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Owner59 -> McCain defends "100 year occupation" statement (2/16/2008 6:43:27 PM)

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sharainks -> RE: McCain defends "100 year occupation" statement (2/16/2008 7:30:13 PM)

This type of stuff is exactly why I would not vote for McCain.  With him I feel the main push would be to maintain the status quo and go on business as usual.   IMO the country needs change and I can't see anything about McCain that leads me to believe he is about making the changes needed to get this country back on its feet. 






slaveboyforyou -> RE: McCain defends "100 year occupation" statement (2/16/2008 7:46:39 PM)

Well I hate to say it, but this is only the beginning.  Hillary and Obama are fooling you when they say they won't do the same.  We are in a increasingly voliatile world with decreasing resources.  We have several large countries that are in the midst of massive industrialization.  They are going to be competing with us for resources more and more.  I don't like having troops in Iraq.  I was against it, and I still am.  But we are now there.  The people in control of both parties are globalists, and they will insist on our prescence in every important region.  It's not going to change whether Hillary, Obama, or McCain win. 

At this point I have given up on getting what I want with foreign policy.  I want the lesser evil, and I think the socialized medical plan that Hillary has outlined will bankrupt us.  She wants to garnish our wages for fuck's sake if we decide we don't want medical insurance.  The government already takes 20% of my pay.  I don't want to give them anymore.  Hillary will take mine and your money.  She is the most evil one running, and I pray we can keep her out of office. 



SugarMyChurro -> RE: McCain defends "100 year occupation" statement (2/16/2008 8:01:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
We are in a increasingly voliatile world with decreasing resources.


I disagree, although I think that overpopulation is an issue because of limits on certain kinds of resources. And maybe there really are enough people on earth already that we should practice one to one replacement and no more.

If you mean oil and coal, I think you are dead wrong. We don't need oil nor coal. We need to stop throwing money at the war-machine and move on to meaningful expenditures in infrastructure.





sharainks -> RE: McCain defends "100 year occupation" statement (2/17/2008 7:04:37 AM)

I've got a novel idea.  How about if the US uses some of the many ideas there are out there to become energy independent?  How about we make those things in this country to be purchased by Americans?   Wind power seems to be one area where we might have the lead.  In my home state of KS there is plenty of wind to be had.  I realize that this would require our govt to begin to think about doing what is best for this country over the long haul.  I know it would be a stretch not to be looking out for oil interests and their lobbyist.  Altruistic being that I am I would wish for elected officals who actually attempt to do what is best for the US rather than feeding the pocketbooks of the already rich.



Sinergy -> RE: McCain defends "100 year occupation" statement (2/17/2008 6:49:48 PM)


I am personally of the opinion that the media wants Billary to win the nomination because it will reenergize the Republican party to keep her down.

Obama wins the nomination, half the Republican party will stay home and sulk, and the other half will vote for Obama.

I guess I dont believe anything the Republicans have to say.  I think they will say or do anything to get the nomination, and what they say they support wont see the light of day if they do get elected.  In other words, I have serious doubts that a man who was tortured in a POW camp for 5 years really means he wants us to stay in Iraq forever, or wants to torture people, but he has to say it to get nominated.

Which is not to say I admire a complete lack of integrity in a person, but McCain has to play by the Neo-Con and Charismatic Christian Right playbook or he will be thrown aside in favor of the millenialist nutjob that is Huckabee.

Sinergy



cyberdude611 -> RE: McCain defends "100 year occupation" statement (2/17/2008 8:16:23 PM)

You far-left people are very short-sighted.

You want to improve America's reputation in the world. Meanwhile you want to withdrawl from Iraq. You know what will happen when we do that? Genocide. Civil War. Millions will be killed.

And no....this is not the same as Vietnam. When we pulled out of Vietnam, Nixon and Kissinger made a deal with the Chinese. In return for our withdrawl, the Chinese promised to pressure the communists in Vietnam to suppress violence and to limit their militantism. A promise the Chinese upheld. After Vietnam, they stopped communist expansion. Had we not made that deal, we would have been in Vietnam even longer. That secret Chinese deal was our exit strategy.

