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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 8:21:01 AM

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And as a side note,you can also make grow beds and fish tanks out of plastic lined wire (heavy welded fencing wire) containers with reenforced marine plywood bottoms, and at about half the cost of the corrugated steel ones.

And as an edited side note-a reenforced greenhouse with fish in deep well tanks is MUCH less vulnerable and attractive to local predatory animals. Deer can't get in to eat the crops, and bugs can also be kept out-if you use airlocks and tight screening. They will produce year round and can use wood fired boilers to warm them, even in winter.

I've seen estimates from growers of about a third of an acre being able to produce about 50,000 dollars worth of produce in a 360 day cycle. Gross, not net.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 9:14:35 AM

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Independent electricity.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 9:21:55 AM

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I love the city; the sights, the noise, the entertainment...I would not willingly give it up for anything.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 9:30:36 AM

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Raising fish takes a lot of electricity to run the filters but solar can help with that. How do you deal with all the ammonia though? As for heating with wood, you need a rather large area to pull wood from and in the long run (I admit, VERY long run) that isn't sustainable because by burning the wood you reduce the nutrient levels in the forest soil.

However, you are right that using technology is great and that the "old ways" are not always best.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 9:38:34 AM

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The beauty of the system is the nitrifying bacteria in the gravel beds. They convert the ammonia into nitrates, which the plants use as fertilzer. The water returns from the beds pretty much free and clean in a balanced system.

As far as wood burning and forestation, there are many trees of chippable grade that grow very fast. Again, we can think outside of the box. Seperated fish waste solids can be run through worm beds, or in methane composting tanks-then used to fertilize the tree crop, replacing the nutrients used up in heating. There are a lot of burn crops that can be cycled in a season or less for fuel.

Chipped wood can be fed into a boiler firebox in much the same way as a pellet stove, and also be used to run electric steam turbines. Waste steam is then used to heat the greenhouses, and returned in a closed loop cycle.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 10:50:35 AM

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Raising fish takes a lot of electricity to run the filters but solar can help with that. How do you deal with all the ammonia though? As for heating with wood, you need a rather large area to pull wood from and in the long run (I admit, VERY long run) that isn't sustainable because by burning the wood you reduce the nutrient levels in the forest soil.

However, you are right that using technology is great and that the "old ways" are not always best.

I don't know if it affects every county in Michigan but in many we are not permitted to cross county lines with wood due to infestation. So if you burn wood for heat you are pretty limited.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 11:06:52 AM

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no-kill shelters are common in cities where people give them money, they aren't as common in rural areas.

This is quite true. And the no-kill shelters, where I lived anyway, have a district and they won't take animals from you if you don't live in that district. And, of course, that district is the city - so people picking up animals dumped in the countryside can't use them.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 12:30:46 PM

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I find it rather sad that people offer more advice for castoff, non-productive pets-resulting from pet owner irresponsibility.............than they do about feeding and caring for people.

It says some very disturbing things about our priorities.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 12:55:24 PM

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I find it rather sad that people offer more advice for castoff, non-productive pets-resulting from pet owner irresponsibility.............than they do about feeding and caring for people.

It says some very disturbing things about our priorities.

Society is judged on how we treat our animals and those less fortunate, it actually makes me feel happier to see how many care for those who can not care for themselves :)

Take it as you like.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 12:57:27 PM

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Money and career.

They can't get a job for the same income, or at the same level. The relationship doesn't work out and two years later she has been out of the field, has no place to live, and her future is seriously diminished.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 12:57:36 PM

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I find it rather sad that people offer more advice for castoff, non-productive pets-resulting from pet owner irresponsibility.............than they do about feeding and caring for people.

It says some very disturbing things about our priorities.

Society is judged on how we treat our animals and those less fortunate, it actually makes me feel happier to see how many care for those who can not care for themselves :)

Take it as you like.

Wolf's denika

We feed our pets and allow our children to starve. Those are pretty fucked up judgements.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 1:31:27 PM

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I find it rather sad that people offer more advice for castoff, non-productive pets-resulting from pet owner irresponsibility.............than they do about feeding and caring for people.

It says some very disturbing things about our priorities.

Is this a thread about feeding and caring for people? Hmm?

Lighten up, just because people care about animals doesn't mean we don't care about people as well. However, it's a great deal easier to care and feed animals than people. People are more complicated. Let's say you've got starving people over in India and we've got an excess of cow here in America... well that won't work! Plus, you can't just care for them - you've got help them get to a point where they can care for themselves. Have you ever tried to get a group of twenty people to agree on exactly how best to do that?

