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knives? - 2/27/2008 7:11:56 AM   
Dexx


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Status: offline 		 i have been playing with  sharp things since i was a kid so they are no porblem for me, the problem is  my girlfrind wants to start using them on me  and somehow manages to make me bleed with a butter knife. i do not want to make her feel bad  and tell her to get a spoon to learn to us. can somone help me out with a way to help a beginner with knives?(so that there is no bloodsports involed) 
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RE: knives? - 2/27/2008 8:01:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		She must have been looking for gold if she cut you with a butter knife.

I honestly would just sit her down and talk about it. Show her how you play for starters. It can be a little game. It will show her how you like it during play. Have her play on herself. It will also show her what the limits are with different types of knives.

If it hurts her feelings .... oh well I guess.
Better to hurt someones feelings. Then for you to end up in the ER.

I hope that helped ...
I personal love knife play.

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RE: knives? - 2/27/2008 8:45:49 AM   
DaddyKeeper


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Status: offline 		My first foray into knifeplay was with a plastic knife of the kind served with McDonalds breakfasts.

It hurt me rather than her, and even drew blood. I knelt on the damn thing on the bed and broke it, the resulting sharp point went straight into me.

If a plastic knife is too much, try a chopstick, a pen, or this may not be as stupid as it sounds, a very very sharp knife. With a super sharp knife, practiced on chicken breasts first she will have to take a lot more care and learn to control the pressure.

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RE: knives? - 2/27/2008 8:48:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dexx

i have been playing with sharp things since i was a kid so they are no porblem for me, the problem is my girlfrind wants to start using them on me and somehow manages to make me bleed with a butter knife. i do not want to make her feel bad and tell her to get a spoon to learn to us. can somone help me out with a way to help a beginner with knives?(so that there is no bloodsports involed)


Bleed with a butter knife? Damn, boy, you got some thin skin!

Have her turn the knife over and use the spine instead of the blade. That will let her get used to the weight and feel of the knife in her hand, and to learn how to gauge how hard she's pressing.

Also, realize that knives cut when drawn laterally against the flesh. If you just push down vertically on the blade (force directed from spine to blade) you can apply a surprising amount of pressure even with a sharp blade.

Ultimately, she needs to pay close attention. Knives do not make cuts all by themselves. Her hand on the knife means it's her responsibility.

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RE: knives? - 2/27/2008 8:57:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I teach people to use a blade by giving them a very very sharp blade and a balloon that is blown up so tightly it is about to pop .. that is covered with a thin layer of honey and have them shave it off without popping it ... or a thin layer of wax etc ... then go to skin .. but they are less apt to cut with a sharp knife than a dull one as they are more careful

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RE: knives? - 2/27/2008 9:45:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Amazing presser can be put on a sharp blade without cutting, it is that one millimeter side movement that draws blood.


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RE: knives? - 2/28/2008 5:13:27 AM   
Cyis75


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Status: offline 		Well I can't recall a scene where I used my knife that some blood was not let, and I don't actually apply any pressure on the knife as I use it more for tactile sensation than actual cutting. That said I do keep it honed to a razor sharp edge using a diamond sharping rod (can't use a stone because of the curve of the blade) as I was always told a dull knife was more of a danger. Just letting it slide down the skin balancing the hilt of the knife on my index finger is enough to make noticable microcuts.

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RE: knives? - 2/28/2008 5:32:03 PM   
Alumbrado


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Status: offline 		Get the knife that she will be using, and put a layer of masking tape over the edge. Then she can practice tic-tac-toe on your back, pressing just hard enough to make faint lines appear. That way, when she progresses, the feel of that implement will be familiar to her.

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RE: knives? - 2/28/2008 8:48:27 PM   
FangsNfeet


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Status: offline 		Use BUD K knives and cheap Pakistan Steel. They look cool but can't cut roasted butter. In knife play, it's the look and intimidation of the knife that does the job. It only has to look deadly when in actuality does less damage than a spatchula. Knife play is one of those parlor tricks where Presentaion fools you into thinking Dangerous Quality. Another good thing is that these dull blades are still very usefull when removing wax off your body. Give a Bud K or other cheap Pakisan blade a try and you'll see what I mean. If you every want to get cut by one, it'll take some work just to break the skin.

Let me know how it goes.  

