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Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/19/2008 9:31:45 PM   
ThistleDown


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Status: offline 		I've been looking around and I can't find any information on this subject.
My Master has done this to me once (put nipple clamps on me and flogged me over top of them). It was the most painful thing I've ever felt, I didn't enjoy it at all and the only reason I haven't made it a limit is because of how much he enjoys it but that is with the trust that he won't push my limits on it and won't do it too often. Right now, I have that amount of power in our relationship but we've been talking about stepping it up and I don't feel that I've been able to convince him that I really can't take any more than what he's already done to me (although I suppose it's possible he's just so excited about current discussions that he hasn't confirmed his understanding of what I've told him on the matter -we're both pretty excited. I suppose it's possible I just haven't understood his confirmation as such). In any case, I'm scared of how much it hurt, I'm not a pain slut not even close... barely even a masochist. I have concerns about the safety of this activity. I would feel better about doing this if I knew it wasn't as dangerous as it feels.

Does anyone know if beating breasts with nipple clamps on is ok? What kind of damage do we need to worry about? Answers to questions I haven't thought to ask concerning the safety of this combination are welcome.

Thank you for all the time and energy invested in replying to my questions
~puppy

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/19/2008 11:26:27 PM   
MistresssAria


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Status: offline 		If you really don't enjoy this activity, speak up!  If it feels like it could be dangerous - it probably could be. 
This is a pretty commonly done activity though.
I tend to have male submissives, but I do remember reading something once where female nipples are much more easily permanently damaged & you should never keep tight clamps on for over 15 minutes (or if your nipples turn blue/purple!).  I'm not sure at how true this is, but I would make sure to listen to your body.


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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/20/2008 12:15:30 AM   
ThistleDown


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Status: offline 		I have mentioned it to him and he keeps acknowledging it but following the acknowledgment is a statement about how slaves don't have limits so it will be up to him when I've had too much. I can't tell if he's just trying to get me to trust him with it or if he really doesn't understand that just because a slave might not have a say in what happens to her, doesn't mean her physical limits go away. (I'm not a slave yet but we're talking about it.)... but maybe I'm wrong, maybe those who are really meant to be slaves can learn to adjust their limits to their master's will... seems like a fantasy to me though

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/20/2008 10:40:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not an expert by any means and not sure that I can answer the questions you asked, but I can try to offer some advice. A lot of what is felt during a scene is mental, our minds are our own worst enemies (or best friend, depending on how you look at it). You are clearly scared of this activity and will probably go into it being scared and that could lead to a feeling of panic if things get intense. I would suggest, if you can, try relaxing; know your body will respond differently to pain at different times. All of our tolerence levels change depending on a million factors. Maybe this time it may not hurt as bad, maybe it will. If he is so set on doing this activity, the best advice I could suggest is try to relax your mind and allow your body to see how it reacts... If it is just as painful then maybe it might be something you want to put as a soft limit (if you use soft/hard limits).

If you feel you are not getting through to your Dom/Master, maybe you could write it to him? If he takes the time to read it, some more of the gravity of what you are feeling may come across. You said you are not yet a slave so discuss it with him. Make him sit down and look you in the eye. Treat it the same way you would about making any major descision because your well-being, mentally and physically, is a major thing and don't ever believe it should be secondary to what your Master wants if it will endanger you. A broken toy is not fun to play with  ;)

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/20/2008 10:50:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Listen, until you agree to be a slave (and, imnsho even after that) you may negotiate limits.
It sounds as if you are both fairly new to this.
I suggest doing a lot of research into both this lifestyle, and how to negotiate and maintain boundries
and also into what is safe for your body.

Good luck.

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/20/2008 12:20:12 PM   
ThistleDown


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Status: offline 		OrrisKitten~
Thank you for this suggestion I think this will help. I'm surprised I didn't think of it actually, that's usually how I handle things I'm scared of (needles, doctors, bees... ) anywho. Thank you, I think my Master would thank you too =)

Christina~
I agree with you about the limits. I also think that he should recognize that slaves can have limits too but in his mind, a slave has no limits and that is really the thing that scares me most because I know that even if I agree to be his slave, I will still have at least physical limits.

I think the problem is in the definition of the word limit. To me, a limit is not something that I have any control over. Its something that, if crossed, will cause harm and it's not a choice that I make to be that way. To him, a limit can be anything I just don't want to do.
He wants me to give up my safeword and my limits. I would be ok giving up my safeword if I knew that he were going to acknowledge my limits but he's not showing that to me. We talk about this a lot, communication is not a problem with us. It's coming to a solution that's a problem. Do you have any suggestions on this? It's always been helpful to me to get an outside opinion, do you mind sharing yours on this matter? Especially how you think about limits, that might help me reframe my thoughts to be in a more productive way.

You're right, we're both somewhat new to this lifestyle at least in practice. Do you have any suggestions where I could go to learn more about negotiation and boundaries?
~puppy

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/20/2008 12:34:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmmmm slaves don't have limits...I would say paritally true.
I always worked on that a slave has no limits aside from those the owner places upon him/her.... and following that thought I also think that before a person becomes slave he/she would know enough of their current/potential owner to know where/how those limits would be...

