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Justme696 -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/17/2008 1:49:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: amayos


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ORIGINAL: mystique2003

Do you value intelligence in those you own? Do you like the ability to be able to debate things such as politics, or heathcare or football with your slave? Or would you rather have them be ignorant of issues and events of the world?



Intelligence is always a virtue. However, knowledge of "current issues and world events" isn't necessarily a good measure of intelligence in general, or the type of intelligence that is sought. I imagine some Keepers may desire distance from these things in their servants for any number of understandable reasons, such as disassociation from outside influence.

We typically like to model intelligence in the form of ability to debate, but I find one's aptness to sit at the feet of another, look up, listen and zealously absorb equally as valid.


good point..intelligence...can be different to different people...



littlesui -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/17/2008 4:04:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: amayos


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ORIGINAL: mystique2003

Do you value intelligence in those you own? Do you like the ability to be able to debate things such as politics, or heathcare or football with your slave? Or would you rather have them be ignorant of issues and events of the world?



I imagine some Keepers may desire distance from these things in their servants for any number of understandable reasons, such as disassociation from outside influence.

We typically like to model intelligence in the form of ability to debate, but I find one's aptness to sit at the feet of another, look up, listen and zealously absorb equally as valid.


The mushroom phenomena - keep them in the dark and feed them on sh1t?  Anyone who meets that criteria would seem to be far removed from most people's definition of intelligent - a brainless bimbo who hasn't the capacity to think or challenge and has no point of view. If that's what you want you may as well go and buy a blow up doll.



amadeus77 -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/17/2008 4:09:39 PM)

I enjoy a woman who is able to reason, not necessarily someone who has a vast command of facts. (The two aren't mutually exclusive, of course.) I wonder if those who are intellectual (valuing the life of the mind, as opposed to "being smart") find intelligence a major turn-on. I certainly do. Mastering a person who can't think clearly, well...isn't it a bit like shooting fish in a barrel?



RedMagic1 -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/17/2008 4:10:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlesui
Anyone who meets that criteria would seem to be far removed from most people's definition of intelligent - a brainless bimbo who hasn't the capacity to think or challenge and has no point of view. If that's what you want you may as well go and buy a blow up doll.

I didn't hear him talking about women.  Do you think it only takes the mind of a blowup doll to write the post you had such a reaction to?  The one who needs to use their intelligence here is you, sui.



littlesui -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/17/2008 4:16:33 PM)

We will beg to have differing opinions eh ;o) ...I retain my right to that :o)



RedMagic1 -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/17/2008 4:25:38 PM)

Everyone has a right to an opinion.  For example, I have a right to be attracted to people who use their minds, and to find people unattractive when they speak with their prejudice against male submissives, instead of speaking with their brain.



SteelofUtah -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/17/2008 4:29:01 PM)

*FastReply*

Intelegence is a WONDERFUL thing and one I respect very very much!

However, when this question is usually asked they aren't asking if I value thier intelegence, they are asking if I am going to tolerate thier snobishness toward other people.

I don't care for negative people, I don't care for negative attitudes and as a general rule try to keep free of thier influence however from time to time I run into a girl who is pretty and worldly and smart and *Gasp**E-Gad* A Bitch too! After a few conversations where all I hear is them putting people down for the immproper use of the word "Diligent" I usually inform them that I must not be the class of person they wish to be conversing with and excuse myself and kill all contact.

I have been accused of not being able to handle an Intelegent Woman when in reality I just don't have the patience or the time to deal with a bitch.

My wife/slave is smart, perhaps not college graduate smart but then again neither am I, I like the english language but don't always use it with an english majors zeal and for this I also fail to use Grammar correctly or Puncuation for that matter. Do I want to be corrected? No not usually, but if I ask to have my girl proof read something then I want her too, however if I didn't ask for it I don't want it.

Does this mean I don't value Intelegence? I don't think so I think I don't care for intelectual superiority and the ego that comes from it, but dealing with people smarter than me is usually fun I learn all sorts of things from them, it's when thier ego springs us and I get the feeling they they think they are better than me because they are smarter than me this is where I have a problem.

As Always

Steel



Leatherist -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/17/2008 10:17:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: amayos



Intelligence is always a virtue. However, knowledge of "current issues and world events" isn't necessarily a good measure of intelligence in general, or the type of intelligence that is sought. I imagine some Keepers may desire distance from these things in their servants for any number of understandable reasons, such as disassociation from outside influence.

We typically like to model intelligence in the form of ability to debate, but I find one's aptness to sit at the feet of another, look up, listen and zealously absorb equally as valid.


When one is trying to form a working team- with one as the servant........then the ability of the servant to fully comprehend the game plan and execute it is a sign of very high intelligence. The ability to be in compliance, in a thoughtful and useful manner is valuable in such a situation.

