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Focus50 -> RE: Question please? (2/17/2008 1:50:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we are in the presence of 'Twueness' (tm)...[:D] Not to mention a whole bunch of vacuous "barracking from the bleachers"...! Focus.

MadRabbit -> RE: Question please? (2/17/2008 2:29:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we are in the presence of 'Twueness' (tm)...[:D] The one thing I notice about Twueness on the boards is it often always starts up with some disclaimer about how everyone is going to flame them for admitting the "Truth" or how everyone really does it, but isn't aware of it or won't admit it. It's really quite beautiful. Before even words can be exchanged, they set themselves us as the unarguable One True Way of How It Is with any argument, rebuttal, or challenge only serving to prove how right they are. But...hey...I won't judge them as being pompous. I'll just subtly do it by association.

Justme696 -> RE: Question please? (2/17/2008 2:35:22 PM)
what is this twueness stuff actually (tweety trueness??) sounds to me always like : You are wrong, because I am right is that what it means? ..sorry dark blond European here lol

amadeus77 -> RE: Question please? (2/17/2008 4:14:08 PM)
Well-reasoned and well-said, BlackPhx.

BlackPhx -> RE: Question please? (2/17/2008 5:05:05 PM)
Thank you very much, It is only my opinion, but it has forced me to do empirical quantitative research to back my observations. Plus RavenMuse's thoughts on compatibility rings true from my experience when I reflect upon it. Competion get the attention, compatibility ultimately seals the relationship, hard work keeps it going. All in all I have evolved my philosphy and thinking and that is more then worth the price of admission. Also the most profound ideas can be measured in the volume of it's detractors. The forums and its interactions have served me well this day, who can ask for more. Learning and growing after 20 years of kink BlackPhx "I am not kissing your ass, I am dominating it with forceful blows from my lips"

Justme696 -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 12:46:52 PM)
quote: It is only my opinion, but it has forced me to do empirical quantitative research to back my observations. you seem to know statistics..how big was the population studied?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 1:49:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlackPhx That look, that stare that promise of Dominance, or similar likes, that intellect, or way with words is the peacocks feather that snags her attention over that of another Doms..and you have beaten out the competiton for her attention, allowing you both to begin to learn more about the other. poenkitten (remembering the Territorial Imperative of life) Not sure how you work that when it comes to open poly relationships. My ex owner had three other solid long term relationships already when he met me, and openly encouraged me to be with others. When I met my current partner, I had four other solid relationships. I also encouraged him to date and go be with others. Somehow we both ended up living with eachother.

ownedandcollared -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 2:38:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox Have any Masters’ fought {Or competed}with another Master for a sub’s collar? The collar is never the slave's/sub's collar. It will always belong to the Master, and He allows her to wear it as a sign of His ownership of her.

aquasub -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 5:15:28 PM)
What gives a Master the right to betray is slave. Hide the truth from her. then when she finds out she is the one taken the heat.

KatyLied -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 5:22:22 PM)
quote: I will not judge you as being unseasoned or insecure because of it Wow.

laurell3 -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 5:27:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlackPhx Thank you very much, It is only my opinion, but it has forced me to do empirical quantitative research to back my observations. Plus RavenMuse's thoughts on compatibility rings true from my experience when I reflect upon it. Competion get the attention, compatibility ultimately seals the relationship, hard work keeps it going. All in all I have evolved my philosphy and thinking and that is more then worth the price of admission. Also the most profound ideas can be measured in the volume of it's detractors. The forums and its interactions have served me well this day, who can ask for more. Learning and growing after 20 years of kink BlackPhx "I am not kissing your ass, I am dominating it with forceful blows from my lips" You've got to be kidding me with your "empirical quantitative research"...right? Look you can't research individual emotions period. They vary widely from person to person. What others may think is hot such as competition, I would find ridiculous, juvenile and kick their asses out the door for doing it. You're never going to be able to speak of any absolute here, we're all different. No "research" is ever going to change that.

