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Butter v. Margarine - 9/15/2005 12:35:25 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		Someone sent this to me this morning in an email. Can any chemists out there confirm or discredit this?

DO YOU KNOW..

The difference between margarine and butter?

I know some of you already know the difference, but this is just a reminder!
Both have the same amount of calories. (Except "light" but it maintains the same chemical composition)
Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared to 5 grams.
Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53% over eating the same amount of butter, according to a recent Harvard Medical Study.

Eating butter increases the absorption of many other nutrients in other foods.Butter has many nutritional benefits where margarine has a few only because they are added!

Butter tastes much better than margarine and it can enhance the flavors of other foods.
Butter has been around for centuries where margarine has been around for less than 100 years.

And now, for Margarine..
Very high in trans fatty acids...
Triple risk of coronary heart disease..
Increases total cholesterol and LDL this is the bad cholesterol) Lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol) ....
Increases the risk of cancers by up to five fold...
Lowers quality of breast milk...
Decreases insulin response.

And here is the most disturbing fact....
HERE IS THE PART THAT IS VERY INTERESTING!
Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC...

This fact alone was enough to have me avoiding margarine for life and anything else that is hydrogenated (this means hydrogen is added, changing the molecular structure of the substance).

YOU can try this yourself: purchase a tub of margarine and leave it in your garage or shaded area. Within a couple of days you will note a couple of things: no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it that should tell you something...it does not rot or smell differently because it has no nutritional value, nothing will grow on it.. even those teeny weeny microorganisms will not a find a home to grow.>

Why? Because it is nearly plastic. Would you melt your Tupperware and spread that on your toast? (Now I know what happens to all those lost Tupperware lids - they become margarine!)
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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/15/2005 12:49:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Margarine was also originally used to fatten turkeys & other fowl, and they added the yellow color when they decided it could be used for human comsumption.

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/15/2005 12:52:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's extremely misleading, if not downright false. A lot of early margarine products were indeed high in trans fat, but there are several new kinds that are much healthier than butter. Some, in fact, are proven to lower cholesterol. The problem with butter is saturated fat, and no amount of corporate advertising is going to change the fact that saturated fat is bad for you.

Smart Beat and Smart Balance are both free of trans fat; I think Smart Balance tastes a little better, but I'm sure some people would prefer Smart Beat. Lee Iacocca makes a new product that's decent (with a lot of olive oil), but I don't remember what it's called.

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/15/2005 3:03:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		And here's just another little bitty fact that might have everyone reaching for their butter:

I have a nice low cholesterol number, high numbers of the good ones, low numbers of the bad ones, great ratio, etc, etc. But, now in middle age, I visited a famous heart physician near me for a check up because, despite the wonderful cholesterol readings in our family, somehow everyone of my older siblings has developed heart disease.

He said quote: "We have found that 60% of those who have heart disease have high cholesterol and 60% of those never developing heart disease have high cholesterol, so basically it has begun to be believed that cholesterol is far less important than heredity"

Hand me the butter. If I'm going to die anyway, at least I'll enjoy myself on the way out! LOL

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/15/2005 3:09:21 PM   
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That's extremely misleading, if not downright false. A lot of early margarine products were indeed high in trans fat, but there are several new kinds that are much healthier than butter. Some, in fact, are proven to lower cholesterol. The problem with butter is saturated fat, and no amount of corporate advertising is going to change the fact that saturated fat is bad for you.

Smart Beat and Smart Balance are both free of trans fat; I think Smart Balance tastes a little better, but I'm sure some people would prefer Smart Beat. Lee Iacocca makes a new product that's decent (with a lot of olive oil), but I don't remember what it's called.


It was true when it first started circulating the internet year's ago. Chemistry changed it though.

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/15/2005 3:13:00 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		We may as well call this Lam's Theorem III: An American is incommensurately likely to get pissed off if you point out that his or her favorite food isn't healthy.

We did this on the french fries and potato chips thread.