For example.... Lets use animals, i personally have a hard limit as far as animals are concerned, if I went slave to a man I would expect to have the level of communication and trust built up that I would know that he would not ask of me something i could not do, likewise i have a limit about being whored out - I would not belong to a man that wished to whore me... I guess in a way it could be seen as putting restrictions on a relationship but human beings do have restrictions by very nature - each of us have things that we morally could not do or rather would have extreem difficulty in living with ourselves afterwards.

I think its all about communication, and if you dont feel safe/sure then talk talk talk, even if its to ask permission to speak freely and say Master, I know we've talked but i feel as though you are glossing over my reservations on this, I need communication/reassurance.

I was always taught that if i was genuinly unsure or afraid to ask.

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/20/2008 12:53:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think this would be a good question for you to bring up in the general discussion area...(regarding slaves and limits)
Now, personally, my limits are His limits, BUT, I searched carefully and found someone whose thoughts are very close to mine.
AND HoneyMaster loves and respects me enough that He would not push an issue that could potentially damage me either emotionally or physically.
Remind your SO that if he breaks his toys he has nothing to play with.
And of COURSE everyone has limits.
If you didn't have limits you could find yourself playing the lead role in a snuff film...
Or being used as a 'bitch' for other masters' dogs...
I wish I could figure out how to access the 'steel-door' archived articles. Mistress Steel has many well-written articles that are thoughtful, reasonable and that actually take into account that the people 'playing' are REAL people.
Maybe someone else around here can direct you to it.

~Christina

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/20/2008 6:32:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tell him bluntly that as long as you can't trust him to not do things that will make you distrust him, you aren't going to be his slave.

I also am not a masochist. I can only tolerate a couple of clamps. But if he even leans on them while reaching across me to adjust a rope I start screaming in pain. If he kept doing it, then I wouldn't be able to tolerate the clamps at all because I would be too afraid. He's working up to you hard limiting them because of his inability to teach you to tolerate them slowly, and if you do so and he then violates that hard limit, he's really going to lose you.

Personally I would ask him if hitting the clamps one time is worth you walking out on him forever? It sounds as though he needs a wake up call, with a two by four across the head.

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/21/2008 3:05:24 PM   
ThistleDown


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Status: offline 		Eep. I really didn't mean this to be about limits when I started it, I intended to keep that issue between Master and I. I wasn't sure if I'd be able to or not though. In any case, it has been helpful to hear from others on that aspect but we have worked it out now.
My main concern was safety and finding a way to tolerate the activity as it's something he enjoys so much.
If anyone has anything to say to that end I would appreciate hearing from you.

Thank you to everyone else who has posted. :)
~puppy

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/21/2008 3:25:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as it being safe?...yeah I'm thinking it is...Master and I do some pretty serious breat play and its been fine....If you don't like it talk to your master and perhaps you can reach an agreement.

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/25/2008 7:16:42 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		Try other clamps. I can't handle clothespins or tweezer clamps. The only ones he can use on me aren't that tight and they are very wide, getting all of the nipple and most of the areole(sp) also. They're light weight. I can't tolerate anything very tight, with a lot of pressure, sharp teeth or the ones that put all the pressure on a tiny bit of the nipple.

Now if he found ones you could tolerate for a few minutes, and stroked you  to or nearly to orgasm at the same time, you might come to associate them with good things. But the absolute limit safety wise is 15 or 20 minutes. Beyond that you risk the tissue dying, and nobody wants their nipples to have to be cut off in a hospital as the tissue died.

Damage? Well the Mayo clinic doesn't believe breast trauma can cause cancer but they admit the studies are not conclusive. Other damage? Severe repeated caning can cause small bits of scar tissue, which if in the mild glands could interfere with future breast feeding. Something to think about if you haven't finished having offspring.

Generally speaking, he should have learned about this before doing it. Being a demo bottom for someone who doesn't know anything about safety, and isn't interested in learning it is not recommended.

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/25/2008 11:10:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		My Master does this too.  He'll either flog them or flick them or make me jump up and down while wearing clamps so that I bounce them.  (That amuses him).

It hurts like a muthah, but he enjoys it and sometimes he just wants me to feel pain.  You can do some research on damage, but I don't foresee any.  Sometimes he will bind the breasts, then clamp them, THEN flog them.  He's pretty rough on them...I don't anticipate any permanent damage.  Sometimes they'll be sore for days to come, or even really chapped, but they always seem to bounce back. 

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/25/2008 11:21:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		well it can be dangerous if the flogger gets caught on the nipple clamp chains and then get yanked in the heat of the moment.

I'd suggest using a switch instead of a flogger, or something that isn't so...curly and loose.