Jeffff -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 5:32:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied quote: I will not judge you as being unseasoned or insecure because of it Wow. Yeah...passive agressive judgement Jeffwey

Alumbrado -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 5:42:03 PM)
quote: You've got to be kidding me with your "empirical quantitative research"...right? I'm betting it is either 'Sooper Seekrit' research, or so complicated it can't possibly be shown...[8\|]

BlackPhx -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 5:49:24 PM)
Frankly I did not do a statistical analysis, I did a general survey. This survey is by no means complete and does not take into consideration a great deal of factors like: How many are availiable or not available, cross contamination of the sample (multiple entries in multiple cataegories), current considerations, switches as either dominants or submissive, online only relationships compared to those that want face to face encounters, multiple profiles for the same individual/couple, or how much of the sample pool is ficticious. But the ratio I generated from the sample gives a rough idea how big our pool of prefered partners is to the number of our peers they have to pick from. To get a real statistical analysis I will have to tap my friend Richie who has a Master degree in statistics, and may bounce this off him to see if he can come up with an accurate analysis. I took the number of people who joined CollarMe.com (last joined searches) for the last two months. This yielded a sample of little under a thousand people. with the following results Dominant women looking for submissive women: 97 Submissive women looking for dominant women: 106 Ratio of dominant women to submissive women approximately 1 : 1.09 in favor of the dominants women Dominant men looking for submissive women: 508 Submissive women looking for Dominant men: 205 Ratio of dominant men to submissive women approximately 1 : 2.48 in favor of the submissive women Couples looking for submissive women: 107 Submissive women looking for Poly Relationships: 40 Ratio of couples to submissive women: 1 : 2.68 in favor of the submissives Dominant women looking for submissive men: 125 Submissive men looking for dominant women: 300 Ratio of dominate women to submissive men: 1 : 2.4 in favor of the dominant women Dominant men looking for submissive men: 62 Submissive men looking fordominant men: 176 Ratio of Dominant men to submissive men 1 : 2.84 in favor of the dominant men These ratios are in line with my general observations when going to kink clubs but not to munches. (many more couples attend munches then clubs). I am not saying this general survey proves without any doubt I am correct or this is the truth. After all I did not go back a couple of years or take similar surveys on alt.com. Frankly I have to work and make a living and can not take all my time doing this. But the results do indicated it is more unlikely that a dominant male will have a submissive female as a permanent partner based on random chance and the odds of having multiple permanent partners even more unlikely. Now I have had 10 different women I have had real life encounters with some ongoing and some very short lived relationships and this survey result is incorrguent from my personal experience and this is where RavenMuse's theory of compatibility may comes into play. I suspect the permanent ratios may be true and if all the submissives settled down at once a lot of dominants will have no one to play with. But until permanent pairings are attained (compatibility achieved) a lot of us dominants share the same submissives in temporary relationships. I define permanent relationships as relationships of 2 years or more. Bringing my personal ratio of permanent to temporary relationships 3 to 7. I wonder if that is true of most dominants. Alas, that is for another thread. Way too wordy BlackPhx

carlie310 -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 6:05:51 PM)
But wasn't the OP less about the relative availability of sub v Dom, and more about two potential Masters in direct competition against each other? Fighting over one specific sub for the chance to put a collar around her neck? That was my interpretation. (goes back and rereads) Still is. Doesn't matter who is here in what numbers, I don't want a Dom who would get pulled into a struggle with another, and I don't want to get into a struggle with another sub trying to win the favor of a certain Dom. I want to please, and in pleasing I find pleasure. If I don't, I'll move on.

BlackPhx -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 6:06:30 PM)
You are absolutely right laurell3 it is impossible to research individual emotions as individual people can be rather erratic and you are very asture to point that out. I am just looking at trends of groups of people and the categories they have choosen to be placed in when they made thier profile. This does not mean they all have the same definition of submissive, dominant or switch or that there is no grey areas. This is why I said "back up" my ideas not prove. I am just trying to understand the world I live in, I am not preaching, I am not asking you to believe it to be true. I try to be a man of logic and look at subjects from things I can measure. This is sometimes difficult, my passion for BDSM is a pardox and often my heart is at odds with my mind. BDSM is more then just a numbers game, it is an art and an expression and one that is difficult to understand. If my attempts to achieve this has disturbed you, understand that is not my intent. BlackPhx

BlackPhx -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 6:37:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied quote: I will not judge you as being unseasoned or insecure because of it Wow. Yeah...passive agressive judgement Jeffwey Yes it can be if the statement is insincere, I try my best to be sincere with myself and with others. I try not to let my bias cloud my judgement. After all I am not on this forum to piss anyone off. I also don't like being judged so try not to do the same to others. I am here on this forum to think, to listen, to understand and most importantly bounce my ideas off others and see where the conversation inspires me. Sometimes I get frustrated expressing my points and I will step away, talk with poen then "dance" with her to clear my head. Even this post is focusing my thought to what I want and what is important to me and what kind of person I want to be. I aspire to be a man that reserves judgement, works to understand this life I lead, works to learn new things, and continues to grow in responsiblity and dependablity. I think that is what would most make me happy with myself. There is no tangible benefit to petty sniping, it impresses no one, it shuts out people to network with, and if they are unreceptive enough leads to destructive conflicts no one wins. The cost for that type of behaviour far outstrips the purile pleasure and temporary ego boost it generates. Thank you for helping me focus my thoughts with your post, you have done me a great service. Thinking way too much this last week or two BlackPhx