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Hand me the butter. If I'm going to die anyway, at least I'll enjoy myself on the way out! LOL


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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/15/2005 3:13:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's mostly true http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/butter.asp

To add to Barbara Mikkelson's comment, I'd say that when I studied chemistry, a few years ago, I learnt how to make some molecule that was used as a medicine. I didn't actually synthetize it, but I had the exact step-by-step recipe (the problem was to say what happened at each step, and how to add a new thingy on the molecule etc...). Anyway, at the end of the problem, there was some info explaining that this very useful molecule had the exact same formula as a deadly poison, the only difference was that a group of atoms was turned to the right instead of being turned to the left. To take the usual comparison, It's just like using your right hand instead of your left hand. They are exactly similar, yet you can't use them the same way because of the symetry.

So about this molecule that is used to heal whatever it was (I studied that 6 years ago, bear with me), I could say : "This molecule has exactly the same formula as a deadly poison !!!"
True. So what ?

All this to say what ? Well, margarine tastes terrible anyway...

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/15/2005 3:15:12 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		It's true for margarines that are high in trans fat, but, as I said, most margarines in the grocery store today are free of trans fat.

Edited to add: Here's a good guide (from the Center for Science in the Public Interest).

http://www.cspinet.org/nah/12_01/

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It's mostly true http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/butter.asp



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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/15/2005 6:14:21 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		Does anyone know what that slightly yellowish slippery substance is that you get to put on popcorn when you go to the movie? Now that CAN'T be good for you! Those molecules must be very distant relatives a couple times removed from butter.

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/15/2005 7:15:16 PM   
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Smart Beat and Smart Balance are both free of trans fat; I think Smart Balance tastes a little better, but I'm sure some people would prefer Smart Beat. Lee Iacocca makes a new product that's decent (with a lot of olive oil), but I don't remember what it's called.
These are great bits of information, but the general population doesn't have it; in fact most of the people I know who buy Margarine don't buy those specific brands.

If most of the other Margarines sold are as Merc described above, it's terrible that the general population doesn't know, and continues to buy Margarine because it's cheaper and allegedly healthier.
Note I said general population; I personally don't use a lot of either product, but if I am buying and using, it is usually the butter. M

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/15/2005 9:35:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Damn! Learn something new everyday! Growing up, my Mom always bought margerine instead of butter, and being a kid, I never noticed any difference. Of course, I was an adult before I ever even tasted butter (ok, I know, pathetic). I personally prefer butter, never worry about the healthy/non healthy issues.

The oily stuff on popcorn at the movies I always thought was basically butter flavored oil. I don't really like popcorn much, so it never mattered to me. Try it with some garlic powder and parmesan cheese though (yummy).

I do wonder though, growing up using margerine all the time....I wonder if what I always thought of as my "iron gut" (very little doesn't sit well in my stomach) is actually my "plastic gut", heavily coated from years and years of consuming "near plastic"?

Think I need to go back to the sexual fantasy threads...at least they give me "happy thoughts"!

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/16/2005 6:25:58 AM   
olderbbwsub


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Status: offline 		Hey, maybe margarine could be a new form of lube.
Greasy enough, a bit of flavor, and near plastic may work as a barrier!

I know, I know...ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

*lol*

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/16/2005 8:32:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		The most interesting thing about the Butter vs Margarine topic is that every few years, the report always changes about which one is healthier. Butter is bad Margarine is good. Butter is good, Margarine is bad. Butter is bad Margarine is bad. Butter is good Margarine is good. These reports are constantly changing with professional nutritionist every time you read a health magazine.

I remember what a certain comedian said about eggs.

20 yrs ago Eggs where good for you so he ate them. Then 10 years later eggs are bad so he stoped eating them. Then 5 years later eggs are good so he eats twice as much to make up. Now he hears that eggs are bad so he's really fucked.

I wonder when our health professonals will get it right and stop playing guess work?
Any how, I personally belive that life without butter SUCKS!!! No one lives forever so why not enjoy what taste the best?

