use for me if he did not find me to be intelligent.

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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 1:05:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		with all these Guys valuing brains .. am going to put a link to my thesis on my profile, rather than a link to my new play pics ... thinks that will draw a bigger crowd

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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 1:21:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		i just wanted to point out that a Dominant may greatly value intelligence and world knowledge in a submissive or slave, but may still not wish to engage in debate with the submissive or slave. that would describe my Master...he would have no use for an unintelligent slave, but he also has no use for a debate or verbal sparring partner.


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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 1:43:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		For me, the beauty in submission is not that I NEED a Master/Daddy/Top/Lord to to form opinions, make decisions, force me to learn things ... it's that I would choose to include Him/Her in these vital bits of myself because I trust this person implicitly.

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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 2:39:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mystique2003

Do you value intelligence in those you own?  Do you like the ability to be able to debate things such as politics, or heathcare or football with your slave?   Or would you rather have them be ignorant of issues and events of the world?


Wonderful topic, mystique!
"Real" intelligence is a turn-on for me.
It is like an aphrodisiac.....sigh.
Impress me with your thoughts, your views, your skills, and your mind.
...........deep sighing.........................
THAT is when you start to really turn me on.
I want to crave your mind, like a drug addict.

I need you to be one of THE most interesting and mentally stimulating people I know.

Blow me the fuck away, with your thoughts.
Mystify me, blow my damn mind with your intelligence!
Damn it, it is very hot in here. 
I feel a little dirty, now.
Time for a shower.


< Message edited by MzMia -- 2/16/2008 2:46:11 PM >

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RE: Do you value intelligence? - 2/16/2008 2:46:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: softness

with all these Guys valuing brains .. am going to put a link to my thesis on my profile, rather than a link to my new play pics ... thinks that will draw a bigger crowd


heh wishful thinking softness...that would imply they actually use THAT brain first....which many do not....and I'm actually not complaining about that.

The very first thing another person must do to interest me is stimulate my mind.  Even sex is quite boring when the newness wears off if someone doesn't have the ability to continue to stimulate my mind and hell, we're not getting any younger, at some point the sex is limited in duration and you have to actually be able to converse with the person you are with.  The most attractive men I've dated have unfortunately been the most boring because of their limited grey matter. I don't howver have any interest in debating politics with someone I am dating and find it to be a really really bad idea for me.


< Message edited by laurell3 -- 2/16/2008 2:48:45 PM >

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