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sub4hire -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/16/2005 12:35:58 PM)
This is from snopes.com and is not copying properly. The first colume should be fat, second is saturated, polyunsaturated and last but not least monosaturated. Circa 2003 Those still tussling with the "butter versus margarine" controversy, or who just want to know how their margarine stacks up against others might find the following comparison chart informative. Numbers given in grams refer to how many grams of each particular type of fat there are per tablespoon of that brand. (A tablespoon of butter or margarine contains 14 grams.) Numbers given as percentages represent the impact of one tablespoon of that spread on the recommended daily allowance of that substance. Margarines sampled were of the "tub" variety. (The same margarines in "stick" form had consistently higher numbers.) Total Fat Saturated Polyunsaturated Monounsaturated Butter 11g (17%) 7g (36%) 0 0 I Can't Believe It's Not Butter 10g (15%) 2g (10%) 4.5g 4.5g I Can't Believe It's Not Butter Light 5g (8%) 1g (5%) 2.5g 1.5g Parkay 8g (13%) 1.5g (8%) 4g 2g Fleischmann's 9g (14%) 1.5g (10%) 4g 3g Blue Bonnet 7g (14%) 1.5g (10%) 3g 2g Imperial 7g (10%) 1.5g (7%) 3g 1.5g Country Crock (Shedd's Spread) 7g (10%) 1.5g (7%) 3g 1.5g Because butter is an animal product, it contains cholesterol, amounting to 30 mg per tablespoon or 10% of the USDA recommended daily allowance. Margarines, because they are non-animal products, do not. The preceeding chart says nothing about which margarines contain trans fats or how much because this information is not yet included on product labels. Although a great deal of the information given in the e-mail is valid, one bit of intelligence is nothing more than hyperbole tossed in by the author in an effort to make his point more strongly. The claim that some comestible is but a "single molecule away" from being a decidedly inedible (or even toxic) substance has been applied to a variety of processed foods, but that type of statement (even if it were true) is essentially meaningless. Many disparate substances share similar chemical properties, but even the slightest variation in molecular structure can make a world of difference in the qualities of those substances.

luvdragonx -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/16/2005 1:37:59 PM)
The closer a product is to it's original form makes me wanna eat it instead of the labratory foods. The more steps you get away from the living organism, the fewer benefits it has. I've always thought margarine tasted like plastic and it made my stomach feel icky. Same with movie/microwave popcorn. And Velveeta. And beverages with aspartame in them. I understand the reasoning behind a lot of the additives in our food, but that doesn't make it good for us. I also understand the supposed need to 'create' foods to replace the so-called bad foods. Still, that doesn't make the created food better for us, does it? There is still scientific debate over whether or not fluoridating water is good/bad/useless. Ever wonder why so many products are enriched? Because the nutrients we're supposed to get from our food - all taken from the soil - are hardly there anymore. Well that and the FDA (I think) decided it would benefit kids who didn't have access to a full diet of healthier foods. ...looking for the article on hydrogenated oils.......

luvdragonx -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/16/2005 1:41:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet The most interesting thing about the Butter vs Margarine topic is that every few years, the report always changes about which one is healthier. Butter is bad Margarine is good. Butter is good, Margarine is bad. Butter is bad Margarine is bad. Butter is good Margarine is good. These reports are constantly changing with professional nutritionist every time you read a health magazine. I remember what a certain comedian said about eggs. 20 yrs ago Eggs where good for you so he ate them. Then 10 years later eggs are bad so he stoped eating them. Then 5 years later eggs are good so he eats twice as much to make up. Now he hears that eggs are bad so he's really fucked. I wonder when our health professonals will get it right and stop playing guess work? Any how, I personally belive that life without butter SUCKS!!! No one lives forever so why not enjoy what taste the best? Once there was a middle aged Dr who I caught eating donuts in the break room. I said "Don't you know those are bad for you?" He replied "In the past I was to young to worry, now I'm to old to care" Was that the same comedian who said he couldn't understand the deal with bottled water?[:D]

Lordandmaster -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/16/2005 1:54:12 PM)
You're right. Instead, I've been READING. You might want to try it; you'll get a better understanding of what the science is all about. quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet quote: The reports don't change back and forth. The science just keeps getting better Someone hasn't been watching the news lately or for the past 10 years.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/16/2005 1:56:54 PM)
Yes, but today plenty of margarines say right on their packaging that they are trans-fat free, and they can't legally say that if their product contains more than a certain amount of trans fat (yes, you can thank the FDA: "trans-fat free" doesn't have to mean 100% free). So if a margarine DOESN'T say "trans-fat free," you can be sure that it's not trans-fat free. And that means: don't buy it. quote: ORIGINAL: sub4hire The preceeding chart says nothing about which margarines contain trans fats or how much because this information is not yet included on product labels.