Once there was a middle aged Dr who I caught eating donuts in the break room. I said "Don't you know those are bad for you?" He replied "In the past I was to young to worry, now I'm to old to care"

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/16/2005 8:54:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		You know, only someone who doesn't bother to pay attention to the REASONS behind these reports could come away with the conclusion that they change back and forth. The reports don't change back and forth. The science just keeps getting better.

What I really don't understand is why the whole subject of nutrition seems to piss off Americans. They view nutrition experts as antagonists: as authority figures who are trying to keep their hands out of the cookie jar. Look, if YOU were a scientist researching nutrition, and YOU found evidence that such-and-such is bad for your health, wouldn't you feel an obligation to announce it? I think most Americans have a deplorably immature attitude about nutrition. They want to eat the foods they like, and get angry when people suggest that those foods might not be good for them--about the same way that a five-year-old throws a temper tantrum when Daddy says he can't have a third cookie.

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/16/2005 8:56:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet
20 yrs ago Eggs where good for you so he ate them. Then 10 years later eggs are bad so he stoped eating them. Then 5 years later eggs are good so he eats twice as much to make up. Now he hears that eggs are bad so he's really fucked.

Same with milk. I remember a very old commercial saying "Milk, it does a body good". And the next time I was in America it was "Got milk ?". Maybe the thing that changed between the two was that there had been so many reports saying that adults shouldn't drink milk, that they can't digest it, because they couldn't keep using the health argument ?

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet
I wonder when our health professonals will get it right and stop playing guess work?

When the food processing industry will stop paying for scientific reports.

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Any how, I personally belive that life without butter SUCKS!!! No one lives forever so why not enjoy what taste the best?

How true !

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/16/2005 9:05:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, those ads come from the milk cartel, not any nutritional or scientific foundation. Of course, the U.S. government has placed itself in a conflict of interest: the Dept. of Agriculture and so on has to support the domestic food industry, while the Food and Drug Administration and so on have to stick to claims with some scientific basis (or at least pretend to). The controversies surrounding the food pyramid are notorious. Who gave us the food pyramid? The U.S. Department of Agriculture--in other words, the people who want you to eat a lot of wheat and cheese.

It's all very confusing, and I agree that there has to be some reform about who is permitted to broadcast messages about food. But ordinary citizens are responsible for their own nutrition. You can't be a five-year-old and complain that some people say this is good for you and other people say this is bad for you. The price for that kind of innocence is a diet that will send you to an early grave and seriously interfere with your enjoyment of life while you're around. You have to learn about the reasons why researchers make the inferences that they do, and draw your own conclusions. But I have no sympathy for the people who dismiss an issue because they aren't given a single authoritative opinion about it. It's the same thing with investing: some people say this is a good investment; some people say that is a good investment. Why don't you hear the same shrill and childish condemnation of financial experts for sending mixed messages about where to invest your money?

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Same with milk. I remember a very old commercial saying "Milk, it does a body good". And the next time I was in America it was "Got milk ?". Maybe the thing that changed between the two was that there had been so many reports saying that adults shouldn't drink milk, that they can't digest it, because they couldn't keep using the health argument ?



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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/16/2005 9:37:50 AM   
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"Milk, it does a body good". And the next time I was in America it was "Got milk ?".


I think the white mustaches on the female models are a good look!

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/16/2005 11:46:04 AM   
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The reports don't change back and forth. The science just keeps getting better


Someone hasn't been watching the news lately or for the past 10 years.

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/16/2005 12:10:26 PM   
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Same with milk. I remember a very old commercial saying "Milk, it does a body good". And the next time I was in America it was "Got milk ?". Maybe the thing that changed between the two was that there had been so many reports saying that adults shouldn't drink milk, that they can't digest it, because they couldn't keep using the health argument ?



Has anyone seen the new milk/dairy commercials? The consensus now is that 3 servings of dairy a day will help you lose weight according to the ad which features deliriously happy women downing yogurt, cheese and milk. Sorry this is off topic from the butter vs. margarine area.

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RE: Butter v. Margarine - 9/16/2005 12:11:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only difference that I notice between the two is that I think that butter tastes yucky and makes me sick (no lactose for this girl)

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