Indeed, one does not delegate important responsibilities to a "blow up doll".

Any more than one would delegate them to a fractious "debator" who was so busy arguing and being afflicted with tunnel vision.....that thier much vaunted "intelligence" became a disability to thier performance.

In short, such individuals are so busy proving thier "strength", that they become incompetent to in any way equate to the word.

Serving with dilligence and astounding ability does not equate to being a "doormat" in my eyes. It points to worthiness. I'd take the doormat over the asshat any day.



MasterBlueTiger -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/17/2008 10:30:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

*FastReply*

Intelegence is a WONDERFUL thing and one I respect very very much!

However, when this question is usually asked they aren't asking if I value thier intelegence, they are asking if I am going to tolerate thier snobishness toward other people.

I don't care for negative people, I don't care for negative attitudes and as a general rule try to keep free of thier influence however from time to time I run into a girl who is pretty and worldly and smart and *Gasp**E-Gad* A Bitch too! After a few conversations where all I hear is them putting people down for the immproper use of the word "Diligent" I usually inform them that I must not be the class of person they wish to be conversing with and excuse myself and kill all contact.

I have been accused of not being able to handle an Intelegent Woman when in reality I just don't have the patience or the time to deal with a bitch.

My wife/slave is smart, perhaps not college graduate smart but then again neither am I, I like the english language but don't always use it with an english majors zeal and for this I also fail to use Grammar correctly or Puncuation for that matter. Do I want to be corrected? No not usually, but if I ask to have my girl proof read something then I want her too, however if I didn't ask for it I don't want it.

Does this mean I don't value Intelegence? I don't think so I think I don't care for intelectual superiority and the ego that comes from it, but dealing with people smarter than me is usually fun I learn all sorts of things from them, it's when thier ego springs us and I get the feeling they they think they are better than me because they are smarter than me this is where I have a problem.

As Always

Steel

Well said Steel. I had to grow up with that kind of put down superiority crap. We are all human and deserve to be respected equally. We are all pieces of a bigger puzzle. Sometimes one piece is bigger than another, but that doesn't make it any better than another piece as the puzzle needs all to be complete.
This thread had got me thinking(it happens I can not help it). Intelligence may be a nice quality to have but it is only one quality. I wouldn't want to be in the situation described above, stuck with somone who is genius at being a jerk. What about compassion, loyalty, trust, love, respect, etc. And in the end, does it really matter how smart somone is fi they are puttin gin their best effort. Life isn't easy, but that doesn't make it right to make it worse by looking down on others.
Just my 2 cents[;)] I'll let somone else go now.



Duskwolf -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/18/2008 1:26:23 AM)

I'd have to agree. Intellect is a important thing to have, though the source of the intelligence is another matter.
In My eyes there are two types, book learnt intelligence, and experience learned intelligence... While there can be one or the other, there are those who live inbetween.
Just because you have uni degrees doesn't mean you're intelligent when it comes to manual labour, or the ability to initiate and hold a conversation with a stranger, and just because you only have experience based intelligence, doesn't mean you aren't capable of learning how to do anything technical... It's just a different way of learning in the end.
It seems the safest way to define it from My point of view.

Either way, an important thing to have in one degree or another.
Can't really go past Intelligence... Very attractive feature.

Dusk.




amadeus77 -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/18/2008 4:45:28 AM)

I agree with you, Steel. Perhaps some submissives find arrogance desirable. I don't. Calm assurance? Yes. I've had many intellectual friends and, you know, the really arrogant ones who went out of their way to use four-syllable words when a one syllable word would have worked better, those were the most insecure.
 
Many of my brainy friends had the kind of self-confidence that appreciates others for who they are, on their own terms. They understood there are many kinds of intelligence. I remember one friend, a Mensa member, who told me "I try never to confuse verbal glibness with mental acuity. And I try never to confuse mental acuity with human worth." That stuck with me as a good point to remember.



Chloelicious -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/18/2008 4:55:19 AM)

What do you consider as being arrogant?

If she knows things that you don t know would she hide it to not hurt your feelings?

Would she pretend to be stupid just to make you feel better abotu yourself?



mystique2003 -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/18/2008 6:59:27 AM)

Thank you everyone for your opinions and humor too.:)
The kind of intelligence I meant here was being able to talk about things that matter to Master and to me. If we see something in the night news , that we can both talk about it , debate it ( not argue).  Not limiting ourselves to just things we know , learning from one another.
I am not crazy about talking to someone who arrogantly thinks they know it all or their way is the only way either. If I can learn something from what they have to share great. If they talk down at me like I have no mind that is another matter entirely.
To me, imo,  it makes for a better relationship to be able to share , debate, talk about more than just what to serve for supper or how to please your Master.
Mystique





lusciouslips19 -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/18/2008 7:01:30 AM)

Doesnt it depend on the Dominant? My sir appreciates my intelligence,sense of humor and sarcasm. He has said before,"you're lucky I appreciate sarcasm". Many would find me insolent.  am able to be mysellf  and I know he will appreciate my comments or use it later to punish me in the ways I love. So if he is also one who is intelligent, funny and sarcastic. Doesnt the Dominant want someone around who gets their jokes, understands the value of sarcasm and can carry on a conversation? Do birds of a feather flock together?