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/26/2008 2:12:16 AM   
ThistleDown


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Except for this event, I've never worried about the safety. He's pretty careful with me and he keeps reassuring me he wasn't doing any damage (despite how much it hurt) and I trust him to know that, but he may not have known much about the way different kinds of clamps feel different. Also, I wasn't so worried about what he did last time, as I was worried about long term gradual type damage or like Lovearts said, the possibility of the clamps somehow accidentally being yanked (or twisted). And the reason I had been worrying about future events was because I know he likes to push things and I wanted to be prepared ahead of time (although this problem has been dealt with -I still expect some difficulty in complying with this activity but I know at least that I'm safe).

Besides, just because he knows all about the safety doesn't mean I do and he was having a hard time getting it through my thick head that he wasn't actually hurting me. I just needed to hear from other people that had experienced it so I could learn for myself (instead of thinking of all those horror stories there are about nipples getting torn and damaged and such). And also, I was looking for ways to help me cope with the pain and feel more safe about this activity as I'd really rather learn to handle it than ask him never to do it again.
Thank you for your suggestions, I think they may prove helpful. =3


breatheasone~
Yeah.. My primary goal is to come to an agreement or compromise, hopefully one that would be more of a stepping stone than a permanent arrangement.

ownedgirlie~
Wow. Ok... well I'm not worried then. I certainly couldn't handle that much pain, but at least I know that even if it feels like my nipples are suffering the wrath of God Almighty himself... they'll make it through in tact. =P you're brave.

Lovearts~
Good point, that's actually the thing I fear most, is accidentally having them yanked off or twisted in just the wrong way. I hadn't thought about how different kinds of clamps would affect the chances of that.

thanks everyone
~puppy

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/26/2008 7:21:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unless your SO is a medical professional (as mine is) I would make him prove to me that he really did know that this was safe.
I found some articles that I think will be helpful to both of you. These are all from Mistress Steel's archives, and the first link actually leads you to all of her (very well written) articles.
The ones I picked out I think are very good for anyone just beginning to explore bdsm.
good luck to you!

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/26/2008 10:54:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ThistleDown

ownedgirlie~
Wow. Ok... well I'm not worried then. I certainly couldn't handle that much pain, but at least I know that even if it feels like my nipples are suffering the wrath of God Almighty himself... they'll make it through in tact. =P you're brave.


Oh I hear ya about that wrath!!  It's bad, no doubt.  I like the way you worded that. 

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/26/2008 11:39:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ThistleDown

I've been looking around and I can't find any information on this subject.
My Master has done this to me once (put nipple clamps on me and flogged me over top of them). It was the most painful thing I've ever felt, I didn't enjoy it at all and the only reason I haven't made it a limit is because of how much he enjoys it but that is with the trust that he won't push my limits on it and won't do it too often. Right now, I have that amount of power in our relationship but we've been talking about stepping it up and I don't feel that I've been able to convince him that I really can't take any more than what he's already done to me (although I suppose it's possible he's just so excited about current discussions that he hasn't confirmed his understanding of what I've told him on the matter -we're both pretty excited. I suppose it's possible I just haven't understood his confirmation as such). In any case, I'm scared of how much it hurt, I'm not a pain slut not even close... barely even a masochist. I have concerns about the safety of this activity. I would feel better about doing this if I knew it wasn't as dangerous as it feels.

Does anyone know if beating breasts with nipple clamps on is ok? What kind of damage do we need to worry about? Answers to questions I haven't thought to ask concerning the safety of this combination are welcome.

Thank you for all the time and energy invested in replying to my questions
~puppy

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For me pain is hard to take when that's the only feeling I'm experiencing.  If you are turned on sexually when he is doing some of this stuff it might make a very big difference for you.

I can't speak for having my breasts flogged or beaten, but a couple months ago I had my first experience with clover clamps.  It was very early on during the session, and the guy I was with just put me against the wall and stuck them on me without any previous arousal.   It hurt so bad that all I could focus on was the unbearable pain of it. Needless to say they didn't stay on very long and neither one of us enjoyed that little experience.

More recently, I had a very different experience with them.  They were applied to my nipples, after foreplay,  while I was feeling sexually aroused, and the difference was unbelievable.  In the state of arousal, the pain wasn't only bearable but it was actually an enhancement and led to a very intense orgasm.

The point is that pain can be just pain or pain can be pleasurable depending upon the timing and the circumstances etc.  Why not ask your Master to inflict that on you during sexual arousal?  It may actually be both a better experience for him, and something enjoyable for you.

And like the others said, don't leave the clamps on for too long.  A little bit of soreness for a day or two afterwards is normal in my experience, but I would imagine damage could be done if you're being flogged over the clamps for an extended period of time.

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/27/2008 3:42:36 AM   
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http://www.steel-door.com/Consentual.html

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http://www.steel-door.com/Fantasy_vs_Reality.html

http://www.steel-door.com/hard_limits.htm

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RE: Nipple Clambs & Breast Beating - 2/27/2008 11:18:07 AM   
ThistleDown


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Status: offline 		Thank you muchly everyone =3

And thank you, blushes, I'm sure those will be helpful. ^^

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