frenchpet -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/16/2005 2:50:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: siamsa24 The only difference that I notice between the two is that I think that butter tastes yucky and makes me sick (no lactose for this girl) Poor poor girl. Then you'll never know the ecstasy of really smelly cheeses, served with fresh bread, and the perfect wine... it's sooo, oh, oh, yummmhmmm... mmmhhh yyyyes ! Arrrhh ! Oops...I think I did it again [:D]

siamsa24 -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/17/2005 7:50:50 PM)
quote: Then you'll never know the ecstasy of really smelly cheeses Makes what is known as "the crinkly nose face" My partner eats those and they stink up the whole 'fridge, not good for my fresh veggies

frenchpet -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/18/2005 12:47:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: siamsa24 quote: Then you'll never know the ecstasy of really smelly cheeses Makes what is known as "the crinkly nose face" My partner eats those and they stink up the whole 'fridge, not good for my fresh veggies Then you're doubly punished. There's a solution for that : a cheese box ! Ewww, veggies smelling cheese, how can you stand that. You must be a stoic, I thought this philosophical current was over... But I'm curious, how could he get good cheese in America, I thought unpasteurized milk were illegal in America, and that you could only find crappy brie and then worse down to industrial cheese. Or did this change ?

siamsa24 -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/18/2005 7:21:00 AM)
quote: But I'm curious, how could he get good cheese in America, I thought unpasteurized milk were illegal in America, and that you could only find crappy brie and then worse down to industrial cheese. Or did this change ? There is a little place up the street from our house that makes their own cheese. I don't know if it is legal or not, we live in an area that is pretty much left alone (it's us and then all the rest of the people in are neighborhood are immigrants, it makes for great neighbors and fantastic food).

Lordandmaster -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/18/2005 9:40:08 AM)
We IMPORT cheese, you know. The best domestic American cheeses are not French. (Stands to reason, after all.) I mean, how good is French Guinness? quote: ORIGINAL: frenchpet But I'm curious, how could he get good cheese in America, I thought unpasteurized milk were illegal in America, and that you could only find crappy brie and then worse down to industrial cheese. Or did this change ?

frenchpet -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/18/2005 10:20:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster We IMPORT cheese, you know. The best domestic American cheeses are not French. (Stands to reason, after all.) I mean, how good is French Guinness? Yes, I KNOW.[8\|] What was that ??? Are you having a bad day ? Or are you just upset that it's so hard to find good cheese ? (I would understand that !) I was just saying that it's illegal to import (or produce) unpasteurized cheese to (in) America. The official reason is health concerns, but if unpasteurized cheese were dangerous, we wouldn't eat so much.[8\|] And I've never had really good cheese other than from France, Italy and the Netherlands (I've tasted many cheeses from 6 other countries, they were mostly tasteless, with just the exception of one german green cheese). The only french cheese I saw in America was brie, which is pretty tasteless. I really tried to find good cheese, tried different imported and local cheeses, I just didn't find anything really good, not even really better than brie... Actually I could find another french milk based product that they dare calling "cheese" (the laughing cow, yuck). I don't understand why that seems to upset you, or why you talk about beer. I know french beer can be as bad as budweiser... but that's why we invented Belgium ![:)]

frenchpet -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/18/2005 10:24:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: siamsa24 quote: But I'm curious, how could he get good cheese in America, I thought unpasteurized milk were illegal in America, and that you could only find crappy brie and then worse down to industrial cheese. Or did this change ? There is a little place up the street from our house that makes their own cheese. I don't know if it is legal or not, we live in an area that is pretty much left alone (it's us and then all the rest of the people in are neighborhood are immigrants, it makes for great neighbors and fantastic food). That sounds really nice, I guess all you need now is a box where to keep the smell of the cheese :).

siamsa24 -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/18/2005 10:34:16 AM)
I will keep an eye out for one, it sounds like a good solution.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Butter v. Margarine (9/18/2005 4:52:05 PM)
Well, part of the problem with finding good cheese in America is that American grocery stores tend to aim for the lowest common denominator and then drop their prices as low as they can go. That's great if you're buying diapers or canned peaches, not so great if you're buying brie. So to find what we call specialty food, you usually have to go to a specialty store, and many suburban areas don't have one (or have one that sucks). The system has its strengths and weaknesses. We get excellent bananas for about 30-60 cents a pound. We don't often get great cheese. I've had some very good Swiss and Austrian cheeses--some good Danish ones, too, come to think of it. Oh, and Greek cheeses. But I agree that French, Dutch, and Italian cheeses are great. I suppose gouda and chevre are my favorites. I know that Belgians are touchy about their beer, but I've always found Belgian beer thick and overrated. It's like liquid bread. quote: ORIGINAL: frenchpet What was that ??? Are you having a bad day ? Or are you just upset that it's so hard to find good cheese ? (I would understand that !) I was just saying that it's illegal to import (or produce) unpasteurized cheese to (in) America. The official reason is health concerns, but if unpasteurized cheese were dangerous, we wouldn't eat so much.[8\|] And I've never had really good cheese other than from France, Italy and the Netherlands (I've tasted many cheeses from 6 other countries, they were mostly tasteless, with just the exception of one german green cheese). The only french cheese I saw in America was brie, which is pretty tasteless. I really tried to find good cheese, tried different imported and local cheeses, I just didn't find anything really good, not even really better than brie... Actually I could find another french milk based product that they dare calling "cheese" (the laughing cow, yuck). I don't understand why that seems to upset you, or why you talk about beer. I know french beer can be as bad as budweiser... but that's why we invented Belgium ![:)]

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