juliaoceania
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Joined: 4/19/2006 From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow Status: offline
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I quoted your speech directly, and your words mirroring the claims of revisionist historians are untrue. The label that comes attached to such words is your responsibility. Please quote where I have stated anything hateful toward Jews. Please state where I have stated anything remotely in a way that would state that I believe Jews are bad people or deserve to be killed or that they are "evil". You are just a hate mongerer in my eyes. You would demonize people because they do not agree with you. The funny thing is that I think all governments have a propensity toward evil, and it is the people that they govern in a democracy that are responsible for the evil that their government does. Now, you state repeatedly that my disagreement with the government of Israel, and their policies makes me anti-Semitic... I think this is complete bullshit. That is like saying because I do not agree with George Bush and the Republican party I am anti-American. Just because I do not like fundamentalists and religious nutjobs does not make me anything but logical. quote:
Now if you want to retract your claim that there were no death squads running killing sprees against Jews in Jerusalem before WWII, say so. Clarify and provide links to substantiate your claims... The problem I have with people who hate monger without providing any sort of documentation for what they say is that it encourages others to take them seriously. quote:
If you want to stop promoting the notion that the problems in the Middle East were all caused by and occured after the founding of Israel, then go ahead and admit that Arabs, Europeans, Christians and Muslims have been waging a campaign of complete genocide against the Jews for well over a hundred years, admit that the Holocaust did occur as recorded in history, and was a significant factor, and that Israel had nothing to do with that, since it didn't even exist. I believe that all the religious nutjobs that would seek to control the region need their wings snipped... whether they be Jews, Christian fundies, or Muslim extremists... my problem with Israel is that they seek to eradicate the people that were living on the soil they seek to control now that they have the larger guns supplied by my tax dollars. Now I also have a problem with Saudis and their treatment of women and support of terrorism that is shored up by petroleum. I also have a big problem with my government using divide and conquer tactics to keep people at each other's throats by arming a small minority to keep in check the larger population... a story that has repeatedly played out during colonial times, and one we still use in the age of globalism. Talking about the Holocaust to justify eradicating the Palestinians as a people with distinct cultural is a red herring in a discussion about what to do today about the issues facing the region. Like I said, a one state solution that honors both cultures, gives universal human rights, is the best way to promote peace. Negative peace never is sustainable... building walls is not sustainable. The only way to build a peace that is lasting is by building connections between people that promote understanding. Please cite one instance where a negative peace was sustained for a long period of time... walls eventually come down. Walls only prolong the animosity, hatred, and misunderstandings between people. Interesting, my position is that people need to communicate, people need to get to know each other, people need rights... yours is to rely on something that happened a couple of generations ago to justify what the Israelis are doing today to people that did not even know the Holocaust was going on, and had nothing to do with it. Interesting indeed
< Message edited by juliaoceania -- 3/1/2008 9:27:15 AM >
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