laurell3 -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 6:47:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlackPhx There is no tangible benefit to petty sniping, it impresses no one, it shuts out people to network with, and if they are unreceptive enough leads to destructive conflicts no one wins. The cost for that type of behaviour far outstrips the purile pleasure and temporary ego boost it generates. Admirable, but expecting it here and responding when you don't get it is unrealistic and really doesn't accomplish what you state your goal is in posting. I appreciate the thought though and the explanation above.

BlackPhx -> RE: Question please? (2/18/2008 6:56:01 PM)
Yeah, I gave a hard thought about that in the begining and almost did not post because of it. My thought is the likely chance of a direct competition is a result of the relatively high demand of male dominants to the relatively low supply of submisive women. So I felt my post was reasonably "on topic". Ofcourse it does seem to have deviated into something far deeper then the original post intended. Again, not my intention to hijack the thread but it does seemed to have gone that way [sm=ofcourse.gif]. But, I do have to say I am learning a lot from this thread because of SailingBum, MadRabbit, Alumbrado, laurell3, and especially RavenMuse who have all helped me question, think, focus and evolve my peceptions in thier own special way. To each I say thank you and know you have my appreciation. Evil genius for a better tommorrow BlackPhx

Justme696 -> RE: Question please? (2/19/2008 1:16:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlackPhx Frankly I did not do a statistical analysis, I did a general survey. This survey is by no means complete and does not take into consideration a great deal of factors like: How many are availiable or not available, cross contamination of the sample (multiple entries in multiple cataegories), current considerations, switches as either dominants or submissive, online only relationships compared to those that want face to face encounters, multiple profiles for the same individual/couple, or how much of the sample pool is ficticious. But the ratio I generated from the sample gives a rough idea how big our pool of prefered partners is to the number of our peers they have to pick from. To get a real statistical analysis I will have to tap my friend Richie who has a Master degree in statistics, and may bounce this off him to see if he can come up with an accurate analysis. I took the number of people who joined CollarMe.com (last joined searches) for the last two months. This yielded a sample of little under a thousand people. with the following results Dominant women looking for submissive women: 97 Submissive women looking for dominant women: 106 Ratio of dominant women to submissive women approximately 1 : 1.09 in favor of the dominants women Dominant men looking for submissive women: 508 Submissive women looking for Dominant men: 205 Ratio of dominant men to submissive women approximately 1 : 2.48 in favor of the submissive women Couples looking for submissive women: 107 Submissive women looking for Poly Relationships: 40 Ratio of couples to submissive women: 1 : 2.68 in favor of the submissives Dominant women looking for submissive men: 125 Submissive men looking for dominant women: 300 Ratio of dominate women to submissive men: 1 : 2.4 in favor of the dominant women Dominant men looking for submissive men: 62 Submissive men looking fordominant men: 176 Ratio of Dominant men to submissive men 1 : 2.84 in favor of the dominant men These ratios are in line with my general observations when going to kink clubs but not to munches. (many more couples attend munches then clubs). I am not saying this general survey proves without any doubt I am correct or this is the truth. After all I did not go back a couple of years or take similar surveys on alt.com. Frankly I have to work and make a living and can not take all my time doing this. But the results do indicated it is more unlikely that a dominant male will have a submissive female as a permanent partner based on random chance and the odds of having multiple permanent partners even more unlikely. Now I have had 10 different women I have had real life encounters with some ongoing and some very short lived relationships and this survey result is incorrguent from my personal experience and this is where RavenMuse's theory of compatibility may comes into play. I suspect the permanent ratios may be true and if all the submissives settled down at once a lot of dominants will have no one to play with. But until permanent pairings are attained (compatibility achieved) a lot of us dominants share the same submissives in temporary relationships. I define permanent relationships as relationships of 2 years or more. Bringing my personal ratio of permanent to temporary relationships 3 to 7. I wonder if that is true of most dominants. Alas, that is for another thread. Way too wordy BlackPhx lol no thank you..not to wordy.... I am a quality engineer in our company...although this research wouldn't pass as "proof" I must say I am impressed by the work you put in. It is a very nice read. Thank you very much for sharing. When home..I wil reread. The problem..I have at work to..with emperical is..that one can easily work towards the wanted or expected goal. But anyway..... you work with numbers..not just a "feeling"and that is nice to see. thank you again D.

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