We don't have anyone to make that kind of deal with when it comes to Iraq today. So if we leave, there will be an enormous power vaccum. The government admits it cannot defend itself. And then you will have Iran and Syria fighting for territory. The three islamic sects will murder each other. Why does this matter to America? Oil. If Iraq falls apart, our gas prices go up to $8 a gallon and our economy will plummit into depression. Our economy runs on oil. If that oil price spikes an enormous amount, transportation and trade costs go up. This means that the prices of good rise quickly, the value of currency drops, and you have inflation.

That's why I think if Obama or Hillary win....they won't leave Iraq. They will not pull troops out. That's a campaign promise they WILL break.



cyberdude611 -> RE: McCain defends "100 year occupation" statement (2/17/2008 8:44:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sharainks

This type of stuff is exactly why I would not vote for McCain.  With him I feel the main push would be to maintain the status quo and go on business as usual.   IMO the country needs change and I can't see anything about McCain that leads me to believe he is about making the changes needed to get this country back on its feet. 



And what kind of change are you looking for? That's what Obama is refusing to explain. How the hell can you vote for someone who refuses to explain his positions and his beliefs? The only thing I hear from Obama is about how wonderful it is going to be with blacks, whites, and latinos working together to make America a great country again.

I am so sick and tired of that political rhetoric! I want real answers to real issues and question. And everytime Obama tries to answer a serious question about an issue or a policy, his inexperience is very clearly shown.

McCain is going to rip him in the debates. Remember it was a few months ago that Obama said the US should disarm its nuclear arsenal and we should invade Pakistan. If he were to actually do such things, the Pentagon and CIA will hire another Oswald.



Sinergy -> RE: McCain defends "100 year occupation" statement (2/17/2008 8:46:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

You want to improve America's reputation in the world. Meanwhile you want to withdrawl from Iraq. You know what will happen when we do that? Genocide. Civil War. Millions will be killed.



I am not sure if you noticed, but George W. Bush has gone out of his way to successfully and completely destroy America's reputation in the world.

I dont know if we have killed millions of  Iraqis since we invaded, but Im not keeping score.  I imagine the longer we stay the closer we get to the score you want to reach.

I agree with your point that if we leave we have genocide and civil war.  I am a bit puzzled you would make it since we are there and there is genocide and civil war.  Please clarify why staying there is a positive for anybody.

The primary difference between us being there or not is that when things like Katrina hit New Orleans we have national guardsmen and their equipment (helicopters, etc) who can go in and fix the problems we have at home rather than squandering our national resources in some insane boondoggle that a bunch of witless incompetents (that you Right wing types voted into office) dragged us in to.

I am glad you are standing behind your (Texas) village idiot, but it would be nice of one of you could actually come up with a win-win solution in all this, do something to make it work out, instead of just jabbering the party line and hoping things eventually work out.

As SugarMyChurro pointed out, the Right has so profoundly screwed the pooch that the next administration will be left holding the bag.  The sad thing is that the Right has so successfully erected a Somebody Else's Problem field on the mess they created that they will happily blame everything on whoever gets elected in "Yer Fired 2" or election, 2008.

Sinergy




cyberdude611 -> RE: McCain defends "100 year occupation" statement (2/17/2008 9:17:01 PM)

The war wasnt planned right or executed right from the start. You cant just go into a country, overthrow the dictator, say to everyone that they are free, and then expect everyone to get along. It doesnt work that way. They should have set up a dictatorship and kept the armed forces intact. Then that dictator will already have the resources necessary to begin mobilizing the country towards democratic reform and the security would have been maintained.

The problem with that strategy is that it's not politically correct. Too often we care more about how we are going to be percieved in the short term rather than the long term implications.

The US being bashed is also not a new phenomenon. I guess the Obama supporters were asleep during the cold war where the US was routinely bashed non-stop by China, the Soviet Union, communists, and socialists all over the world. Hitler in World War 2 went on hour-long rants ripping the United States and "their capitalist minions."

We've always been hated by someone.



thompsonx -> RE: McCain defends "100 year occupation" statement (2/17/2008 9:35:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
We've always been hated by someone.

Perhaps if the U.S. government would stop going around the world thugging people out of their shit then they might stop hating us.
thompson



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