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RE: knives? - 3/3/2008 1:31:54 AM   
deliciousmorsel


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Status: offline 		You know, using a diamond honing steel doesn't properly sharpen a knife- it takes off material and the knife seems sharper for a while, but it just really, really screws up your knives! Worst possible thing for them.
They need to go to a professional steel man to get all straightened out again- and then just use a plain steel. The knives don't get dull- the edge gets out of alignment and the honing puts it back straight. And if you can't stone a knife? What good is it? You can't go find the knife man any old time, I know ours travels a bit.
My criteria come from serious cooking, and field dressing game, both requiring some very sharp knives.

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RE: knives? - 3/3/2008 1:51:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ahh you know those hard plastic knives you can get from bud k? They FEEL and LOOK sharp....from my personal experience I have NEVER been cut with one, Thats how I helped a girlfriend of mine learn knife play. The knives are specifically made to be for stealth, and to be hidden from metal detectors. they are used to STAB not CUT. And therefore are PERFECT for learning knife play.

linkage!!!! http://www.selfdefenseproducts.com/nfk.htm

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RE: knives? - 3/13/2008 11:14:04 PM   
MistresssAria


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Status: offline 		I'd invest in a hospital-grade disinfectant to clean areas she cuts you over........not to mention TechniCare to put on your skin beforehand (kills 99% of bacteria with 30-second contact).

You get anal like that after taking a bloodborne pathogens class ;)


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RE: knives? - 3/17/2008 12:49:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		maybe try basic intro to the history of weapons. how and why they were made, and the function of various types. start with the most simple, heavy, metal poky thing, than funnel the topic down to the blades you'll be using. try technics on fruit, tomatos are a fruit, or meat. throwing blades gives an appreciation for weight and balance of the weapons- just phoenix

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RE: knives? - 3/17/2008 12:56:17 PM   
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RE: knives? - 3/17/2008 1:20:07 PM   
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RE: knives? - 3/17/2008 1:59:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Look into training knives, and if you have access to a good grinder, cheap knives that you can grind to penny-round edges. They should be good for getting her used to the feel of metal and the physics of blade-handling.

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RE: knives? - 10/20/2008 2:02:59 PM   
novabunny


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Status: offline 		hhmmm the line out of robin hood springs to mind here... I'll cut your heart out with a spoon... why cousin... cos it'll hurt more

sorry couldn't resist

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RE: knives? - 10/20/2008 5:08:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a fairbairn sykes commando knife that we play with, it looks lethal and is, but only at the tip, the blade on both sides is blunt. It is a myth that a blunt knife is more dangerous than a sharp one, the sharp edge just cuts more efficiently.
I have a massive collection of knives gathered from eighteen years of travelling the world in uniform and I have not yet found one that is not dangerous in the wrong hands. The wrong hands are those that are untrained and inexperienced, you be this girl's guinea pig at your peril. Teach her carefully and make sure she is completely sound,or we may just hear about you at the next darwin awards.
Don't forget the antiseptic and hold the blade in boiling water for a minute or two at least if you want to draw blood.
I have used knives in combat situations and often had to take them off people, as well as being a former slaughterman and butcher and am still a very keen amateur chef. just so you know my history with them.

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RE: knives? - 10/23/2008 6:11:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have her try the knife on herself to get a feel for the pressure, sharpness, etc.  Without a proper feel for any instrument the potential for harm exists.  You can kill a person with a knitting needle if you try hard enough. 

This is an instrument *designed* to cut so she needs to have proper respect for it, and for your safety. 

After she gets a feel for the knife she's going to have to get a feel for it's effect on you.  The sharpness of the blade matters, but so does your skin, it's thickness, texture, elasticity, etc.  If you have rough skin the blade is going to catch more.  If your skin is really elastic it will stretch more without cutting.  For example, I have rough leathery skin.  It's hard to cut, but the blades catch a lot on it.  So a point is going to cut me more often than the edge.  You also have to pay attention to things like scars, stretch marks, moles, and anything that causes an irregularity in skin.  They all respond differently.  If she's scraping the edge and not paying attention you could get a mole taken off, or god knows what.  The blade can catch and skip.  Then you get gouged again.  Short version : he's got to pay attention to your skin, or you'll get hurt.

The shape of the blade matters too.  Flat won't cut as easy as curved.  Curved won't cut as easy as cerrated.  There are also a lot of different edges that can be on the "dull" side of the blade.  Sawback, toothback, flat back, etc.  Each makes for different problems - as a beginner - best to leave them be.  Except flat back, that's pretty safe :))

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RE: knives? - 10/23/2008 7:13:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Imo, anyone proposing to use a knife on someone ought use that knife precisely in the same way on themselves to gain an understanding of control and physiology and to minimize the likelihood of unintended damage. 
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