We were walking down the street after having breakfast at a very funky and eclectic resaurant. The restaurant has sculptures and mobiles of animals made of kitchen items rats, owls,fish from old cans, percolators, utensils. So we were walking and he sees a fork lieing on the sidewalk and he said"look, a fish lost a leg". I laughed. I think hes very clever. He commented that I get him. Likely those who hadnt been in the restaurant wouldnt understand the joke.

So whats better for a Masters ego? Someone he can comunicate with about all topics or someone who doesnt understand what he is saying? I would think most would value intelligence, but I also think it probably depends on the intellectual and emotional requirements of the individual Master. That is something that that varies greatly.



Aynne -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/18/2008 7:20:07 AM)

Forgive me for pointing this out, but it is prefer, nor perfer, as well as obedient, not obidient. 
Perhaps pet is the right thing for you, my labrador retriever is not the best speller.  As a submissive with an IQ in the higher range, careful before you speak on matters of intellect with misspellings. 



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IGINAL: CuriousLord

While I value intelligence, my standards are so unusually high that I typically forego concern.

If I were vanilla, I'd want a partner who was as bright as me, or it'd drive me nuts.  M/s, though?  My pet doesn't need to be on par with me.  She's a pet, afterall; loyal, loving, and obidient are plenty.

I do perfer pets who are at least gifted, though.



SteelofUtah -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/18/2008 10:05:05 AM)

Does Intelect have anything to do with the ability to do remedial things like spell?

Einstien Father of the Theroy of Relativity could NOT do BASIC math he struggled with Subtraction and Division.

Most Authors cannot spell, this is what Editors are paid for.

I can't Spell, I am a Typo King, and offten times they aren't Typos they are how I think the word is honestly spelled, This does not change my Intelect this simply says I don't spell well.

See this is exactly what I was talking about in the first place.

As Always

Steel



MasterBlueTiger -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/18/2008 10:25:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Forgive me for pointing this out, but it is prefer, nor perfer, as well as obedient, not obidient. 
Perhaps pet is the right thing for you, my labrador retriever is not the best speller.  As a submissive with an IQ in the higher range, careful before you speak on matters of intellect with misspellings. 



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IGINAL: CuriousLord

While I value intelligence, my standards are so unusually high that I typically forego concern.

If I were vanilla, I'd want a partner who was as bright as me, or it'd drive me nuts.  M/s, though?  My pet doesn't need to be on par with me.  She's a pet, afterall; loyal, loving, and obidient are plenty.

I do perfer pets who are at least gifted, though.


So you "NEVER" make typos. This a message board,  not a spelling class. Everyone makes mistakes, and no one is perfect. Lets try to play nice. o.k.



DiurnalVampire -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/18/2008 10:31:40 AM)

I have to agree with Aynne's point, if not necessarily the delivery.
If you are going to make points about how intelligent your pets have to be, you should demonstrate the same intelligence.
I am a poor speller, as are both my boys. I dont hold it against them. Conversation does not require spelling.
HOWEVER When I am trying to make a point about how important inteligence is, I do make sure to spelcheck my posts. If you have poor spelling, you do not look good if you are commenting on how someone else has to be at least as intelligent as you are.

I hold intelligence in extremely high regard.  I cannot associate with someone who is far below me intelligence-wise for long. I hate having to dumb down my conversations and explain everything I say. I am not a genius and I dont have an ego about being well read and such. I do, however, have a very good vocabulary and dont want to surround myself with people who cant understand when I speak. Fox knows most of what I talk about, and he learns thw words he doesnt understand. Angel keeps up with me. Even in vanilla friends, I gravitate towards the higher intelligence ranges.

DV




lovingpet -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/18/2008 10:46:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: littlesui

The problem with being an intelligent sub is that it makes it all the harder to find a Dom who is smarter :o)


Amen!!! 



SailingBum -> RE: Do you value intelligence? (2/18/2008 10:50:03 AM)

lol this has turned into i'm smarter than you cuz i use spell check thread.  Or I watch the new so i must be smart or I smarter cuz well you get the idea.  This thread has more humor than .. my dicks/tits bigger than yours thread.

BadOne



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