It's a huge debate and nobody on a message board is going to fix the problem but we can effectively give advice on what to do with some stray animals in a particular person's backyard.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 1:35:10 PM

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I find it rather sad that people offer more advice for castoff, non-productive pets-resulting from pet owner irresponsibility.............than they do about feeding and caring for people.

It says some very disturbing things about our priorities.

Is this a thread about feeding and caring for people? Hmm?

Lighten up, just because people care about animals doesn't mean we don't care about people as well. However, it's a great deal easier to care and feed animals than people. People are more complicated. Let's say you've got starving people over in India and we've got an excess of cow here in America... well that won't work! Plus, you can't just care for them - you've got help them get to a point where they can care for themselves. Have you ever tried to get a group of twenty people to agree on exactly how best to do that?

It's a huge debate and nobody on a message board is going to fix the problem but we can effectively give advice on what to do with some stray animals in a particular person's backyard.

Yes, Open a Vietnamese restaurant.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 1:36:15 PM

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Yes, Open a Vietnamese restaurant.

And that's why solving the problem of world hunger won't be done on a message board.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 1:40:22 PM

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I find it rather sad that people offer more advice for castoff, non-productive pets-resulting from pet owner irresponsibility.............than they do about feeding and caring for people.

It says some very disturbing things about our priorities.

Society is judged on how we treat our animals and those less fortunate, it actually makes me feel happier to see how many care for those who can not care for themselves :)

Take it as you like.

Wolf's denika

We feed our pets and allow our children to starve. Those are pretty fucked up judgements.

Not allllllll of us. Out here in the hills of Iowaaa we feed our pets to the kids.......or visa versa. Depends on which is more annoying, the pets or the kids.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 1:58:09 PM

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Money and career.

They can't get a job for the same income, or at the same level. The relationship doesn't work out and two years later she has been out of the field, has no place to live, and her future is seriously diminished.

Assuming she is pursuing a career, I can see that as a legitimate concern.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 2:05:46 PM

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Money and career.

They can't get a job for the same income, or at the same level. The relationship doesn't work out and two years later she has been out of the field, has no place to live, and her future is seriously diminished.

Assuming she is pursuing a career, I can see that as a legitimate concern.

Thank you.

Unless the Dom in question has a thriving business based out in the boonies, and can provide a career and opportunity. Not many women are going to want to toss everything to homestead at a subsistence level with a stranger.

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 2:09:22 PM

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I find it rather sad that people offer more advice for castoff, non-productive pets-resulting from pet owner irresponsibility.............than they do about feeding and caring for people.

It says some very disturbing things about our priorities.

Society is judged on how we treat our animals and those less fortunate, it actually makes me feel happier to see how many care for those who can not care for themselves :)

Take it as you like.

Wolf's denika

We feed our pets and allow our children to starve. Those are pretty fucked up judgements.

Not allllllll of us. Out here in the hills of Iowaaa we feed our pets to the kids.......or visa versa. Depends on which is more annoying, the pets or the kids.

I tend not to be very pc towards "disney america".

When asked, "What do you think of my cat?"

I'm likely to eyeball it coldly and reply, "Looks like you might get a fur hat and a few tacos out of it -if your'e lucky."

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 2:19:46 PM

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Having lived and worked in NEW YOrk CITY for well over 20 years I was very happy to retire and head home to my mountains..I would come home for a WEEKEND AND HAVE TO BE ALL MOST BEATEN TO HEAD BACK TO THE GRIND..We are near several large citys where there is good employment opportunities for those that wish to continue with their professional life's or to attend school..I am very happy and content on my 150 acres of pure heaven,you can take a man out of the country but you can't take the country out of the man..We have a home based business where we work when we want or just screw off if we choose...needless to say very happy with the country lifestyle...bounty

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RE: Country Life vs. City Life - 2/22/2008 3:19:08 PM

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Money and career.

They can't get a job for the same income, or at the same level. The relationship doesn't work out and two years later she has been out of the field, has no place to live, and her future is seriously diminished.

Assuming she is pursuing a career, I can see that as a legitimate concern.

Thank you.

Unless the Dom in question has a thriving business based out in the boonies, and can provide a career and opportunity. Not many women are going to want to toss everything to homestead at a subsistence level with a stranger.

I wouldn't expect anyone would want to live with "a stranger".

And yet many women get to know strangers with the idea that perhaps this stranger may turn out to be that special someone with whom they'll live.

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